Was it prudent of Jennifer Lawrence to take pictures of herself nude in the first place? Y/N?

[Ryotknife]

While im against the trend of how nobody seems to be responsible for their actions, in this case they didnt do anything wrong. They didnt install a virus, they didnt share their password, they didnt post these pictures to the public or to someone else, they didnt pick a dumb password like 12345, etc.

Now if, for example, i leave my car unlocked and someone stole a bunch of items from my car, then yes im partially at fault for being a dumbass. But this case is the equivalent of locking your windows and doors at night only for a burglar to dig a tunnel into your basement and steal your stuff.

Apple is partially at fault for allowing this breach to happen, and obviously the people who stole them. although, no one should be shocked that anything that you put on the internet can be compromised, but there has to be some level of trust in these systems in order for them to work.

 

[otakon17]

I am not victim blaming here. She didn't invite this leak to happen by doing so, but I feel she did expose herself without thinking of the possible consequences. It is a simple thing not to take pictures of yourself and then send them over a network to a phone that could possibly be stolen. Especially considering she's a celebrity and in the United States there is an unhealthy obsession with them in my opinion generally. You can't do things like this as a public figure if only to avoid possibly incriminating yourself.

I close with the following points:
1. She did not invite this invasion of privacy by taking these photographs. No one(save certain situations) has the right to do this kind of thing.
2. I am not blaming her for what happened to her. The one responsible is the asshole that got a hold of them.
3. I am NOT condoning the actions of said asshole.
4. And to all those that downloaded said pictures and use "Well she shouldn't have taken them in the first place.", fuck off that's not the point of the argument to justify your invasion of a woman's privacy.

I do not condone this turn of events and do not blame her for them. I simply feel that if she should not have taken compromising pictures of herself in the first place.

EDIT: In light of EVERYONE saying I am victim blaming, I have changed the title of the topic to more accurately reflect my view on the matter.

Yes, it was prudent as we have no idea the reason as to why she did it. Nor should we be privy to that. So I think it's safe to assume that she acts with agency one can expect one to utilize in the process of actions. I also think it's safe to say that you are a troll for this trollish post. There is no possible situation that could have come from this post that would lead to this post being worthwhile in any sense of the word.

This isn't a troll post, I just think it was pretty reckless to take pictures of yourself nude, regardless of who you are and upload them from your phone to the "cloud". It's not very prudent to huff paint but people do it anyway for the high, it's not prudent to drive way faster than the speed limit but people do it to get places quicker/for the high, it's not very prudent to eat really spicy food, but do it anyway for the flavor. Point I'm making, even if you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Taking nude photos of yourself, regardless of medium, is risky as there is always the chance of someone not meant to, finding them. Putting them out digitally in any form, doubly so.

I never said she wasn't allowed to take the photos, why does everyone keep inserting that into their rebuttal?

There is literally nowhere else to go with this! You aren't making posts about spicy foods or paint huffers,and you don't because it's a meaningless post with nothing to it. You are making a post about putting the blame on a victim. You couldn't make a post about how Travon Martin shouldn't have taken pictures of himself with pot without being blamed for your racism. There isn't anywhere else to go with what we are given. It's a non-issue, her taking nude photos, she is allowed, end of story. She should just assume they will be stolen and therefore be able to know "right" from "wrong" and not take them, that is what you are implying. That logic doesn't fly, the pictures were stolen, she locked her "house" she didn't just leave them lying around. Prudency is just a filter, we have to assume you are using this to filter your intentions. You haven't convinced me at all btw.

I am so tired of this going to victim blaming, I'm not saying she's at fault they were stolen. However, she made a mistake in doing what she did.

 

[Artaneius]

There's a difference between victim blaming and just not being responsible. So I guess it's ok for me to have pictures of rape or child porn on my phone because it's "my business". In a society there's suppose to be rules and regulations that force individuals to live like civilized human beings. Too many people think that "constitution" rights are guaranteed. Rights are not rights, they're privileges that can be taken away and infringed upon at anytime by both the government and the owners of corporations that tell the government what's in their best interest unless they want to shutdown. Want an example or two?

Look at the internment camps Japanese Americans were forced in during WW2. They were forced into camps without due process or any say whatsoever. Guess those rights aren't really rights are they when someone with a bigger gun than you can take them away?

