Uwe Boll Sickens With Auschwitz Movie
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Okay, I am not exaggerating when I say I am actually the biggest prick and most unlikeable person I know, but everyone who ever meets me does not immediately lable me an incorrigable fuckhead.KimberlyGoreHound said:
Assholes can be polite and seem decent enough. They're not always going around kicking puppies or whatever.
But hey, if that's your judgement, then fine. I just think, based on all the information I have on him, that he's a narcissistic, yellow, knuckle-dragging tosser.
Maybe if I knew the guy personally, I'd have a different opinion. But I don't.
I think he might be at home here, it seems pissing people off is his forte and nothing makes you remember like someone angering you.
GAH! DAMN YOU AND YOUR F*CKING TVTROPES! Now I'm trapped!Hardcore_gamer said:
OT: This could go three ways
1. Makes a decent film portraying the horror of the camps. Boll makes a credible name for himself
2. Uses the genocide of European Jews as fuel for a gimmicky Shock-Gore-Horror film and tries to cover it over with false sincerity and sombreness. Boll is hated for life by everyone.
3. Tries to make a serious film, but is so terrible that it insults audiences simply with its hack-handedness. Boll is shamed and a laughing stock
Well, I think that people's personal hatred for Uwe Boll are getting in the way of this. The movie seems to be doing a fair job of covering the popular version of what German concentration camps were like according to propaganda.
Understand that I am one of those people who believes that propaganda is nessicary during war, but after the fact remembering things correctly is important if you are going to learn the nessicary lessons.
I am not anti-semitic, or a holocaust denier, but I am one of those who will point out that things like Human Flesh Lampshades, Mobile Bone Grinders, and other Nazi contrievances were lies. Search and you'll find numerous examples of this.
What's more I believe the Concentration Camps were greatly exagerrated. Not as much as deniers who claim that the Nazis simply relocated Jews (impossible since getting rid of the Jews was one of their big selling points in getting countries like Romania on their side), but still nothing like the popular version.
One of the big pieces of common knowlege that people tend to know, but rarely put together in their mind, is that there were TONS of concentration camp survivors. Jewish guys running around with tattoos as evidence they were in some camp or another and allegedly how these stories got out. If these places were murder factories where Jews were unloaded from trains, stripped, told to gather in a room for a group shower, gasses, bodily looted (to recover false teeth and such and not waste anything) and burned, there would have been no survivors, or a need for a permanant/semi-permanant marking system to begin with.
What's more one of the pieces of verifiable information on Auschwitz was a sign saying "Work Will Set You Free", by all verifiable accounts it was a series of work camps. Oh, cruel and inhumane ones where people died frequently, but work camps just the same. This also matches the permanant marking and what a lot of the Nazis claimed before they had their arms twisted. Not to mention the philsophy of social vengeance which was taking place due to an elite of corrupt Jewish organized criminals, loan sharks, and property owners who themselves had a "master race" doctrine. What started with vigilante activity on most levels went way overboard when they decided to deal with Jews in general including a lot of innocent people. The idea seemed to be that the payback was to get the rich, greedy, sedimentary Jew to do "real work" like the people they exploited... of course those people really weren't the majority.
The reason why I point this out is not because I believe the Nazis were great guys, or not really evil, or any kind of anti-semitic agenda. Simply because I believe that by portraying the Nazis as demonic-level evil on the level of comic book villains it prevents us from learning from the mistakes involved there and recognizing it when similar things also take place. Portraying the US and it's allies as some kind of force of pure, liberating, good guys is also a bad idea because it causes people to lose touch with what real war is like.
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On a side note, The Palestinians are a conquered people after the "Age of Conquest" more or less ended. Needless to say they aren't happy about it. Isreal is at war with the remnants of Palestine, and real wars are not pretty. In the end the big question comes down to whether or not you believe Isreal has a right to exist. Personally, I think it does, and support our desician to create it. I also feel it's an ally despite some tensions and should see more support from the US as a whole.
It's also important to note that comparing the Isreali treatment of Palestinians to the Holocaust is ridiculous. For one, while prior to World War II Jews were heavily involved in organized crime and all kinds of underhanded things, or at least the elite was, all "gods chosen people" doctrine aside they were not engaged in any kind of large scale cultural warfare. Jews did not blow up buildings, commit acts of terrorism, and so on. What violence was involved was more akin to the Mafia and involved people in loan sharking syndicates, property scams, organized thievery, black market activity and similar things. There was no state of War involved, the Palestinians are quite vocal about their violent intentions and engage in large scale rallies on the subject with some frequency even if it's not reported by the media as much as it probably should be.
What's more the Isrealis are not rounding up the Palestinians as an entire group, and then forcing them into camps on the level of the Nazis. You don't have what amounts to Isreali run slave labour, which is fundementally what I think the concentration camps were.
