Valve Wants Customer Disputes in Small Claims Court
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It does. It means the bar to sue Valve isn't raised. In EA's case it's pretty clear that they just don't want to get sues. They're making it more difficult for consumers to sue them. Valve doesn't, they're keeping a line open to the courts for the customer. They don't seem to want to actively hinder the consumer. They'll actually facilitate you by paying for your costs.Aeonknight said:
So yeah, you can still sue Valve. EA says fuck you we don't want your bitching. Valve says bring it on, we'll just do it in another room. And really, don't customer disputes belong in the small claims court? We're talking about disputes concerning, what, a couple hundred bucks? Maybe two thousand-ish?
You bought the right to use the game as long as you comply with the ToS.viranimus said:
It's just Valve covering their asses, like anyone else, I have no plans to enter a lawsuit with Valve though so I have no problem agreeing to it. Your right, it doesn't affect me and I therefore don't care. I don't consider it to be forfeiting my right, especially since Valve will pay my fees as well as their own.
Except.. thats the thing. I never agreed to that provision of the Terms of service, nor would I. Literally this is little more thanMiriaJiyuu said:
Only difference is even if you agree to it, that will not put a stop to it. This is not restricted purely to valve. However because we have watched this slippery slope turn into gradual reality we have to stop it in order to push it back out of all of these platforms. It is wrong for any company anywhere at any time to demand for you to give up legal rights in order to access something you have already purchased. Before this provision started to surface with Sony, XBL, Origin and now steam, none of us agreed to willingly give up our rights that are part of consumer PROTECTION.
You are entitled to not consider it forfeiting your rights, but it IS giving up voluntarily the right to engage in class action law suit. Getting duped into accepting paid for arbitration is failing to understand divide et impera And in doing so your also negating my and every other gamers rights.
Just as if resistance were mounted and ended in valve rescinding this, our actions of resistance effected you by restoring your right that you may or may not ever use. So too do your actions of not resisting undermine any attempt at stopping this from happening and thus protect all consumers including yourself. It most certainly does effect you.
Freedom is like money. It has value attached to it. It cannot be mutually shared effectively. If you give it away because it has value attached to it, those you gave it to have no reason to give it back, and every reason to use it for their own benefit. Just because you willingly gave it away does not mean you will get something comparable or even anything in return for it.
So the question is incredibly simple. Even if you know you unequivocally would never utilize freedom why would you ever give freedom away? By your indifference and not caring, you are not only willingly giving freedom away, it hinders my ability to fight for both my rights and yours.