Look at business and news forums everywhere constantly controlling, banning, or downright suppression any kind of information that's against whatever business that website is a part of. Freedom of press is constantly and always been infringed upon, even when the right was first declared.

Your responsible for anything negative that happens to you. If someone manages to find dirt on you, maybe you shouldn't of caused that dirt in the first place? People wanting to have a life and make big mistakes is and has always been a fallacy. Start thinking and planning ahead instead of "living a life and having fun as biggest priority". Anyone who puts having fun and having a life over work and responsibility is a waste of resources and time.

 

[vIRL Nightmare]

I just, I can't even comprehend the train og thought, the logic in thinking, "Hm I'm hugely famous and not a fucking pornstar so I'm just going to take some naked pictures of myself with a device that has internet access after nary a few months ago most news sites were plastered with things like heart-bleed and how not secure anything was. If they wanted the nude images as a form of art then they should have no need to be hurt or offended to this degree, if the photos were made for any reason other than art then I just can't understand why anyone would think this was a good idea.

Or, or, hear me out here - or they just wanted to be a bit sexy with themselves or a partner. Maybe, rather than type out seven paragraphs concerning what you think of the victims of a crime, you should either say nothing, condemn the criminals, or offer advice - such as, "if you have nudes, I'd take them out of the cloud to be safe."

Here's some advice. Don't do it ever for any reason through any means. It is a very poor life decision to not consider the consequences of your actions because you wanted a little sexy time when you can alternatively do so in the presence of your intended individual. There is no reason for anyone to be surprised about this. Nudes and sex videos have been a thing for a very long time, decades easily and though you are not as wrong as the creep that stole your pictures you are still in the wrong by ignorance because we like to say ignorance isn't an excuse for everything else so why be contrary to that on this specific case other than it is obvious media viewer bait.

That said I did give my input my advice if you will multiple times. That advice being don't do it and don't be so upset when you fail to consider possible consequences of your actions.

Your advice to help avoid having a crime committed upon you, is to limit your behaviour by removing something you enjoy from your life entirely. Again, no regard for the victims. Again, flat out telling someone not to do a perfectly legal, healthy form of sexual expression.

If you want to avoid having your possessions stolen, ladies, just listen to Nightmare here and have none. Also, when your belongings are stolen, don't be upset, because you had it coming.

Under that limited and narrow view yes I'm satan. Having your possessions, money, even as i pointed out photos stolen sucks and it is the crook that is wrong for stealing anything. I'm addressing the issue as to why anyone is dumb enough to take naked photos of themselves at all. Perhaps I should clarify that despite that I think, not just the lass but all of those individuals that had their photos stolen are in fact victims and that no one has any right stealing another's possessions and that I'm not ignorant enough to say don't have things if you don't want them stolen.I suppose I should also clarify my point was why anyone is stupid enough to have naked photos of themselves in the first place especially considering what that could do to you if the wrong person stole it. I suppose I should grovel at my opinion of daring to say people need to think about the consequences of having that lapse in judgement that possesses you to think naked photos of yourself is in anyway a good idea to have lying around. However I don't think I'll continue on with someone that is clearly looking for the misogynist in the room when it turns out he i.e. me is talking about more than just one girl and how everyone who got their private photos spilled, though victims and deserving some sympathy made the grievous and I would think obvious mistake of taking nudes of themselves. I've never heard of a story where that was a good thing for anyone but hey thanks for making my little explosion into something it wasn't.

 

[Johnny Impact]

I am not victim blaming here

plus

I simply feel that if[sic] she should not have taken compromising pictures of herself in the first place.

equals hypocrisy.

What if her banking info had been stolen, her accounts cleaned out? Would you say she shouldn't have given her money to a bank in the first place?

Also, if you looked the way she does, you'd want to take nude photos of yourself, too. Just sayin'.

 

[vIRL Nightmare]

Dumb enough to take naked photos of themselves at all

...

