Valve Would "Love" to Put Steam on 360s

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GiantRedButton said:
The only developer that microsoft actually allowed to use dedicated servers is epic and that was an exception for unreal tournament 3. (and maybe 2 others i didnt think of) Name me a few examples for games with dedicated servers as far as google knows there is only one.
but maybe my google-fu is weak because of Darth Bing or sth.
hate to break it to you but every game expect that one uses the player with the best internet connection to host the game. Gears of war halo cod etc There are servers for news etc and patches but no dedicated servers for actually playing the game.
basically they don't want live to connect to anything they don't control. No browser etc.
No I'm aware most companies use P2P because it's cheaper and easier.

Microsoft doesn't restrict it, they help pay for it.

It's been a while since I read this... and I;m fairly sure it was in some magazine.

Dedicated servers are expensive, but Microsoft don't restrict them.
 

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FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK... I'm sad... would Microsoft lose any money by doing it? I would buy Portal 2 for 360 if it had free updates and whatnot. :C
 

Gasaraki

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Isn't steamworks just the steam cloud and achievements and whatnot? I doubt they would put steam in it's entirety, game downloads and all. That would kind of conflict with what microsoft already has in place and it would just be a bad business decision in general.
 

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vansau said:
Ok, this is what caused Valve to jump ship to the PS3 since Sony knows it needs to get third party developers on it side and letting them have leeway with their system so they can catch up with the 360.
 

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GamesB2 said:
GiantRedButton said:
The only developer that microsoft actually allowed to use dedicated servers is epic and that was an exception for unreal tournament 3. (and maybe 2 others i didnt think of) Name me a few examples for games with dedicated servers as far as google knows there is only one.
but maybe my google-fu is weak because of Darth Bing or sth.
hate to break it to you but every game expect that one uses the player with the best internet connection to host the game. Gears of war halo cod etc There are servers for news etc and patches but no dedicated servers for actually playing the game.
basically they don't want live to connect to anything they don't control. No browser etc.
No I'm aware most companies use P2P because it's cheaper and easier.

Microsoft doesn't restrict it, they help pay for it.

It's been a while since I read this... and I;m fairly sure it was in some magazine.

Dedicated servers are expensive, but Microsoft don't restrict them.
Then tf2 on xbox 360 would have had dedicated servers, i mean how many examples do you know for dedicated servers?
Sc2 server bandwith costs just as much as 360 bandwith. If developers use it why would cost suddently become a much bigger issue as soon as you go to the microsoft platform?
This is a big problem when it comes to lag, though of course there is an internet petition to change that http://www.petitiononline.com/XBLhost/petition.html
I#m suuuure it will work this time guys, internet petitions always work.
I never said that it is impossible to create dedicated server even on xbl if you are an exclusive 360 studio (even mentioned an/the example) but the lack of them is a big indicator that trying to do anything on xbox live (like the free tf2 patches) ends in a huge hassle with microsoft
 

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8bitmaster said:
It sounds like microsoft in charge of xbox live is like apple. They hate every other developer thats not them.
Which is weird considering how they run Windows.
 

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armageddon74400 said:
Isn't steamworks just the steam cloud and achievements and whatnot? I doubt they would put steam in it's entirety, game downloads and all. That would kind of conflict with what microsoft already has in place and it would just be a bad business decision in general.
Well, Steamworks is basically steam, without the store. It's not really a bad decision to include steamworks, specially since it allows third party companies an alternative networking solution for the PS3, which is optimal if the game is being released on PC as well as it makes cross platform gaming and chatting possible.

I really doubt Microsoft would ever allow steam into x360 tho, what with Steam being the main competitor to Games for Windows Live and all.
 

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Microsoft, get your shit together!
Stopping developers from... developing won't make you more money, you know.
 

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Other than Valve's content, some of which is on Xbox 360 already through traditional means, what does Steamworks bring to XBL that XBL, XBLA and XBLM don't already have?

MS certainly wouldn't want full Steam on the console. What incentive does Microsoft have to allow someone else's digital storefront inside their digital storefront? MS would counteroffer to Valve to just put whatever they want to sell through steam into XBLM, and they can work out a reasonable revenue share. Valve would refuse because they want to control their own store.

As for Steamworks, as far as I can tell, that would just extend a subset of XBL's own functionality to those playing multiplayer games on Steamworks using a PC instead of a console, something MS already tried and failed at with Shadowrun.

That MS failed at it doesn't mean Valve would, but it still would mean putting keyboard/mouse players up against controller players and that spells bad news.

I see the incentive here for Sony. Their online service has two bullet points: 1) Pretty much like Xbox Live, but 2) Free.

Any deal that offloads the burden of developing and maintaining multiplayer features is a win/win for Sony. They get additional features and content without increased costs, which is good because providing the service produces no revenue. It also expands the playerbase for multiplayer games on PSN.

There are just no comparable incentives for MS to allow this on XBL; it's staked out the idea that multiplayer gaming has value, is worth paying for, and it wants to take responsibility for (that is, exercise control over) the way in which that service is provided, and reap the benefits from those who agree it is a worthwhile product.

Come to think of it, XBL is about the least Microsoft-like thing they do.
 

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Why is this written up like a bad thing? I see this as a GOOD thing. Not everyone wants Steamworks in there, you know. I don't like the idea that they could just up and change the game without giving me any kind of choice in the matter. With the way the PS3 and 360 are, if I don't want a game update for whatever reason I can just not accept the download. Unless I'm missing something here, this whole Steamworks thing sounds like they're just going to push updates through whenever they want without giving me any choice, trying to take over my shit like Real Player or something.

And also who cares if Square Enix can't do what they want on Xbox Live? I'm still trying to figure out why people still take them seriously. The last time they made something worth playing was, well shit, never!

Radioactive Kitten said:
I'm going to quote this so more people see it. Entirely too many people think that Steamworks = Steam.
Can't really blame them when the article itself looks like Valve is saying they want to put Steam (and not Steamworks) on the 360.
 

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Instead of adding all the things computers already have to consoles, Why don't console owners just buy fucking computers.

Enough of the childish name calling "Elitist" shit, it's getting old.
 

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MaVeN1337 said:
Instead of adding all the things computers already have to consoles, Why don't console owners just buy fucking computers.

Enough of the childish name calling "Elitist" shit, it's getting old.
Well, maybe because computers (especially gaming computers) are expensive. For a really nice gaming computer, you can buy three or four xboxs or ps3s. Some people can just afford the one system (usually xbox or ps3 or wii).

But on topic, not really a big fan of steam (although I do use it, just not much) but I guess I can see where MS is coming from.
 

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Heh heh, there's a reason that "love" is in quotations marks.

The more that Valve can just ignore the consoles the happier they really are. They're damn good at PC but when it comes to consoles they're mediocre at best and have given the impression to me multiple times that they dislike them anyway.
 

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vansau said:
According to Final Fantasy producer Sage Sundi, though, there's a possible solution for getting Microsoft to allow this sort of content on Xbox consoles: "If 200,000 people maybe send an e-mail to Microsoft asking to give us access to the other side of Xbox Live then there's a possibility."
Is that kinda like how cats used to be the dominant species of the world until one night when 1000 humans all dreamed the same dream of a world where humans were the dominant species, and thus it came to be true, so now cats have to try and do the same thing to try and re-write the world back to the way it was?
 

ShakerSilver

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wasalp said:
you guys do know the steam service won't actually sell games(as far as I know) I believe it will only be there for the chatting service.
Actually no, there's already XBox Live for that. Steam is supposed to deliver software updates and support community content like mods. Microsoft apparently doesn't like the idea of free content updates, which is why they don't want to use Steamworks.
 

Space Jawa

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Of course Valve would "love" to put Steam on the 360. They would probably "love" to put it on the Wii too, if given half the chance. And what are the odds that if they somehow manage to get Microsoft to give in, the Wii will be their next target?

awsome117 said:
Well, maybe because computers (especially gaming computers) are expensive. For a really nice gaming computer, you can buy three or four xboxs or ps3s. Some people can just afford the one system (usually xbox or ps3 or wii).
Yeah, but you know all the stuff you can do on your computer compared to what you do on either of those consoles? Regardless of what add-ons a system may be equipped with, the main reason most people buy a video game console is to play video games.

And what would you even need three or four XBoxes or PS3s for? That just doesn't even make any sense! Unless, you know, you're storing up extras for when one of them breaks down.