Valve Discusses Charging Customers Based on Popularity

[Thoric485]

I don't think there will be higher prices for "bad players", i doubt that's even legal. They'll just have to pay the standart price.

On the other hand, rewarding active community members (like with the Polycount Pack) - that's pretty damn awesome, and i'm fully behind it.

 

[Partezan]

I hope people do the right thing and instead of becoming little bitches to a company trying to control their behavior, tell the to nicely fuck off

 

[JWAN]

Hey. I have a better idea.

Make a mute button that we can get to in under 2 seconds.

what stops the trolls from reporting you and fucking you over?
Why is everyone so sensitive over video games?
Isn't it just easier to put in a mute button?
Wouldn't it be easier to take off auto talk and just leave "push to talk" so people cant spam their mic's?
Why is the sky blue?
Why is the grass green?
Who was "Rosebud"?

Any you know what gabe? I own the Orange box, I play all the games on it. I enjoy them greatly but in my opinion you need to stop smoking the wacky tabacci

 

[Sofus]

VAC (VALVe Anti-Customer)?

I have always held steam in high regards, but if the program ever starts to feel more like a chain than a service, I will instantly revert back to using retailers. That and I might aswell pick up piracy (only VALVe games) if they ever did flag me as a "bad" customer.

Most publishers/developers already presume that every single customer is a potential pirate.
Don't fight the system I say. Once a criminal, always a criminal. So get out there and pirate those games.

 

[JWAN]

I don't think there will be higher prices for "bad players", i doubt that's even legal. They'll just have to pay the standard price.

I also have issues with its legality. Just because someone is a ***** doesn't mean you can treat them differently in these scenarios.

even though they deserve it.

besides this sounds WAY to easy to abuse.

 

[Mad1Cow]

I find this flawed unless it's clearly moderated by certain professional people. This sounds a bit like a popularity contest and while I'm certainly not a troll, people wouldn't go out of their way to say I'm a popular person.

Also, take WoW. A lot of people get annoyed with people who are just asking for help. Sure, they can look it up, but what if say it's someone like my mother who wanted to give it a go and didn't know places like wowhead could exist? People would be saying she's annoying or pulling her down because she doesn't know any better...does this mean she has to pay more because the majority are against her?

 

[matt87_50]

"The industry has this broken model, which is one price for everyone"

hey now, thats not true!

they have one price for everyone else, and then another price for Australians! THATS LIKE TWICE AS MUCH!!!

 

[tahrey]

Oh god, I loled. Gabe is a hilarious troll it would seem.

 

[loogie]

I wonder if it will be open to discrimination lawsuits.

Monetarily rewarding popularity is not an idea I can get behind.

Rewarding those who take effort to improve a game is a great idea. Penalizing the unpopular (even trolls) just seems awful.

Well said. That's pretty much my point. Gamers are notoriously short tempered, vindictive and VERY sore losers. The problem is that people aren't equal, there are good players and bad players (skill wise). Most games make no effort in grouping you with similarly skilled people (and those that do usually suck at it)... So there will be uneven teams and games where one person can destroy a whole team because they are just.. well.. good... doesn't mean they're a bad person, or mean, or anything... but I would garantee that the losers will do whatever they can to try to punnish the good player.. If theres a "report cheating" button they will press it, even with little-to-no proof of such, just because they feel it's impossible for them to lose so badly. it has happened to me multiple times, and giving them the option to make you pay more money to play would be something they would do, as often as they could.

The system that would work out much better would be a reward system based on community involvement... If you were to get bonuses for helping people, or allow users to "thank" another user, giving them points toward something it would work much better...

Like the latest Extra Credits video stated... Rewarding is much more beneficial than penalizing... if you give someone the option to reward a player it will have a similar effect, but without the ability to make things worse it would remove the "for revenge" option.

 

[loogie]

I find this flawed unless it's clearly moderated by certain professional people. This sounds a bit like a popularity contest and while I'm certainly not a troll, people wouldn't go out of their way to say I'm a popular person.

Also, take WoW. A lot of people get annoyed with people who are just asking for help. Sure, they can look it up, but what if say it's someone like my mother who wanted to give it a go and didn't know places like wowhead could exist? People would be saying she's annoying or pulling her down because she doesn't know any better...does this mean she has to pay more because the majority are against her?

I agree, while the idea of popularity WOULD hurt the bad players, it's going to hurt players who just aren't popular as well...