Why anyone is stupid enough to have naked photos of themselves in the first place

Twice in your rant you refer to the victims of a crime as dumb and stupid for expressing their own sexuality and storing their private belongings in a protected server akin to a safe -- that was sadly broken into. Your only argument to support your claim that these victims (and myself, as I indeed have naked pictures of myself) are idiots, is... they could be stolen and that would be bad. Let me debunk your entire argument here with a simple hypothetical scenario:

An indie dev is working on their first major video game. They are almost ready to put it up for the Greenlight community on Steam. They have enjoyed making video games for many years and doing so brings them great joy. Then, without provocation, their servers are broken into and their content stolen. The thief sees this game in progress and decides to release it to the public as their own game. They are first to market and despite the small legal effort the indie developer can muster, the damage is done, the game is in the public eye and their big break is a big bust.

What you have here is the victim of a crime suffering a major loss thanks to a thief deciding the contents of their servers were up for grabs. If the indie dev hadn't stored their game on a server - or indeed stored it at all - there'd be nothing to steal. Having something stored and saved that could harm them greatly - as you put it - has ultimately resulted in irreversible damage. Using your own logic, it's clear no one should ever store any form of work.

Yes, that is absurd and I know full well you will think the same. But that's what your logic dictates. This is what is called reductio ad absurdum - taking the logic of an argument to a different extreme to demonstrate its absurdity. You think nudes are bad and have constructed this argument to suit that belief, but using the method just explained, I have shown you why it doesn't hold any water.

Fair enough, however the context needs to be changed when applying my point to something else. Perhaps only I think this way but it seems to me that there is an extreme lapse in judgement to take nudes of yourself. It is not an extreme lapse injudgement to try and make an indie game. Perhaps to correct my issue with this whole situation my problem is with what seems to be poor judgement without considering future ramifications, my line of think is in terms of like driving drunk, aggravating dangerous animals, lighting houses on fire things that seem like obvious don't do's and I personally feel having nude photos of yourself falls in that list because of how unsecure things really are. It sucks her privacy was invaded in that way and to say I have no sympathy on the situation wouldn't be accurate. I do however think that she, and everyone else who had their privacy invaded like that let's not forget there are several celebrities currently affected by this are probably having that moment where they're thinking, "Why did I take those nudes". I don't think they deserve to feel that way or to have their privacy invaded, god no I believe it is wrong to do anything harmful to any person undeserving of it but the things is it did happen to them and that they made the decision to have those photos when we all should know how unsecure most things are in the following events of heartbleed and the current situations with supposed unknown cell towers made the situation worse. It's easy to say that I'm saying that having things makes you bad, but that is the furthest thing from my intentions or meaning. What I'm saying is even if it is something silly like posting a bunch of images of your home you, me we, all of us needs to stop and think if what we're doing could negatively impact us and whether or not we're ok with that risk, and naked pictures of yourself should be on that list.

I get applying logic to different situations to make a point, but the context and meaning should remain the same as well, or if my point be unclear as I admittedly ranted in a difficult to follow manner point out my apparently flawed logic. Without the same context and meaning I could effectively change the intent of the message.

 

[Archer666]

I haven't been keeping up with this whole thing, so disregard this if it's really wrong.

Nothing wrong with taking pictures of yourself naked. Nobody's an idiot for doing that. However, if you put the pictures on something with internet/cloud access, especially when you're a celebrity, then you're an idiot. People get hacked all the time, celebrity photos get leaked, the sky is blue. Keep that shit offline somewhere or secure your PC properly.

 

[blackrave]

While I don't understand taking your own nude pics (goddamn narcissists)
I don't think that she is somehow responsible for leak of said pics
If she posted them on some public platform and then became upset that people save them on their hard drives it would be different
But her nude pictures were STOLEN

So to make it clear
Was taking her own nude pictures dumb?
Yes.
Did she deserved them being leaked?
No.


P.S. And seriously people, stop overreacting to nude pictures. Surprise, there isn't void under our clothes.

 

[Archer666]

I haven't been keeping up with this whole thing, so disregard this if it's really wrong.

Nothing wrong with taking pictures of yourself naked. Nobody's an idiot for doing that. However, if you put the pictures on something with internet/cloud access, especially when you're a celebrity, then you're an idiot. People get hacked all the time, celebrity photos get leaked, the sky is blue. Keep that shit offline somewhere or secure your PC properly.

You just called someone an idiot for storing their content on a password protected server that was broken into. I checked your profile and it seems you have purchased many games from Steam. That means you have punched your financial information into the computer and via the internet this information has been sent to the Steam servers. But it's only idiotic when anyone but you does it, right?

