Valve Fans Form Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Group

[jymbobjones]

I'm sure the majority of complaints come purely because content was promised, this without a doubt convinced a considerable amount of people to purchase Left 4 Dead 1

EDIT: Yes I know there are other reasons, please don't flame me fanboys.

well wat the fanboy twats didnt listen to is that this is a content update basically but it was to difficult to just put in a patch so they decided screw it we will remake this game but update both .... and yes u fanboy fuckers heard THERE DOING FUCKEN UPDATES FOR BOTH stupid fucken children i mean it sometimes it just gets to the point were i think that any 1 below the age of 20 shouldnt be aloud on games

You obviously seem far more mature than anyone who has a legitimate complaint with the game. Did you ever think that possibly it was "difficult to patch" because their dev team was spending all their time developing a new game? Did you ever think maybe it wasn't difficult to patch, maybe it just wasn't as profitable? What am I saying, of course you did, you're vastly more intelligent than any of the 23,000 members in the boycott group. Kudos to you good sir.

didnt say im smarter i said that they didnt fucken read the valve plan because valve arent releasing this game for a while still they just wanted to give ppl summing to look forward to but sum wankers are to fucken thick to wait till valve has explained themselves oh and mate there dev team wasnt working on a new game they wer working on dlc but it became to big to be dlc so they made it a whole new game so dont try and get so self righteous dipshit

 

[Crash486]

I'm sure the majority of complaints come purely because content was promised, this without a doubt convinced a considerable amount of people to purchase Left 4 Dead 1

EDIT: Yes I know there are other reasons, please don't flame me fanboys.

well wat the fanboy twats didnt listen to is that this is a content update basically but it was to difficult to just put in a patch so they decided screw it we will remake this game but update both .... and yes u fanboy fuckers heard THERE DOING FUCKEN UPDATES FOR BOTH stupid fucken children i mean it sometimes it just gets to the point were i think that any 1 below the age of 20 shouldnt be aloud on games

You obviously seem far more mature than anyone who has a legitimate complaint with the game. Did you ever think that possibly it was "difficult to patch" because their dev team was spending all their time developing a new game? Did you ever think maybe it wasn't difficult to patch, maybe it just wasn't as profitable? What am I saying, of course you did, you're vastly more intelligent than any of the 23,000 members in the boycott group. Kudos to you good sir.

didnt say im smarter i said that they didnt fucken read the valve plan because valve arent releasing this game for a while still they just wanted to give ppl summing to look forward to but sum wankers are to fucken thick to wait till valve has explained themselves oh and mate there dev team wasnt working on a new game they wer working on dlc but it became to big to be dlc so they made it a whole new game so dont try and get so self righteous dipshit

Actually its coming out this fall, that's exactly 1 year after the previous release. 1 year is a very short shelf-life for a game. Also "they started working on DLC and it became too big... so they made a whole new game?" Do you understand how retarded that sounds? First of all, I'm thinking you haven't read anything yourself. If you had, you'd have seen that L4D2 is on a new engine entirely, so no it was never intended to be DLC. It's a new engine, which means new game from the ground up, and yes in order for it to be coming out this fall they absolutely have been working on it since they released L4D. This also explains the large delays in between patches. And, why are they doing this instead of releasing DLC for L4D? Because its more profitable to charge another 50$ for a new game while the franchise is still popular, not because they care about you so much they wanted to give you a whole new game. It's pretty much the same game, on a different engine, with melee weapons. If that equates to a 50$ pricetag to you, then... you're pretty bad with money.

So what does a "boycott" actually do, is it anything legal (or to do with the legal system) or is it just a group of QQers, whiner babies and whingers?

It's a group of gamers who refuse to purchase L4D2 until their complaints are addressed. 23,717 gamers and growing to be exact.

L4D sold 2.5 MILLION copies (excluding Steam sales). 24,000 people compared to those sales isn't even 1% of the number of people who bought the first game.

In statistics, we'd call that "insignificant".

It's not insignificant at all when you factor in the exponential growth rate. The group has only been around for 9 days and its now up to 24,735 members, x(t)=ae^kt. This is why statistics is a useless math they teach to business majors and highschool drop outs. You should take some real math like calculus or differential equations.

 

[Bhuggy]

I'm so joining! The game hasn't been out for long and they're already making a new one? and atm it doesn't look any better/different.

 

[Jumplion]

You know, people say that VALVe is "making updates for L4D1" and "They're not abandoning L4D1, look!" and proceed to show an article with an executive from VALVe saying "Yeah, yeah, we're not abandoning L4D1!" and then that's it.