Oh sure, there is a lot of war and violence, but to be entirely honest nobody has their hands entirely clean. Any of the nations, especially the big ones, got there through genocide and conquest at some point, even if it was during "The Dark Ages". People just like to pick on the newer countries like Isreal and the US.
That said, you can't pick on Uwe Boll simply by that trailer, I mean that is what they teach you happened in school and a lot of museums and such. It's a pretty accurate visual representation. He might not be the best film maker out there in my opinion, but he seems to have done things right so far.
What's more given the existance of movies like "Ilsa, She Wolf Of The S.S." which was loosely based on the *stories* of a real person named Ilsa Kochs (who was incidently never convicted of any crimes IRL despite likely having been a piece of human waste) I don't think anyone can seriously complain about irreverant treatment of the matter. The above movie was a soft core comedy, that could be called "Torture Porn" before the term ever existed. It involves things like her giving a superior officer a tour of her facilities, where she is boiling Jewish girls to death to experiment with their levels of pain endurance or whatever, and while offended he (literally) gives her the go ahead as long as she agrees to pee in his face (which she does)... I am not kidding.
Understand that I am one of those people who believes that propaganda is nessicary during war, but after the fact remembering things correctly is important if you are going to learn the nessicary lessons.
I am not anti-semitic, or a holocaust denier, but I am one of those who will point out that things like Human Flesh Lampshades, Mobile Bone Grinders, and other Nazi contrievances were lies. Search and you'll find numerous examples of this.
What's more I believe the Concentration Camps were greatly exagerrated. Not as much as deniers who claim that the Nazis simply relocated Jews (impossible since getting rid of the Jews was one of their big selling points in getting countries like Romania on their side), but still nothing like the popular version.
One of the big pieces of common knowlege that people tend to know, but rarely put together in their mind, is that there were TONS of concentration camp survivors. Jewish guys running around with tattoos as evidence they were in some camp or another and allegedly how these stories got out. If these places were murder factories where Jews were unloaded from trains, stripped, told to gather in a room for a group shower, gasses, bodily looted (to recover false teeth and such and not waste anything) and burned, there would have been no survivors, or a need for a permanant/semi-permanant marking system to begin with.
What's more one of the pieces of verifiable information on Auschwitz was a sign saying "Work Will Set You Free", by all verifiable accounts it was a series of work camps. Oh, cruel and inhumane ones where people died frequently, but work camps just the same. This also matches the permanant marking and what a lot of the Nazis claimed before they had their arms twisted. Not to mention the philsophy of social vengeance which was taking place due to an elite of corrupt Jewish organized criminals, loan sharks, and property owners who themselves had a "master race" doctrine. What started with vigilante activity on most levels went way overboard when they decided to deal with Jews in general including a lot of innocent people. The idea seemed to be that the payback was to get the rich, greedy, sedimentary Jew to do "real work" like the people they exploited... of course those people really weren't the majority.
The reason why I point this out is not because I believe the Nazis were great guys, or not really evil, or any kind of anti-semitic agenda. Simply because I believe that by portraying the Nazis as demonic-level evil on the level of comic book villains it prevents us from learning from the mistakes involved there and recognizing it when similar things also take place. Portraying the US and it's allies as some kind of force of pure, liberating, good guys is also a bad idea because it causes people to lose touch with what real war is like.
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On a side note, The Palestinians are a conquered people after the "Age of Conquest" more or less ended. Needless to say they aren't happy about it. Isreal is at war with the remnants of Palestine, and real wars are not pretty. In the end the big question comes down to whether or not you believe Isreal has a right to exist. Personally, I think it does, and support our desician to create it. I also feel it's an ally despite some tensions and should see more support from the US as a whole.
It's also important to note that comparing the Isreali treatment of Palestinians to the Holocaust is ridiculous. For one, while prior to World War II Jews were heavily involved in organized crime and all kinds of underhanded things, or at least the elite was, all "gods chosen people" doctrine aside they were not engaged in any kind of large scale cultural warfare. Jews did not blow up buildings, commit acts of terrorism, and so on. What violence was involved was more akin to the Mafia and involved people in loan sharking syndicates, property scams, organized thievery, black market activity and similar things. There was no state of War involved, the Palestinians are quite vocal about their violent intentions and engage in large scale rallies on the subject with some frequency even if it's not reported by the media as much as it probably should be.
What's more the Isrealis are not rounding up the Palestinians as an entire group, and then forcing them into camps on the level of the Nazis. You don't have what amounts to Isreali run slave labour, which is fundementally what I think the concentration camps were.
Oh sure, there is a lot of war and violence, but to be entirely honest nobody has their hands entirely clean. Any of the nations, especially the big ones, got there through genocide and conquest at some point, even if it was during "The Dark Ages". People just like to pick on the newer countries like Isreal and the US.
