Uwe Boll Sickens With Auschwitz Movie
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Yeah, that's not right.
Though, maybe we're being too hard on him, who's to say that he won't actually end up treating the subject matter with respect.
He's still not that great of a director, but we probably won't be hearing about his nazi gold in this one... probably.
Though, maybe we're being too hard on him, who's to say that he won't actually end up treating the subject matter with respect.
He's still not that great of a director, but we probably won't be hearing about his nazi gold in this one... probably.
Read my message in it's entirety.Elementlmage said:
As you will notice I mentioned quite clearly that I doubt it was a pleasant enviroment.
As far as six million Jews dying, I increasingly have my doubts about the death toll. The reason being simply that as time goes on we find out that more and more things about the holocaust simply were not true. Remember when those numbers were generated we were also being told that the Nazis were farming flesh from Concentration camp victims to make handicrafts (Lampshades in paticular).
Likewise as I point out, the permanant marking system combined with the fact that there were decent numbers of survivors who had allegedly been there for years, raises questions about the entire "death factory" concept.
The Nazis burning up the corpses after the mass murder, is allegedly why we don't have any bodies.
There WAS a holocaust, we do indeed have photographic evidence of people starved down to virtual skeletons as they were made to work to death for example. That's a truely horrible way to go, and it also explains why there were survivors and why they were tattooing the prisoners and so on. Doubtlessly a lot of people died, but there are enough questions involved where I am no longer sure that six million jews died at Nazi hands.
The point in the context of this discussion is that Uwe Boll's version is pretty much the way these events were recorded in history. You can't tell the story that way without it being graphic and perhaps "tasteless" to a lot of people. That said as more information is uncovered and things are debunked I don't think it was historically accurate. Doing a movie that raises questions about the truth of the matter would probably be more interesting at the moment.
See, there are those who deny The Holocaust ever happened. I do not. I do however believe that the US/Allies propaganda department was working overtime, and things were greatly exagerrated. Rather than freaking out, do some reading on subjects like human flesh lampshades (which were apparently faked), and mobile bone grinders. Also look at the details I mentioned, how did we have survivors, and why were the prisoners being marked in a permanant fashion if they were supposed to have gone from train, to gas chamber, to oven with mechanical precisian. These are all sensible questions even if they upset people (like you apparently).
Genetic Fallacy alert! (look it up)Therumancer said:
They found diesel engines hooked up to shower heads that were used to gas hundreds of people at a time. There are witness reports of mass shootings, gassings and God knows what else. The writing is on the wall; you just have to choose to read it.
This is such a non-story I'm amazed it was even written. Every one is acting like Uwe Boll hasn't tackeled serious before [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0279037/]. Whilst I havn't seen either of these films, he has done this kind of film before and apparently they are better than his video game films.
Keep it friendly.Elementlmage said:
They claim they found these things, however at the same time they also showed that they had lampshades made out of human skin, and they were proven to have been faked. That's what a propaganda department does during wartime.
We (the allies) were also involved in mass shootings, especially when fighting the Volkssturm as well, which is another point I bring up though more or less irrelevent.
There is no doubt that the Nazis killed a lot of Jews, however there is doubt on both the numbers and the methods used.
I'd agree with you, except for the fact that survivors of the concentration camps, permanant marking of the prisoners, and so on have all been physically verified to the public. We also know from testing of the lampshades and so on that allied propaganda was going to extreme lengths to exagerrate the atrocities being committed by the Nazis, which is a good strategy when your looking to annihilate them and their way of thinking entirely.
The thing is that for the reports your talking about you pretty much have to take the word of a group of known liars who were fabricating information.
The thing is that your meant to "read the writing on the wall" which is what they intended. On the other hand with what I'm talking about there is no need for that, it's right there.
I can understand why your not happy with what I'm saying, especially seeing as some people take it a lot further than I do, to the point of saying that the entire Holocaust was a fabrication (which it was not). While a lot of Jews were killed, it's doubtful if the
numbers were as high as reported, and you can tell by the survivors that the details of how they were going about killing people in these camps are not accurate because if they were true there would be no need for markings, and no survivors at all.
Erm, if Quentin Tarantino is perfectly allowed to do a movie like Inglorious Basterds, then I have no problem with Uwe Boll doing a movie about nazi concentration camps.
