Veronica Leaves Archie for Openly Gay Character
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Well, Riverdale isn't really supposed to be a city as I understand things. Rather it's supposed to be a small or mid-sized town or suberb where time more or less stands still.Trevor Cooper said:Which begs the question... why is Riverdale (newly "progressive" city) the only city in the world that has no minorities what so ever. I mean, to the best of MY knowledge, I've never seen anyone with a pigment darker than Khaki.Therumancer said:I've read Archie. I think everyone goes through that phase a bit.
Once you start opening up the door to toss in one minority group, you wind up with increasing questions from other minorities like "hey why isn't there a character like me?" at which point you wind up with a bunch of extraneous characters.
And to comment on the "new gay kid" story, seriously watch Chasing Amy.
It's all laid out for you... There has been a TON of homosexual undertones through-out Archies existence.
-T
There HAVE been minorities and such in Archie, but admittedly not as major characters. It is pretty "whitebread" overall, but then again it started publication in 1939 I believe. To be honest it has had racist fingers pointed at it (as have shows like Buffy The Vampire Slayer, though that gets into another whole discussion) but it's no worse than TV shows or movies with an all black cast or whatever. The majority is simply treated differantly when it comes to such things.
As far as homosexual undercurrents in Archie, I disagree strongly. Part of the reason why I am making this arguement is that the whole thing is supposed to be innocent. On some levels it's odd that something so seemingly boring continued on in consistant publication as long as it has, but I digress. People can take something like Archie and "read into" things jokingly very easily. Sort of like how people can point to "undercurrents of homosexuality" in say Batman. This is especially true when you look at something with a very long publication run and ignore things like time frame. There are entire galleries dedicated to old comics and how easy it is to take them out of context given modern attitudes. Not just sexually, but in general. The site "Superdickery" for example roasts Superman with his own material something awful.
Of course it can also be pointed out that people have taken jokes based on misintepetation a bit further at times. For example "Penthouse Comix" once ran an Archie parody called "Pets" drawn by some of the same artists which if I remember had Veronica and Midge as dominatrixs and some other stuff, which was both pretty graphic, and also very funny if you've read Archie specifically because of how innocent it was and some things could be "run with" in odd directions.
The point is that Archie should stay out of politics, and trying to introduce "edgy" characters and such. That's not the kind of escapism it provides. Sort of like how at one point they did a bit with "The Punisher" going to Riverdale and going insane due to the innocent naivity of the place (he was looking for a Drug dealer if I remember). Hack/Slash did the same thing though they used an equivilent as opposed to literally using Riverdale, but were looking for a slasher.
To put things into perspective, when your dealing with a series where it's out of character to even have a drug dealer, or someone puffing a joint for that matter, I really don't think it's the place to start trying to insert homosexuality into the mix.
Doubtlessly, with things like Penthouse Comix (which to my knowlege has long since been defunct, but probably has a current incarnation by some company somewhere) you've even had Archie's own artists producing the stuff at various times as a joke outside of the series.wordsmith said:
However, I think "The Escapist" is dedicated to fandom in general and all forms of escapism. It covers comics (and Archie is one of the longest running comics of all time I'd imagine), paper and pencil RPGs, movies, and all kinds of things. Gaming is just a more major focus than many other things.
You always have the ability to make me laugh, where do you find all this stuff?The_root_of_all_evil said:Yep, what they're actually doing is forcing a new character to come out as if to say "THIS ONE. THIS ONE IS THE UNCLEAN ONE."meganmeave said:
Instead of, you know, Archie confessing that he never could choose between Betty and Veronica because he secretly loves Jughead.
Seriously, openly gay? Are we openly straight now or what?
The sheer amount of ignorance in this topic makes me sad. Someone even claimed that there were no openly gay people in the 50's, which is a load of bull. And bigoted people are the reason gay people have kept themselves closeted for so long in the first place.
On the other hand, this discussion further prooves that openly gay characters are needed in even kid's comics, so that we gay people could someday finally be accepted as normal human beings with our pros and cons. Homosexuality does not make people mentally ill or criminals, nor does the gay rights movement seek more rights than what heterosexual people have.