There should be no punnishment at all, the system would work, except that instead of punnishing the bad people, you can paise the good people... that way your not screwing over the people who just want to play the game and aren't interested in helping out every noob that comes their way, but for those who want to take the time to help people out, they can be rewarded for their efforts.. but again, this isn't going to solve the whole concept on crap players who just cause problems... a system of this style would be almost impossible to implement, but i do think they key to making a fair system would be to reward and not punnish.

 

[loogie]

hmm, even concept on helping yourself as much as everyone else.. take a match based multiplayer game.. what if at the end of each match, you have the option to say the game was a "good game" this would award all players of the match points for a great game.. it would benefit everyone, even the voter.. those who would abuse the system would simply be voting the match great every game.. it wouldn't be as significant a detriment as being able to focus on one person and call them a cheater or a jerk....

 

[Mecandes]

It would be interesting to see how this idea would stand up in court, because you know that's where it'll land.

Sometimes things can be beyond the player's control: for example, on Xbox Live, I received several "Quit Early" negative player reviews in the first day or so of playing Halo 3 -- I wasn't quitting early, it was just that the network was having trouble under the intense load and the connection was getting dropped. Others assumed that I had quit, and they gave me bad reviews for it. If this had happened under Valve's brilliant plan, I'd also be paying more for games due to something beyond my control. Nice.

 

[saruman31]

Right...as if Dota2 will ever have a good community. A game`s price tag shouldn`t be a popularity contest and motivating people with money to be nice is low.

 

[Lukeydoodly]

What a dumb idea.

It is Valve though, so people will like it.

 

[flaviok79]

I would really like to sse that in effect in Xbox Live. It's really annoying to receive a grenade or a shot from a teammate just because you got the vehicle or weapon they wanted. YOu may not get killed and so can´t bane the SoBs, but you get weak enough to be killed in a second by an enemy player. I support Valve's suggestion and would like it to be a staple for the industry.

 

[Adultism]

Yeah, "Great Idea" I hated what he said about jerks having to pay an extra 100$ for mic, I'm a huge ass and I cuss out everyone on TF2 who pisses me off. So this kind of thing would make me super angry, I'd probably end up quitting TF2 if he made charges like this, or raised the price for a new game by valve if you are a rude person. Like 100$ for a game if you are a jerk instead of 49$ seems like a crap idea too me.

I am also reading a lot of a comments and I see its mixed.

So what someone team killed you? Its just a game

Thats the thing here, Its JUST A GAME. We shouldn't be punished for being a jerk on a game, Almost everyone is rude on the internet because they know nothing bad can happen. This is WHY we have a BANNING system, so charging people shitloads of money for a game just because they are rude will probably piss off a lot of gamers.

I can't even state how bad of an idea, there are just so many reasons, but you know Gabe, once he gets an idea in his head hes going to stick with it

So now I'm going to have to pay 200$ for episode three.

I also WOULD support the idea if it helped the good players

Hell yeah power to them, Sometimes I like hanging out with nice players, they put me in my place and keep me chilled out, so yeah if they were rewarded for being good players it would be cool, but he wants to punish the bad players.

SO TL;DR

So this is my overall opinion, Give discounts and free items / games to players who are helpful / nice or get nice reviews. People with bad reviews don't get any discounts but at the same time they don't get charged more money for a game just because they are an asshat.

 

[[zonking great]]

This doesn't work. How can you do this in a system where others can troll you with bad ratings? Holy bad idea, Newellman!

 

[Mxrz]

Welp, I guess I'm done with Valve. You'd think every player review system ever being abused out the ass would caught their eye, but oh well.

Unless he was just trolling the interviewer or something.

 

[bram961]

i think this is quite an interesting way of selling games but wouldnt it be better to have like if a player is good to the community has in the case of steam a good vac record and works alot with steam taking it to good use and not making other people get offended then they get a bonus like sale on games and stuff

but if the player breaks vac record things doesnt use steam at all makes other people offended then they have to pay full price

what i mean is that i dont like the popularity thing in it
i dont want to have to get 10 people to join into the server im playing to get sale i want to get sale by being a nice guy in the community and another reason why i dont like the popularity thing is because we have this option called singleplayer its somthing many people use and they dont get to have other people joining their game

*yay sarcasm on people not knowing while evrybody does *

 

[Cid Silverwing]

NO!

NO!!

NO!!!

Why they are even considering this is an affront to all sanity.