Besides, all was forgiven the day I saw "Postal: The Movie". It made me laugh. XD
Besides, all was forgiven the day I saw "Postal: The Movie". It made me laugh. XD
how is this guy still able to make movies?!
someone should really be revoking this guy his fucking licence!
someone should really be revoking this guy his fucking licence!
...I guess Boll hasn't heard of a little thing called "subtlety".
I really want to give Uwe Boll a chance with this, I really do. But with Boll's track record with his movies, I just can't. Take a bad director of video game movies and put him with a movie about the Holocaust? Silly, fun video games (that Boll's directed) =/= Serious historical piece. It'd be like if Speilberg made a comedy right after Shindler's List, he's not that type of director.
I really want to give Uwe Boll a chance with this, I really do. But with Boll's track record with his movies, I just can't. Take a bad director of video game movies and put him with a movie about the Holocaust? Silly, fun video games (that Boll's directed) =/= Serious historical piece. It'd be like if Speilberg made a comedy right after Shindler's List, he's not that type of director.
Depressingly, that sounds kinda like a cool movie.Raziel Star said:
OT, the guy does seem to have a better handle on film-making when it's not video game related. I'm willing to wait and see on this, but I have little doubt the end result will be... squicky.
It is amazing that a handful of filmmakers out there can continue to bolster support for their projects when they rarely earn notable returns on investment. Go figure, eh?
All of you saying this guy needs to be shot or killed are pathetic.
No matter how bad someone is as a film-maker, you should be defending their right to express themselves, no matter how much you disagree with them,or else you're no better than a horrible censor from some dictatorship.
I remember noting when Inglourious Basterds came out that it was only a matter of time before Uwe Boll made a WW2 film but instead of going for a garishly exploitative film like Tarantino's 'Inglourios', he at least seems to be trying to make a serious film.
I've seen most of Boll's stuff. His game to film adaptations are utter, utter tosh but his other stuff, such as Stoic and Rampage, aren't the abominations the internet nerds who haven't even seen them would have you believe.
There's no way in hell ANYONE, be they Jew or gentile, German or American, would fund a film that made light of the Holocaust.
A lot of people need to calm down here and wait for the film to come out.
If it was called something like 'Murder Them Jews-A Uwe Boll Film', I could understand but nothing so far has led me to believe that this won't at least attempt a serious tone.
Maybe you've already decided this is going to be the worst film ever made.
DON'T SEE IT THEN.
No matter how bad someone is as a film-maker, you should be defending their right to express themselves, no matter how much you disagree with them,or else you're no better than a horrible censor from some dictatorship.
I remember noting when Inglourious Basterds came out that it was only a matter of time before Uwe Boll made a WW2 film but instead of going for a garishly exploitative film like Tarantino's 'Inglourios', he at least seems to be trying to make a serious film.
I've seen most of Boll's stuff. His game to film adaptations are utter, utter tosh but his other stuff, such as Stoic and Rampage, aren't the abominations the internet nerds who haven't even seen them would have you believe.
There's no way in hell ANYONE, be they Jew or gentile, German or American, would fund a film that made light of the Holocaust.
A lot of people need to calm down here and wait for the film to come out.
If it was called something like 'Murder Them Jews-A Uwe Boll Film', I could understand but nothing so far has led me to believe that this won't at least attempt a serious tone.
Maybe you've already decided this is going to be the worst film ever made.
DON'T SEE IT THEN.
What about if I download it, then can I watch it just to further my hatred of Doctor Boll?Monkfish Acc. said:
Also, may I remind everyone, his most recent film Rampage is...
...Good.
The haters appear to have the misconception that movie violence is always intended to be mindless entertainment, and therefore that anyone who can sit through it must enjoy it. Either that or the idea of Uwe Boll making any film, regardless of subject matter, is an atrocity.
The clip looks poignant and well done. A new holocaust film would be well-timed and, dare I say it, important, what with all the hate against Muslims going on at the moment.
But knowing what Boll is like, he will find a way to fuck it up.
The clip looks poignant and well done. A new holocaust film would be well-timed and, dare I say it, important, what with all the hate against Muslims going on at the moment.
But knowing what Boll is like, he will find a way to fuck it up.