The more kids see and deal with openly gay people, the better they realize we are normal humans just like everyone else.
On the other hand, this discussion further prooves that openly gay characters are needed in even kid's comics, so that we gay people could someday finally be accepted as normal human beings with our pros and cons. Homosexuality does not make people mentally ill or criminals, nor does the gay rights movement seek more rights than what heterosexual people have.
The more kids see and deal with openly gay people, the better they realize we are normal humans just like everyone else.
Haha! I love this cover! This reminds me of the "Superman is a Dick [http://www.superdickery.com/]" website with all those old Superman covers that are unintentionally hilarious. At least I think the humor is unintentional.The_root_of_all_evil said:Yep, what they're actually doing is forcing a new character to come out as if to say "THIS ONE. THIS ONE IS THE UNCLEAN ONE."
Instead of, you know, Archie confessing that he never could choose between Betty and Veronica because he secretly loves Jughead.
Seriously, openly gay? Are we openly straight now or what?
Hmmm... a dream sequence you say? Well, that might redeem Archie a little. Might. As long as the Betty dream sequence proved she was indeed Archie's gal. I might have to take a look at this series now though.Lauren Admire said:
Yeah, Archie isn't going to seem all that shocking by comparison. They should have had the Shyamalanesque revelation be that Moose leaves Midge for the love of a squirrel.SharPhoe said:
In what way?DoW Lowen said:
The whole "I don't mind gays as long as they don't rub it in my face (awful pun)" argument has always seemed pretty odd to me. Us hetero's rub people's faces in it all the time. Our sexuality I mean. I'm not saying that's what you're saying, I just thought of it when you said what you did.
Also: Why was Wolfiesden ONLY been suspended? The fucking numb nut should have been banned.
The mayor of Sydney... is very gay in the sense that footballers are very straight. You'll never see her put up for mistletoe for Christmas but during the Marti Gras, Sydney becomes a flamboyant oyster with tight spandex and hot leather. Don't get me wrong, I love the party times (although I wish Christmas in Sydney had a few more lights) - I'm just saying she is very, very, very gay.Woodsey said:
I can't really justify this as forward thinking. If Archie comics have been around for 70 years, and homosexuality is thousands of years old, then I dont think the writers are exactly breaking down walls with this new character. Besides, if it ends up perpetuating stereotypes, then we just have another generation of kids who will get to the know label before they get to know the person.
Face it, this is a money grab. They arent going to end up doing anything more than play off some stereotypes, and if thats pioneering, then "Saved by the Bell" was a pinnacle of cultural equality and understanding.
Bottom line is, don't let these bastards make any money off this new press. Good comic's go unmentioned on these forums(How about Joe Sacco? I'd beg you to read footnotes from Gaza and say that this Archie plot is worth a hair on your ass) and we have to hear about a new Archie character? Cut the bullshit. This is stupid, hair-brained scheme to make money off a generation of little girls that will end up forming their opinions on a group of people from the pages of a 3 dollar comic instead of through conversation.
Bravo? I think not.
Face it, this is a money grab. They arent going to end up doing anything more than play off some stereotypes, and if thats pioneering, then "Saved by the Bell" was a pinnacle of cultural equality and understanding.
Bottom line is, don't let these bastards make any money off this new press. Good comic's go unmentioned on these forums(How about Joe Sacco? I'd beg you to read footnotes from Gaza and say that this Archie plot is worth a hair on your ass) and we have to hear about a new Archie character? Cut the bullshit. This is stupid, hair-brained scheme to make money off a generation of little girls that will end up forming their opinions on a group of people from the pages of a 3 dollar comic instead of through conversation.
Bravo? I think not.
More politically-correct sillyness or looking for another customer base to increase sales.
Everybody's doing it.
Everybody's doing it.
I guess that makes me a beaver or robot. But then I always had taste when selecting my reading material.
haha this stories not only accepting to gays, its totally dissing veronica. She shes so horrible that she has the power to turn guys gay!
Not really. I was raised in Pakistan (17 years to be exact), and I literally grew up on Archie comics---that and shitty knockoffs of NES and Sega games.Hurr Durr Derp said: