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Yes, and we all laughed at it for the comedy of it. The damage it realistically caused was minor. You're throwing out all these "scary" scenarios while completely neglecting a very important aspect of military action. Grand strategy. None of these scenarios you put out buys foreign actors anything. They're petty spiteful damaging actions that accomplish nothing of value.
It took six days for that crisis to resolve itself. Half of the US navy can't wait six days to get to Taiwan if the PLA forces start massing/bombing/etc.
 

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And the other half isn't, or is under maintenance. Plus there is also the reserve navy in... Norfolk, Virginia.
Okay and they can sail to the Pacific. China isn't building up and fully subjugating Taiwan in 6 days when half the US navy is already there.
 
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Okay and they can sail to the Pacific. China isn't building up and fully subjugating Taiwan in 6 days when half the US navy is already there.
You forgot to factor the commute it takes to get there after the Panama canal is being cleared. And every US servicemen and women that dies from a lack of US navy air power, and A2AD bubble will be a issue in a election. US mothers aren't going to tolerate the excuse of the well it was law fare, and incompetence that got their child killed, you see we couldn't even't protect our own hempshere to please the global/local left, and other dictators who would call us mean, when they already call the US every name in the book.
 

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You forgot to factor the commute it takes to get there after the Panama canal is being cleared. And every US serivcemen and women that dies from a lack of US navy air power, and A2AD bubble will be a issue in a election. US mothers aren't going to tolerate the excuse of the well it was lawfare, and incompetence that got their child killed, you see we couldn't even't protect our own hempshere to please the global/local left, and other dictators who would call us mean, when they already call the US every name in the book.
No I didn't. The whole of the Chinese navy doesn't measure up to the Pacific fleet alone. It would already be an extraordinary circumstance for the fleet to need reserves anyway, even if we disregard Taiwanese allies in the Pacific. That's why none of this is worth thinking about outside of semi-interesting 'what ifs' in case some circumstances change. As it stands, cutting off the Panama canal for 6 days doesn't accomplish anything meaningful.
 
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No I didn't. The whole of the Chinese navy doesn't measure up to the Pacific fleet alone. It would already be an extraordinary circumstance for the fleet to need reserves anyway, even if we disregard Taiwanese allies in the Pacific. That's why none of this is worth thinking about outside of semi-interesting 'what ifs' in case some circumstances change. As it stands, cutting off the Panama canal for 6 days doesn't accomplish anything meaningful.
It can, and it will lead to less potent US Navy presence in the western Pacific and SCS. And that can be directly leaded linked to any US servicemembers who die, or are maimed. You guys may not deem China as a threat, but many academics, and the US Armed Forces do, the US governments does, and many US companies like the Rand Corporation do.

 

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This might be a good time to drop the WW3 China thing, since there's not going to be any agreement, and focus back on Venezuela, which is non a hypothetical.
 
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It can, and it will lead to less potent US Navy presence in the western Pacific and SCS. And that can be directly leaded linked to any US servicemembers who die, or are maimed. You guys may not deem China as a threat, but many academics, and the US Armed Forces do, the US governments does, and many US companies like the Rand Corporation do.

I'm going to point out to you that China has as far as anyone can tell 3 aircraft carriers in total while the US has 6 already in the Pacific and do as Thal suggest, the fuck is China doing in Venezuela to do anything of meaning from a military perspective?
 

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This might be a good time to drop the WW3 China thing, since there's not going to be any agreement, and focus back on Venezuela, which is non a hypothetical.
They are both linked, but I am still going to argue what Trump did is a good idea even without the China link.

Because of what Maduro did to his country 1/3 of his country are refugees. And many of them are cheering it everywhere including DC, Spain. The only people against it are his loyalist in Venzeuzla where many labor unions tell people if they don't show up those gatherings they are fired the next day, and could lose public services.
 

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That's not an answer.
One less country for China to dock their warships in, put missiles in, put drones near the US is always a good idea. I do want the US to go into Cuba. Thye have had it coming for a long time, we tried to do a deal with them under the Obama admin.

Also I do see a world free of tyrants, we could literally see a world like the 1990s again without all the conservative social and racial crap of that era. We could see no Xi, Putin, Kim. GIven the fact that Maduro is gone, and the Mullahs are possibly about to go with them I see no reason why we can't devise a firing solution for regime change in other countries.
 

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Nothing says anti-tyranny like supporting surprise attacks on other countries to overthrow their leaders as long as they are dictators.
Who oppress their own people with police states, and layered security apparatus, and are afraid of new years gatherings. No to mention they harrass other countries, and invade and annex land if not whole countries in the region.
 

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Who oppress their own people with police states, and layered security apparatus, and are afraid of new years gatherings. No to mention they harrass other countries, and invade and annex land if not whole countries in the region.
Which part of that are you not currently supporting the US doing, other than maybe the New Year's bit?
 

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One less country for China to dock their warships in, put missiles in, put drones near the US is always a good idea. I do want the US to go into Cuba. Thye have had it coming for a long time, we tried to do a deal with them under the Obama admin.

Also I do a world free of tyrants, we could literally see a world like the 1990s again without all the conservative social and racial crap of that era. We could see no Xi, Putin, Kim. GIven the fact that Maduro is gone, and the Mullahs are possibly about to go with them I see no reason why we can't devise a firing solution for regime change in other countries.
To my knowledge China has a grand total of 0 warships in the Atlantic. That's not a serious concern for military strategy.

As for Cuba, they have done literally nothing other than suffer under a blockade for longer than most people have been alive. Let them trade and see if they can beat the Soviet Union, because that's what did them in. Being a tyrant yourself because you want to wank off military tech is definitely not the answer.
 

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Which part of that are you not currently supporting the US doing, other than maybe the New Year's bit?
Well to put in context the US despite threatening it to annex land hasn't done it so it's more of a threat and a you better spend more on Arctic defense or else. And also we hold elections, Zohran won in New York CIty, and the Hong Kong protesters got arrested. There is a contrast between that.