Of course it's not. And I'd agree with you, except the payment method I use for Steam doesn't involve punching my financial stuff into the service. So Steam doesn't get my financial information. Perhaps you should look into payment methods for Steam first, instead of just clicking my account.

And even if you were right, of course that'd make me an idiot. I'm not above making bad decisions. But it doesn't make storing incriminating pictures on a cloud based service any less idiotic.

 

[Archer666]

But it doesn't make storing incriminating pictures on a cloud based service any less idiotic.

"Incriminating"?


Really? Being nude is a crime, now?

You people. I don't even understand.

Wrong choice of words, sorry. English is not my first language. Should have just said "Storing pictures of yourself nude". My bad.

 

[marscentral]

Millions of people trust Amazon and Steam and a thousand other companies with their financial and personal information that could be used for fraud, identity theft or just plain stealing. Big companies do get hacked and lose their customers' personal data. Sony did back in 2011 and they were fined for it. People still trust them with that data today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21160818

Jennifer Lawrence and the other celebrities hacked are no different than the victims of most over cyber crimes, they expected privacy and it was invaded. Blame the hacker, definitely. Blame Apple for not having decent security, sure. But we don't blame people for being naive to the lengths some sad freak will go to invade their personal life on technology most people don't really understand.

 

[carnex]

Here is the question, a simple one, for everyone in this thread.

Can you distinguish between blaming the victim, exploring causes which does include scrutinizing victims actions and tracking victim's action in search of weak spots for possible future prevention?

 

[carnex]

Here is the question, a simple one, for everyone in this thread.

Can you distinguish between blaming the victim, exploring causes which does include scrutinizing victims actions and tracking victim's action in search of weak spots for possible future prevention?

You worded that very confusingly.

Is it -

Can you distinguish between blaming the victim, and exploring causes which does include scrutinizing victims actions and tracking victim's action in search of weak spots for possible future prevention?

Or -

Can you distinguish between blaming the victim, exploring causes which does include scrutinizing victims actions, and tracking victim's action in search of weak spots for possible future prevention?

Neither are very clear, actually.

To me they are very clear. What might confuse it is that all three involve picking apart everything that led to event, including victim's action. What is different is what you do with the data you gather. Which, frankly, depends partly on what you find. But

- You can use it to blame victim
- You can use it as pure data, for statistical purposes for example
- You can use it as security test and educational tool

And I'm all about the third. Empathy for the victim is nice and heartwarming but it fixes exactly jack shit.

P.S. I'm not exactly people's person, I know. But damn, I'm data person this I do believe that you can prevent more people being victimized by educating them and giving them proverbial/metaphorical "slap of sanity" from time to time to make them pay attention.

 

[carnex]

Here is the question, a simple one, for everyone in this thread.

Can you distinguish between blaming the victim, exploring causes which does include scrutinizing victims actions and tracking victim's action in search of weak spots for possible future prevention?

Perhaps when we discuss cybercrimes like these we don't talk about the victims, and rather focus on how to improve server-side security and maybe provide links to guides on how to safeguard online data storage from the user's end?

The fact that you try to scrutinize the victims at all is the problem. They don't need your Monday morning quarterbacking telling them how they are idiots for being victimized.

Does any of those celebrities red this? I would say No. So I don't believe I0m rubbing it in their faces when I'm typing this. Cloud will always be vulnerable, that is the point that people should learn already. I know it shouldn't be, but even if the machine is perfect, people are not.

 

[carnex]

Does any of those celebrities red this? I would say No. So I don't believe I0m rubbing it in their faces when I'm typing this.

You've completely missed the point. It isn't that they read it, it's that you wrote it.

Wow, hold on there. Nothing and no one, and i to mean nothing and one is beyond reproach. Having an open discussion about event that includes a person does not mean that one discusses person itself. I don't know her. Frankly I don't want to know her, I don't care. What I care about is that shit happened, why it happened and how to help it not happening again. Also, that is my job too, so call it professional deformation if you wish.

I don't think the celebrities that had their possessions stolen need the advice, actually. You know, considering they are the victims of the crime and know exactly how it happened.

*Man is hit by car*
You: "See, what you did wrong there was get hit by a car."

