Does DayZ have:xDarc said:First of all, you don't understand the argument. I believe I already made it abundantly clear that DayZ has the convenient position of not being the product in the package.Woodsey said:People make this argument as if it is has any weight whatsoever. If you pay for a game purely to play a user-made mod that's your own problem. Whether you bought it for DayZ or not, DayZ is not the product you bought.
The argument is that aside from a technical distinction; DayZ and WarZ are arguably similar games.
Both are unfinished, both borrow heavily from other games, both have major glitches and technical issues.
When DayZ is responsible for selling millions of copies of ARMA and people are unsatisfied, the gray area between the product and the mod makes this OK.
When WarZ tries to do essentially the same thing, but in a stand-alone package- it's taken off of Steam.
I think this is kind of hypocritical of Valve and shows that they genuinely do not give a shit. They'll take people's money to buy copies of ARMA knowing full well they're going to be playing DayZ; and they can hide behind the mod distinction and say, sorry, no refunds.
But when someone else goes to cash in on a stand alone platform, suddenly Valve is some great moral crusader? Bullshit. If the WarZ devs had instead tried to get an app on steam that was literally just a launcher and sold it for whatever; they could have offered the actual game as a mod ala DayZ and valve would happily have kept your money.
It's all bullshit.
Microtransactions after paying the box price?
Hostile terrain that will kill you from looking at it funny and is unintuitive to navigate?
Completely empty maps that have like 2 spots with anything good all camped by bandits?
Convenient ways to die due to utter bullshit, thus sucking more money out of your wallet so that you can be halfway competitive again? (seriously, it's like if LoL made you lose the skin every time you lost a match with that champ, forcing you to rebuy it if you really wanted it, and making skins give significant stat bonuses)
No? Well Okay, so there are some bad things about it, but does DayZ offer:
A single map that is half to 3/4 the size of what is advertised?
Sprint speeds that are slower than walking in the competitor while making the length and cooldown ridiculous?
A legal backbone that is LITERALLY COPY-PASTED FROM ANOTHER SOURCE, COMPLETE WITH SOURCE-SPECIFIC LEGAL MENTIONS NOT REMOVED?
Say what you want about the quality of the games, the #1 issue most people have is with the vampiric business practices, literally designed to fuck over anyone who doesn't want to spend wads of cash, all while under-serving its advertisements (illegal in pretty much any country this is relevant in) and being dicks when called out on it. This is why I'm glad to see this happen. Not because the game is any bad, but because the developers are douchebags in every sense of the word, and then some.
Oh, and a reminder for those out there who didn't already know: the lead developer of this was also the lead developer for Big Rigs Over the Road Racing.