Wait, so video games aren't art?

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Flare_Dragon123

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Well some video games I wouldn't classify as "Art", just the same as some Movies I wouldn't consider "Art" and some music I wouldn't call "Art". It depends on the quality of the game. For instance, I wouldn't call Call of Duty: Black Ops, Art even though it happens to be a game that I consider to be loads of multiplayer fun.

At this point you'd have to define what YOU consider art is. If you want to step back, I consider all three mediums Artistic Mediums. But just like everything else most of it is abused for different reasons. Action movies that appeal to the masses (EXACTLY like Action Games that appeal to the masses) are typically never there to do anything besides make money. There are exceptions to every rule.

Your teachers attitude is unsurprising, as previously stated, because she's had little experience with the medium. If she were to play Shadow of the Colossus, she'd probably have a completely different opinion.

That being said, unlike in Writing and Movies, I find that there are far fewer examples of Video Games that you can claim wield a high level of Artistic Integrity, especially as games continue each generation. There seems to be an almost universal level of Action, Zombies, and other atypical genres going around nowadays, in both gaming and film, that are made specifically to attract John and Jane Doe into THINKING that they're experiencing something out of the ordinary.

Example: Mass Effect, great game, brilliant narrative, Bioware's focus on dialogue driven exposition shines through better than any other, but is the game artistic? In my mind, even being a fan of the series, I can't consider it to be anything other than what you can expect when the technology becomes available. Both games' stories have been subpar, the levelling systems have been a reflection of what is considered popular, the first being a near Diablo Clone, to the second being Gears of War lolworthy, and while I've been drawn into the experience I can't say that I came out of it thinking that the entire gaming industry would do itself well to take a page out of Bioware's book (except maybe the dialogue writing, not necessarily the selection).

Example 2: As opposed to Mass Effect, there is still a high action game that deserves mention if you want to talk about Artistic gamine in the recent generation and that of couse is Bioshock. Between the story you have to explore to find and the atmospheric world that tells a story in itself, Bioshock is beautiful and terrifying to look at, a brilliantly original idea (to a point) and even offers one of the most mind bendingly fourth wall breaking twists of any game ever, it provides an interesting backdrop for what is actually a very mediocre and too often seen game that prevails only in proving why more games with Bioshocks system aren't being made.

Gaming CAN be artistic, the same way that Music and Film CAN be. Your teacher just hasn't seen the right stuff yet. You think I realized how wonderful film could be before I saw The Godfather? Shawshank Redemption? Did I realize how moving music could be before hearing Metallica? Queens of the Stone Age? Pink Floyd? Can someone really realize how great gaming is without having played Final Fantasy 7? Shadow of the Colossus? Bioshock? Majora's Mask?

The answer, is no.
 

phantasmalWordsmith

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Not insane. sounds more like bigoted. It'd be nice if you could convince her but one thing I've found is that people of her generation aren't worth the effort, easier to wait for them to age into senility and then no one takes them seriously. So long as you think it's right that games are art, then that's all that counts
 

TerranReaper

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I'm going to say this now: Video games in general has a huge amount of diversity and can be several things. It can be art (Rich narrative), it can be sport (Great competitive play), time waster (casual games), it can be almost anything. It can be art, but it doesn't necessarily have to be art. On a side note, games that are considered art aren't superior to games that are not considered art.

OT: Your teacher is an example of the older generation refusing to take video games seriously and merely places them in a category as "worthless technology".
 

MaxP779

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Yeah your english teacher sucks lol, sounds like shes got a pretty backwards view on things, many games are like an interactive movie in a way as they have compelling storylines etc.
 

Tim Mazzola

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Eh, she's ignorant and primitive-minded. She's just living in the past. If she wants to be ignorant, ignore her.
 

MrAkuma201

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not insane but the older she is the less educated she will be about video games. You need too understand that back in the day movies and music where not considered an art form. Give it time and one (I hope) video games will be a art form.
 

DEAD34345

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Haha, no, she's just dumb and ignorant. I can understand the points some people make against video games being art (though i certainly don't agree with them), but to just make a statement like that is plain stupid.
 
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Well narrow minded and opinionated. Obviously not all games are art same as all movies are not art or at least not good art but some games and movies can be considered art.
 

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Keenanr1234 said:
Just today in middle school English, we got a writing prompt about means of communication (art, music, literature) affecting peoples lives. After my teacher started to take questions I asked if video games were a form of art, and what do I get? She almost burst out laughing then said "Of course video games aren't art, thats solely a worthless technology!" I later asked if movies were considered art and she said they were. Now how aren't they art, compared to movies of course. They both have actors, plot twists, romances in some of them. That seems pretty art like to me. Is my English teacher as insane as I think she is?
I did an essay/reprot on this a few months ago as part of my A-Level course. To put it bluntly, videogames are new. Film was not considered an art until long after the first movies came out, and video games have not been out very long.

However videogames have developed faster than other mediums. This creates a problem in the art world, with one half supporting videogames as an art and the other half not.

It is an on going debate but compared to other forms of media videogames are developing at a much fast rate. So I don't think it will be long until they become the next major art form.
 