That said, you can't pick on Uwe Boll simply by that trailer, I mean that is what they teach you happened in school and a lot of museums and such. It's a pretty accurate visual representation. He might not be the best film maker out there in my opinion, but he seems to have done things right so far.
What's more given the existance of movies like "Ilsa, She Wolf Of The S.S." which was loosely based on the *stories* of a real person named Ilsa Kochs (who was incidently never convicted of any crimes IRL despite likely having been a piece of human waste) I don't think anyone can seriously complain about irreverant treatment of the matter. The above movie was a soft core comedy, that could be called "Torture Porn" before the term ever existed. It involves things like her giving a superior officer a tour of her facilities, where she is boiling Jewish girls to death to experiment with their levels of pain endurance or whatever, and while offended he (literally) gives her the go ahead as long as she agrees to pee in his face (which she does)... I am not kidding.
Oddly, it looks like it could be a disturbingly gritty, realistic take on life in the camps.
Of course, Boll being Boll, I'm sure it'll either be a schlock-fest like Saw 6, or just generally crap. But in the hands of someone good, a movie like this wouldn't be a bad thing.
Of course, Boll being Boll, I'm sure it'll either be a schlock-fest like Saw 6, or just generally crap. But in the hands of someone good, a movie like this wouldn't be a bad thing.
He actually is quite the asshole... Any reviewer that publicly hated his movies he would challenge them to a boxing match and beat the shit out of them. When a very muscular reviewer stepped forward he pussied out, showing that he is a stupid douche-nozzle.Eleima said:
And that, I think, is what most people here want to see happen. We should be egging him on to make this instead of calling for a lynch mob. (Because if this movie is as bad as some people expect it to be, the lynch mob will happen without our help. Heh.)BrunDeign said:
This is your argument and I don't get it. Please, explain me seriously, why is his nationality a big deal? Why do you call this film torture porn? Why do you bring up Hostel as a comparison while Hostel is a fictious, tame film enjoying to call itself horror and this one is based on true, really horrific events?ANImaniac89 said:
I'm not trying to defend this film but I also refuse to condemn it beforehand for whatever reasons there could be. That's more than stupid, especially if you cannot give reasons for doing that.
Boll has the distinction of having made a film so bad that I got a headache trying to MST3K it, and had to give up (House of the Dead). I sat through the remainder with jaw agape, head throbbing, wondering why the hell I was doing this to myself.
His other flicks have all hovered over the same puddle of lameness, and are mostly unwatchable, though I do think HotD takes home the Shit Prize for Worst Movie Ever (and when do I ever swear on a forum otherwise?).
I have no problem with a modern German director making a film about Auschwitz, per se. But Boll is an ass, a jerk, a horrible director with exploitative tastes, and from what I have read and seen, a mean-spirited guy, so it's nigh impossible to trust him at all with the subject matter.
His other flicks have all hovered over the same puddle of lameness, and are mostly unwatchable, though I do think HotD takes home the Shit Prize for Worst Movie Ever (and when do I ever swear on a forum otherwise?).
I have no problem with a modern German director making a film about Auschwitz, per se. But Boll is an ass, a jerk, a horrible director with exploitative tastes, and from what I have read and seen, a mean-spirited guy, so it's nigh impossible to trust him at all with the subject matter.
Well, technically he'd be the second biggest. "A Serbian Film" shows a newborn child being raped. Yep, that movie is sick as fuck.Icecoldcynic said:
Why does this man still have a job?
He obviously can not direct, a bucket of warm hamster vomit can do better.
But what will he tell us in story? Nothing we don't already know over and over. It will be lame cgi burning to death, starving people, probably a lot of rape scenes....
He will not teach us the errors of the past, or the good old we should never forget lesson, it will be as note worthy as lame man sized fish with big teeth in 3d...just as gory graphic and offensive, not in the content of a death camp but in the destroying of history with his bad direction, cheap thrills and tits and bad, bad direction.
He obviously can not direct, a bucket of warm hamster vomit can do better.
But what will he tell us in story? Nothing we don't already know over and over. It will be lame cgi burning to death, starving people, probably a lot of rape scenes....
He will not teach us the errors of the past, or the good old we should never forget lesson, it will be as note worthy as lame man sized fish with big teeth in 3d...just as gory graphic and offensive, not in the content of a death camp but in the destroying of history with his bad direction, cheap thrills and tits and bad, bad direction.
More than 65 years after the Holocaust, the Germans are still conducting atrocity on the Jews.
Apparently, the real Auschwitz wasn't enough.
Apparently, the real Auschwitz wasn't enough.
SIX MILLION Jews alone died! What the hell are we supposed to think it was like, fucking Disney Land?Therumancer said:
Eh, Uwe Boll is kind of old news now, since he's been improving as a director and is no longer the hilarious hack he once was. He's now just an unremarkable director living off his name, and I doubt this movie will be that bad. It won't be good, and I won't be watching it, but I don't think it'll make any waves.