Do you think he'll be walking on the road any time soon? Because I don't. Nor will those women have their images on that server right now.

My view would be for example.

Was he walking on road or sidewalk
- Road - Why the fuck was he walking on road? That is dangerous. See, waking down the road is stupid idea.
- Sidewalk - What the hell happened for driver to hop onto sidewalk.

And it's not about victim's future behavior. They learned their lesson the hard way. I'm talking about other 7+ billion people on planet earth.

 

[funnydude6556]

NO. No it wasn't prudent of Jennifer Lawrence to post pictures of herself nude, she has every right to do that. The only reason these pictures are on the net is because of selfish hackers who like to think Jennifer being a celebrity entitles them to disrupt her privacy whenever they see fit and it's wrong, she never posted them on the internet so it's not her fault. What is it with this idea that the moment someone becomes famous they lose all rights to privacy? That's just wrong and it just annoys me that we have allowed ourselves to believe that since it is so hard to stop something like this from happening that we should just except it.

That's not right either. Yes once something has gone up it becomes incredible hard to take it down but we could at least not spread the pictures or better yet just not look them up. Also the basic argument being used? I have one of my own. If your house was broken into would you then go "Well I trusted the house alarm to protect my house and the police to catch the burglar therefore it's my fault!" NO. YOU. WOULDN'T. Yes Jennifer and a number of people trusted that their pictures would be safe but that doesn't mean we can place the blame on them. I mean is that the society you really want to live in? Blame the victim they should have known better. It's not one I'd want to live in.

 

[Archer666]

incriminating pictures

Well, your position on sex and women just became abundantly clear, didn't it.

Of course it's not. And I'd agree with you, except the payment method I use for Steam doesn't involve punching my financial stuff into the service.

Alright. I was wrong about Steam. How about a credit card? Paypal? Ever have money in your pocket? Ever park your car outside a locked garage for any length of time? The point is, to argue that one is stupid for participating in a perfectly normal facet of life is ridiculous. You wouldn't be an idiot if your information was stolen and they aren't idiots for having their protected information broken into.

Also, notice you've said nothing at all about the crime or the criminals? Think on it.

Yeah, that was a hilariously wrong choice of words. That's what I get for trying to use fancy words, I guess. Already apologized for it a few posts back.

Even if it "a perfectly normal facet of life", you still should think about the risks you're taking using them. Cash can be stolen, fraud can be committed, that car park can be broken into and your car stolen. Returning to Steam, I had my account stolen a few times. You weight the cons against the pros and make your choice. At least, that's how a reasonable adult should do it.

She obviously didn't think it through, which is stupid and in the end she only has herself to blame for putting those pictures on a cloud based service.

The crime and criminals? Do I really have to, though? I doubt my opinions any different than anyones here: It sucks that it happened to her, the criminals are bad and I hope they get punished for breaking the law.

 

[CaptainCoxwaggle]

I take nude pictures of myself all the time so I can understand her position, however you should always be careful of putting any sort of personal information online and are responsible for any security breach.

There is a reason why I don't have a facebook, it's totally not because I have no friends.

 

[blackrave]

I take nude pictures of myself all the time so I can understand her position...snip

May I ask why?
Do you know how your body looks like?
Yes you do.
Does your significant other knows how your body looks like?
Most probably yes.
Unless you both suffer from occasional amnesia I see no point of taking naked pictures.
I can't see any logical reason why someone would like to do something like that.
I just can't wrap my head around this... hobby (I guess I could call it like that)

 

[DayDark]

I take nude pictures of myself all the time so I can understand her position...snip

May I ask why?
Do you know how your body looks like?
Yes you do.
Does your significant other knows how your body looks like?
Most probably yes.
Unless you both suffer from occasional amnesia I see no point of taking naked pictures.
I can't see any logical reason why someone would like to do something like that.
I just can't wrap my head around this... hobby (I guess I could call it like that)

I also take nudes of myself, so for me it is because i work out a lot and track my progress, another reason is that it is fun and exciting to turn someone on, while they aren't around, a picture says a thousand words, so instead of writing a huge sext, i can take one picture that says it all. Also i know how a woman looks, but i still watch porn or love to receive naked photos of my gf, it's hot, it's exciting.