You know what? Show me. VALVe talks the talk very well and they walk the walk even better, but I haven't seen the talk and walk. Where is this mythical "updates" for the original L4D? I'm genuinely asking, I don't want another article with a guy saying "Yeah, we're still committed to the original L4D!", no, I want the actual details as to what exactly they're going to do with the content for the original L4D.

Screw "promises" that have no actual weight, just give me some tangible evidence of this "supportive content" for L4D1.

 

[jymbobjones]

u know wat i give up that is just 23.000 retards that wont be on the game bitching and it seems zp was right all along about the fans nothing pleasing u

 

[RaNDM G]

And this is why I address you like-minded thinkers as fucking retarded morons.

First off, idiots need to be told they are idiots, otherwise they won't know. Remember they are idiots.

It's another 50 dollars on top of the original 50 dollars. This means the first 50 I dropped down on L4D was pointless and that was the BETA. And what do you mean content that is worth way more than 50 dollars? L4D isn't even worth the original 50 bucks yet.

And are you kidding me, why the fuck would they support l4d if 2 is coming out which will be better. Everyone would just move on to that one and if they don't then the community is fucking split up anyway. I don't think you understand how anything works.

P.S. I'm putting you in the fucking retarded moron group. Sorry. Here is your helmet.

How can you judge someone simply because their views differ from yours? If anything, you're the one being an idiot for making such a big case over the issue. And if you don't like the company releasing the game earlier than expected, you could just buy it used for cheaper than the original price. It's not a big deal.

Also, Valve president Gabe Newell stated in a message to Kotaku that the company IS going to continue support for the first game. "Doing a sequel in one year is new for Valve. But providing ongoing support for our titles after the initial launch isn't - it has been part of our philosophy since Half-Life was released ten and half years ago. We see no reason to change that and will continue to support the over three million customers in the L4D community."

"In addition to the recently released Survival Pack, we are releasing authoring tools for Mod makers, community matchmaking, 4x4 matchmaking, and more new content during the coming months for L4D1," Newell says. "We also agree with our customers that there needs to be an interoperability plan for players of L4D1 and L4D2, as multiplayer games are driven by the cohesiveness of their community."

So congratulations on making a fool of yourself on a forum. You can keep the helmet.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Peoples bitching aside... there was a announcement update for the group today.

Here we are, nine days later and 25,000 members stronger in our movement. Since the last time we posted, we had sent an email to Valve with the hopes of getting a response. A few days ago, we received such a response, and we would like to address its content.

First, Valve has said they will be looking into the allegations of forum censoring on official Steam forums. So far, we've received no word back as to any action taken.

Second, Valve has issued a statement not much different than the article on Kotaku regarding new content for L4D1: http://kotaku.com/5286185/valve-responds-to-left-4-dead-2-boycott-reaffirms-support-for-original

While we are excited about the idea of new content, we are still in the dark about it. What sort of content is it? For all we know, it could be a new main menu screen. Is it a new map, is it new monsters, is it new weapons, etc...? We'd like to know what is going to be in this new content.

Furthermore, when will this content be released? Is there any sort of timetable within which the content will be made available? These are all questions we would like Valve to elaborate on.

Last, Valve is trying to address the community split from releasing a new game in the series. While they did not go into details, and are still working on it, we will keep you posted. (If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to write up in a post on our forums).

We will be responding to Valve to follow up on their latest statement to us.

For now, you can look forward to a lot more interviews. We did a podcast which will be up by the weekend, along with a few other interviews we're working on, in an effort to portray the group accurately. We are anything BUT whining. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignoring the steps we've taken to try and work with Valve. When these issues become resolved, we're sure that our critics will be the first in line to download those L4D1 updates.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Despite the claim that Valve has addressed the concerns of the group, they really... havn't. Just parrotted lines from all their press releases. Dissapointed, and hope no one thinks this is actually resolved.

 

[Crash486]

so a boycott is like a group of old people who complain. like that one guy who complained about a skate park in our town and now the council wont get us one. bastards.

Nooo... a boycott is a group of consumers who refuse to purchase a product until their reasons are addressed. The reason a boycott is more effective than a group of old people is because money talks and everyone knows old people have no money. Valve has already addressed a number of the groups concern because they don't want to miss out on our $1,372,900.00

(actually, in secret we're a group of people who hates to have fun, and we attempt to fill the void in our lives by trying to stop everyone around us from having fun. In fact, we also snatch people's babies and hold weekly puppy skeet shooting meetings.

 

[Jumplion]

Just to recap on why the game is being boycotted here is what i determined:

1. Stuff was promised but not delivered
2. Music is bad
3.Characters aren't good looking
4.Community will get pissed ( i think)
5. People will give up on L4D altogether

But here my reply to those issues:

1.If u hate the characters, suk it up. U bought the game to kill zombies, not to stare at the characters.
3.If your mad about the lack of content delivered, Valve will probably work on it after L4D2 is released.
4.If the community is mad, look at all the new content in the game like melee weapons, zombies in the day, maybe even cutscenes
5. The new environments look great (i added that for me)

If u still don't see why its stupid to boycott this game oh well.

(P.S. Valve has made good games before and hasn't let us down yet, so have a little bit of faith in them)

Those aren't very good rebuttals...

1. Content was promised but it was never delivered. VALVe has said that they've making content, but they have yet to specify what exactly they're making which is another concern of the boycotts.
3. But that's exactly what they don't want! VALVe said they're working on stuff but haven't specified on anything. Why the hell would it be good to wait 6 months, more if they only started after L4D2 is released, be good?
4. That doesn't answer anything, all it says is to look at the content. Melee weapons can easily be added via patch, WOW zombies in daylight! What an add-on! And cut scenes? You're really suggesting that the cut scenes make up for whatever it is the community is mad about?

Alot of people are misinformed on both sides. I suggest you go to the group homepage [http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott] and read up on what exactly they're asking for. It's more reasonable than people are making it out to be.

 

[Zer_]

**Snip**

When in the history of gaming has the community decided when a software company should release information about the games/content they are working on? Never? Okay, I rest my case.

 

[Jumplion]

**Snip**

When in the history of gaming has the community decided when a software company should release information about the games/content they are working on? Never? Okay, I rest my case.

That's not what they're asking though. They're just asking what the hell is it that you guys are promising? All VALVe has done is restate the same thing they've said last year, effectively dodging questions left and right, and nothing else. They'd be a bit more confident if VALVe wasn't pulling a whole DNF on everything they're doing. It's not wrong to want a little more information than "We're doing something".

 

[mad benji89]

personal i think its good news that the game is coming out more zombie action is better that chips in dip and i know the first game wasnt the biggest of the games that are out at the moment but it i pritty much thought i got my moneys worth its a game that i been playing on scense i got it and i enjoy it still now.
and they did gives us a surival pack for free when they could as easly made us pay for it. at the end of the day if people dont want to play the game thats fine by me but i will be tucking into the zombie goodness of left 4 dead 2
^.^

 

[Zer_]

**Snip**

When in the history of gaming has the community decided when a software company should release information about the games/content they are working on? Never? Okay, I rest my case.

That's not what they're asking though. They're just asking what the hell is it that you guys are promising? All VALVe has done is restate the same thing they've said last year, effectively dodging questions left and right, and nothing else. They'd be a bit more confident if VALVe wasn't pulling a whole DNF on everything they're doing. It's not wrong to want a little more information than "We're doing something".

They even said they'd continue to support L4D, there's nothing for the boycotters to stand on here. It's all premature speculation. All it comes down to now is people demanding more information about L4D2 which is completely ridiculous.

On the subject of Episode 3, calm down, it'll come. It's NOT another DNF.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

That's not what they're asking though. They're just asking what the hell is it that you guys are promising? All VALVe has done is restate the same thing they've said last year, effectively dodging questions left and right, and nothing else. They'd be a bit more confident if VALVe wasn't pulling a whole DNF on everything they're doing. It's not wrong to want a little more information than "We're doing something".

3DRealms leave you a little insecure about future games?

 

[Spike815]

So Valve took fans suggestions, added melee weapons, new guns, different zombies, day maps, new characters and new levels, and people are mad about this? Damn you Valve for listening to our suggestions and making an enjoyable sequel! We wanted all of that for free!

 

[Jumplion]

That's not what they're asking though. They're just asking what the hell is it that you guys are promising? All VALVe has done is restate the same thing they've said last year, effectively dodging questions left and right, and nothing else. They'd be a bit more confident if VALVe wasn't pulling a whole DNF on everything they're doing. It's not wrong to want a little more information than "We're doing something".

3DRealms leave you a little insecure about future games?

Sure, if that makes you feel better, whatever.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

3DRealms leave you a little insecure about future games?

Sure, if that makes you feel better, whatever.[/quote]
Aww, c'mon now. Where's the wit?

Must not be a fan of the Duke.

Or maybe you don't like jokes, which seems odd given the real topic in discussion here.