KazOondo

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If you have to write some report, make it about an example of video game art. Take one of the story and atmosphere classics like Silent Hill 2 or FF7 or Portal or Half Life 2. It should be easy.
 

SageRuffin

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I wouldn't call a video game an art form myself either, and I game almost religiously (I know my limits however, heh). Nor would I do so for movies, or even a book.

Before you all attack me with flaming clubs and pitchforks, here me out. As a disclaimer, let me first say that you all and I will most likely not agree on this.

See, the way I figure, books, movies, and even video games are not nor will ever be an art in of themselves. Instead, I see them as amalgams of art forms. Analogies, if you will - you wouldn't call playing the guitar an art form, but the music created with the guitar certainly could be, correct? Hence my argument While books would be a bit harder to define given that most of them are simply written words, movies and video games are most definitely collections of various art forms. Video games feature various graphical and drawing styles, from the gritty and realistic of Call of Duty to the exaggerated and whimsical of Psychonauts. Video games feature music of all kinds, from the earth-shattering metal of Guilty Gear to the bass-pounding hip-hop of Madworld. Video games have all kinds of writing, from the philosophies of Jade Empire to the vomit-inducing piles of X-Blades.

In conclusion, simply because a game has some good music, graphics, or writing doesn't make the game itself "art", nor does does it make game designing itself an art form. Again, we probably won't agree on this, so all I can say is either take this with a grain of salt, or simply disregard this post altogether.
 

Woodsey

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I don't think they're art, but I don't see films as art either, so I dodge that issue I guess.

They're pieces of entertainment that can provide meaningful messages/interpretations/themes.
 

Rusty pumpkin

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Video games are probably the most personal form of art, traditional art is unique but can only be viewed in 1 way, the way the artist wanted. Movies are exactly the same, even more so because speculation is removed in most cases for flashiness or general appeal. Video games can be everything and anything, a hero embarked on some quest, a lone soldier in a war torn hell, a guilt ridden person entombed withing a symbolic nightmare. Multiplayer is a bit harder to defend, as it's pretty much put in to keep people playing the game. Point behind the slightly geeky stuff is that Video games can be like living a movie, book, or somehow jumping into a portrait,

(quote time): "the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance." so by all means, video games can be beautiful, appealing or of significance because we put ourselves into them.

(WOW I probably didn't need to write a freaking english project for a forums post... I'm going to do something to forget how nerdy that probably sounded.)
 

Jabberwock xeno

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I would have out witted her and logically beat her so damn fast the rest of the class would have said "BURNED!"
 

Mr. Google

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Give it 50 years we need all the people who were raised with out any video games at all to sort of...leave peacefully
 

hem dazon 90

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TuringTest said:
hem dazon 90 said:
No they aren't stop trying to make them art
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Wow. Really? Games aren't art. Despite the moving philosophical and emotional arguments that have been consisting in games for decades, they aren't and are completely incapable of ever being art.

...*Sigh*
Such great epic arguments as da bad guize r evul!11! and Natzees are meen!


I can see what you mean it's so philosophical
 

kannibus

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Well, I don't think we should be too quick to label video games as art.

WAIT WAIT WAIT!

Art to me is a personal kind of thing, so if I enjoy something then it becomes art. So to me, video games can be art, but only if I enjoy them. That means if it's a game I love, hell yeah it's art. Examples are Mass Effect, Wing Commander and Command and Conquer. But then again there are a slew of games WHICH OTHER PEOPLE LOVE, but I don't, pretty much every sports game falls into this category.

This is also I standard I apply to every other thing that people label as art. Music; I hate rap so that's not art to me, but I love power metal so the latter is art. Novels; Honor Harrington series = art, Twilight series = fart. Paintings; Artistry is found in a work like the "Death of Wolfe" but "Voice of Fire" is just a multi-million dollar piece of vomit stained excrement. Movies; Hunt for Red October is ultra cool art, but I hated the Godfather, fucking sue me I don't think it's art.

So I guess what I mean to say is that no single genre can ever be called art, after all, crap exists everywhere. M'IRIGHT?
 

TuringTest

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hem dazon 90 said:
TuringTest said:
hem dazon 90 said:
No they aren't stop trying to make them art
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Wow. Really? Games aren't art. Despite the moving philosophical and emotional arguments that have been consisting in games for decades, they aren't and are completely incapable of ever being art.

...*Sigh*
Such great epic arguments as da bad guize r evul!11! and Natzees are meen!


I can see what you mean it's so philosophical
...Obvious troll is obvious.
 

Dragonpit

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I think most people do not consider video games art simply because of the interactive nature they put forward. Most art comes in a fixed form once created and stay that way; we cannot manipulate them without destroying what makes it artistic. With video games, that is not so, or at least not always. Still, if writing, drawing, sculpting, and acting all pertain to what is known as art, then shouldn't video games, which wrap all four around its interactive medium, count as well? At least, that's my argument.
 

gabe12301

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In 30 years or so everyone will classify video games as art. Old people can't live forever.