Valve Would "Love" to Put Steam on 360s

[SextusMaximus]

Fuck off, Valve. PC is enough, I'm going to be a very sad fanboy

Because heaven forbid that anyone preferring another platform get to try and love the same service and provider you enjoy. Those basters should be thought a lesson. \ sarcasm

Grow up.

No, you grow up. I meant to give my honest, fanboy - based opinion with a laugh. You misinterpreted it, as a result you ended up looking like a dick. Well done.

 

[proghead]

Looks like Microsoft took Apple's business model as a role model for their Xbox Live service. Sell them the hardware, and lock them in through the software.

 

[Pilkingtube]

They specifically want Steamworks on the PC...

Well I don't ant that for several reasons... for one I don't like Steam.

Now we have my immediate bias out of the way.

They would then have their own service on 2 out of 3 consoles and the PC... so essentially they would become a monopoly drawing money from all 3 platforms and growing larger.

That doesn't sound good to me... I assume because they want Steamworks this means they want to offer other games through their system. Essentially stealing a market away from XBLA and PSN... thereby increasing rthe cost to keep those other systems running and driving smaller developers who don't want to use Steam into the ground.

Then I assume Valve would use their own servers for their games. Which Microsoft wouldn't have a hand in so Valve would have to pay for them all on their own... which is where they could easily bring ion a subscription fee.

Maybe I'm making Valve out to be too evil, but they are a company.

Still I'd rather Valve just stop freaking complaining and maintenance the TF2 servers on 360... I'm sure they can scrounge around in the money pile for enough for one update.

One problem with that, steamworks =/= steam. They don't sell things through steamworks, it just provides the network and the updates etc etc. They get no sales out of it

 

[BarbaricGoose]

Why is this written up like a bad thing? I see this as a GOOD thing. Not everyone wants Steamworks in there, you know. I don't like the idea that they could just up and change the game without giving me any kind of choice in the matter. With the way the PS3 and 360 are, if I don't want a game update for whatever reason I can just not accept the download. Unless I'm missing something here, this whole Steamworks thing sounds like they're just going to push updates through whenever they want without giving me any choice, trying to take over my shit like Real Player or something.

And also who cares if Square Enix can't do what they want on Xbox Live? I'm still trying to figure out why people still take them seriously. The last time they made something worth playing was, well shit, never!

If you don't want Steamworks, you also don't want user created content, which adds A LOT to a game's lifespan. I bought TF2 for the PC back when it was released, and I still play it to this day. I bought LFD 1 & 2 for the 360, and stopped playing them after a month and a week, respectively. I then bought LFD2 for the PC and I'm now playing it again. There's tons of excellent mods for it that it keep interesting.

I would kill to have that on the 360, as I'm much better with a controller than I am with a mouse and keyboard.

 

[SimuLord]

Gabe is a flipping badass.

Hmmmm.... I used to feel the same way whenever Google stuck it to Microsoft/Apple/Whomever. After the Google/Verizon plan to carve up the internet was revealed earlier this month, though, I'm feeling more wary about lionizing these "giant-killers" who happen to be giants themselves.

If Valve has an IPO and goes public, I'll be very, very nervous about trusting them. Google was all about "don't be evil", but the moment they had shareholders and SEC 10-K filings, they had to toe the line just like any other corporation.

 

[duchaked]

it's so sad seeing people gushing over their PCs and PS3s
can't we all just have fun together? share what we love, maybe others will too
maybe

come to think of it, my 360's memory space is running low anyway...not much room for dl unless I get the new 360
my computer's fine for now, but I'd need to start moving all these bloody videos in my harddrive to something external

 

[cainx10a]

Why bring Steam to the consoles? Steam does pretty much what Live does: stores, a way to keep track of what your friends are doing and the means to communicate with them. That's like having to deal with GFWL, and Steam on PC, it's redundant.

 

[The_Emperor]

MS are going to force me to buy a ps3 arent they?

 

[Samus Aaron]

It would be awesome if Steam went onto Xbox Live. I'm sure Microsoft isn't dumb enough that it would reject the help of one of the greatest current developers of our time.

By the way, what use would Steam be on the 360 or PS3? You can already download games, DLC, and updates on the 360, so what would change? All I can think of is a somewhat larger back-catalog of games.

Gabe is a flipping badass.

Of course he is! Why do you think my avatar is so awesome?

 

[hyperdrachen]

Yeah this is the sad end of xbox lives success... yes I like xbox live... I like steam better but steam wholly replaces live, no way theyre gonna let that happen. But if the trend of opening up consoles to a more PC like platform continues and microsoft doesn't evolve with it, I may jump ship next console gen.

Imagine buying a game on steamworks and having access to the nintendo, ps3, PC, and xbox version of it.

 

[Riku'sTwilight]

All Microsoft need to do is to make a really good OnDemand service, then they wont even need Steam.

Arcade is good, but we need bigger games and better games.
Look at the competition; Nintendo has pretty much most of their big sellers on the Wii Virtual Console, and Sony have drawn from their back catalogue (Final Fantasy 7, 8 and 9 - yes please)

Sure, Microsoft don't really have a back catalogue to draw from (and the big games of what they do have are up there) But how about bringing the Halo 2 port which was on the PC (with updated graphics and achievements) onto Live? that would be a massive start.

Then they could work on bringing other (cheaper than in shops) games onto Live and Arcade and make them all achievement-enabled and then Microsoft would be a massive contender in terms of the digital download service.

Oh and another point: the games on demand service (full 360 games) should be updated to bring almost every new release onto this service and a little bit cheaper.
Hell you could even bring the 'special editions' to this service with instead of physical models and expensive packaging the devs could give us more extra in-game content

 

[digital warrior]

Fuck off, Valve. PC is enough, I'm going to be a very sad fanboy

Because heaven forbid that anyone preferring another platform get to try and love the same service and provider you enjoy. Those basters should be thought a lesson. \ sarcasm

Grow up.

No, you grow up. I meant to give my honest, fanboy - based opinion with a laugh. You misinterpreted it, as a result you ended up looking like a dick. Well done.

Sorry but the sad fact is that their are too many people who actually feel that way about this and other subjects, see also ff13 on 360 for blatant fan boy stupidity.

 

[X123Lewis123X]

nooooo i always thought of steam as the computers version of xbox live/ PSN

 

[-Torchedini-]

Since everyone is so pro-steam on here.

Please microsoft don't. I don't want valve on my xbox. What does it bring that live hasn't got already ?
Everything except the savegameuploading thing. And I don't want a even more powerful valve. Power makes most people bad. As in lead them to making bad decisions.

That's why I even bought some games on other services then steam. Its a bit rubbish. But I don't want steam being too big.

 

[The Youth Counselor]

They specifically want Steamworks on the PC...

Well I don't ant that for several reasons... for one I don't like Steam.

Now we have my immediate bias out of the way.

They would then have their own service on 2 out of 3 consoles and the PC... so essentially they would become a monopoly drawing money from all 3 platforms and growing larger.

That doesn't sound good to me... I assume because they want Steamworks this means they want to offer other games through their system. Essentially stealing a market away from XBLA and PSN... thereby increasing rthe cost to keep those other systems running and driving smaller developers who don't want to use Steam into the ground.

Then I assume Valve would use their own servers for their games. Which Microsoft wouldn't have a hand in so Valve would have to pay for them all on their own... which is where they could easily bring ion a subscription fee.

Maybe I'm making Valve out to be too evil, but they are a company.

Still I'd rather Valve just stop freaking complaining and maintenance the TF2 servers on 360... I'm sure they can scrounge around in the money pile for enough for one update.

As others pointed out: Steamworks does not equal Steam. It is only the updating and mod adapting feature of Steam.

But since you brought up bringing the Steam store to those systems that is an initiative I would wholly support. If anything it would be an ANTI-monopoly.

Although Steam is King on computers, it has a massive amount of digital distribution competitors such as Stardock Impulse, Games for Windows, Direct to Drive, Gametap, Ganetree, Onlive, StreamMyGames for example.

On the Xbox, PS3, and Wii the company online services reigns without competition or opposition. On Xbox Live, Mircrosoft runs a regime as isolated and restrictive as the iphone Apps store. MS sets the prices of games, perks and subscriptions. They overcharge for content and charge for content that is available for free, (even when downloaded from servers they do not own). They fight against net neutrality by quelling dedicated servers. Even when developers want something released for free (because it is the case on other platforms) and offers to foot the bill, they demand that monetary charges are taken from the consumer.

If services like Steam or Stardock is available on other platforms, it would free gamers and developers alike from the iron grips of powerful trusts and encourage a fair playing field and fair business practices.

 

[The Journey]

Microsoft and Apple are rivals, but damn if they don't have similar isolationist business practices.

You sir, hit the nail on the head.

Microsoft has Games For Windows Live. What do you mean try to ignore? They fully support the PC!

DO IT MICROSOFT! DO IT!

You sir, know not what you say, for what you have written here is complete and utter poppycock, to put it mildly.

GFWL is one of the most god-awful concepts ever brought to fruition. While I am not a terribly big fan of Steam for all the problems the program itself has caused me in the past, the service itself is fantastic and light years ahead of GFWL.

Also, the post above mine is totally on the money, good show sir!

 

[Ed.]

If Sony play this right they might combine the best of consoles and PC it might happen

Removing the other OS feature was a mistake what they should do is allow mods/ dedicated server and other PC like thing have mods work like Calve does the best ones get steamworks enabled I'm on such a mod team and its pretty awesome and its a win for the company for the cost of the download capacity they get piles of extra content.

Next make a controller that can do what a moue does maybe a laser moue thing with a load of buttons for your right hand and a normal one hand controller in your left with a stick and a bunch of buttons then PC, MAC and ps3 could cross platform fairly have stuff like steam play and the like.

M$ would be left behind big time with a kniect that cant compete with the wii/wii2 and a console that loses to the PS3/4

 

[VanityGirl]

Instead of adding all the things computers already have to consoles, Why don't console owners just buy fucking computers.

Enough of the childish name calling "Elitist" shit, it's getting old.

I think you forget why people buy consoles. Consoles are a pick up and play thing. The beauty of a console is that you can pop in a game and play right away. (Well the PS3 is kind of an exception to the rule.)
Also, people enjoy using their TV's to play on, much bigger than a monitor. Also, console games don't have big patches and updates like computer games do. Most games on consoles, if they have an update, will have a quick update that takes less than a minute to do.

Also, as someone else mentioned before, the price of a good gaming computer (plus updating it) far exceeds the price you pay for a console.

I own a gaming computer (I'm typing on it now!) and all the consoles. I really enjoy my computer, but I like the quickness of consoles games. I also enjoy using controllers over the keyboard sometimes.

I wouldn't say you're elitist, but consoles have their own pros and cons and computers have their own pros and cons.