Was it prudent of Jennifer Lawrence to take pictures of herself nude in the first place? Y/N?

funnydude6556

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NO. No it wasn't prudent of Jennifer Lawrence to post pictures of herself nude, she has every right to do that. The only reason these pictures are on the net is because of selfish hackers who like to think Jennifer being a celebrity entitles them to disrupt her privacy whenever they see fit and it's wrong, she never posted them on the internet so it's not her fault. What is it with this idea that the moment someone becomes famous they lose all rights to privacy? That's just wrong and it just annoys me that we have allowed ourselves to believe that since it is so hard to stop something like this from happening that we should just except it.

That's not right either. Yes once something has gone up it becomes incredible hard to take it down but we could at least not spread the pictures or better yet just not look them up. Also the basic argument being used? I have one of my own. If your house was broken into would you then go "Well I trusted the house alarm to protect my house and the police to catch the burglar therefore it's my fault!" NO. YOU. WOULDN'T. Yes Jennifer and a number of people trusted that their pictures would be safe but that doesn't mean we can place the blame on them. I mean is that the society you really want to live in? Blame the victim they should have known better. It's not one I'd want to live in.
 

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Rocket Girl said:
Archer666 said:
incriminating pictures
Well, your position on sex and women just became abundantly clear, didn't it.

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Of course it's not. And I'd agree with you, except the payment method I use for Steam doesn't involve punching my financial stuff into the service.
Alright. I was wrong about Steam. How about a credit card? Paypal? Ever have money in your pocket? Ever park your car outside a locked garage for any length of time? The point is, to argue that one is stupid for participating in a perfectly normal facet of life is ridiculous. You wouldn't be an idiot if your information was stolen and they aren't idiots for having their protected information broken into.

Also, notice you've said nothing at all about the crime or the criminals? Think on it.
Yeah, that was a hilariously wrong choice of words. That's what I get for trying to use fancy words, I guess. Already apologized for it a few posts back.

Even if it "a perfectly normal facet of life", you still should think about the risks you're taking using them. Cash can be stolen, fraud can be committed, that car park can be broken into and your car stolen. Returning to Steam, I had my account stolen a few times. You weight the cons against the pros and make your choice. At least, that's how a reasonable adult should do it.

She obviously didn't think it through, which is stupid and in the end she only has herself to blame for putting those pictures on a cloud based service.

The crime and criminals? Do I really have to, though? I doubt my opinions any different than anyones here: It sucks that it happened to her, the criminals are bad and I hope they get punished for breaking the law.
 

CaptainCoxwaggle

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I take nude pictures of myself all the time so I can understand her position, however you should always be careful of putting any sort of personal information online and are responsible for any security breach.

There is a reason why I don't have a facebook, it's totally not because I have no friends.
 

blackrave

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CaptainCoxwaggle said:
I take nude pictures of myself all the time so I can understand her position...snip
May I ask why?
Do you know how your body looks like?
Yes you do.
Does your significant other knows how your body looks like?
Most probably yes.
Unless you both suffer from occasional amnesia I see no point of taking naked pictures.
I can't see any logical reason why someone would like to do something like that.
I just can't wrap my head around this... hobby (I guess I could call it like that)
 

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blackrave said:
CaptainCoxwaggle said:
I take nude pictures of myself all the time so I can understand her position...snip
May I ask why?
Do you know how your body looks like?
Yes you do.
Does your significant other knows how your body looks like?
Most probably yes.
Unless you both suffer from occasional amnesia I see no point of taking naked pictures.
I can't see any logical reason why someone would like to do something like that.
I just can't wrap my head around this... hobby (I guess I could call it like that)
I also take nudes of myself, so for me it is because i work out a lot and track my progress, another reason is that it is fun and exciting to turn someone on, while they aren't around, a picture says a thousand words, so instead of writing a huge sext, i can take one picture that says it all. Also i know how a woman looks, but i still watch porn or love to receive naked photos of my gf, it's hot, it's exciting.
 

Remus

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She played Mystique, full body prosthetic and all. I don't think it's difficult to picture how she would look nude. The better question, is why would a person want to hack her devices to get at these pictures?
 

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Remus said:
She played Mystique, full body prosthetic and all. I don't think it's difficult to picture how she would look nude. The better question, is why would a person want to hack her devices to get at these pictures?
One way or another, somebody made a profit.

My take on this is the following;
We just witnessed a public figure learn a valuable lesson; that no matter how many settings you set to 'private', anything you post on the internet should be considered public and eternal.
 

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For as long as there have been means to capture an image of oneself, there have been people who decided to use those means to immortalise their various bits and bobs. Going with the assumption that all the celebrities involved in this are consenting adults who willingly took pictures/had pictures taken of them, they're just being like everyone else who does so. A reasonable person who takes pictures such as these would expect that those photos are likely to be safe on their device/in the cloud and will stay private. Taking that into account, and assuming your common-or-garden celebrity has a similar mindset to the average person, I think asking whether taking the photos was a prudent choice is probably the wrong question to be asking. Most of these things are a spur of the moment kind of idea and, with the promised security of the cloud and/or whatever device you're using to take them, I imagine that thoughts of them getting stolen and spread to the world don't really figure at that point in time.

To get back more to the question, I don't think she made a mistake in taking them because I assume that at the time they were taken, in her mind those photos would be stored safely and securely. To say it another way, if I go on holiday and I store my valuables in my room's safe, if that safe is then broken into did I make a mistake in assuming that my things would be safe in the safe? While not the same situation (adding the internet in always complicates things somewhat), it still comes down to victim blaming.

The question should not be "should X have taken naked photos of themselves" but rather "why did Y feel the need to hack into X's cloud storage and distribute private photos without the knowledge or consent of X?"
 

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Telling someone they shouldn't have taken nudes of themselves because they were stolen make as much sense as telling someone who has had their shoes stolen that they shouldn't have owned shoes in the first place if they didn't want them stole.
I wonder, how many people are actually saying that, and how much is you (intentionally or not) missing any sense of nuance?

My personal opinion is: Don't take nudes of yourself.

That doesn't change the fact that I, personally, think whoever it was who decided to go through people's personal files is a remarkably shitty person doing a remarkably shitty thing. Nor does that, in turn, change the fact that I think taking nudes of oneself is a bad idea!
 

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Fenrox Jackson said:
otakon17 said:
Fenrox Jackson said:
otakon17 said:
Fenrox Jackson said:
otakon17 said:
I am not victim blaming here. She didn't invite this leak to happen by doing so, but I feel she did expose herself without thinking of the possible consequences. It is a simple thing not to take pictures of yourself and then send them over a network to a phone that could possibly be stolen. Especially considering she's a celebrity and in the United States there is an unhealthy obsession with them in my opinion generally. You can't do things like this as a public figure if only to avoid possibly incriminating yourself.

I close with the following points:
1. She did not invite this invasion of privacy by taking these photographs. No one(save certain situations) has the right to do this kind of thing.
2. I am not blaming her for what happened to her. The one responsible is the asshole that got a hold of them.
3. I am NOT condoning the actions of said asshole.
4. And to all those that downloaded said pictures and use "Well she shouldn't have taken them in the first place.", fuck off that's not the point of the argument to justify your invasion of a woman's privacy.

I do not condone this turn of events and do not blame her for them. I simply feel that if she should not have taken compromising pictures of herself in the first place.

EDIT: In light of EVERYONE saying I am victim blaming, I have changed the title of the topic to more accurately reflect my view on the matter.
Yes, it was prudent as we have no idea the reason as to why she did it. Nor should we be privy to that. So I think it's safe to assume that she acts with agency one can expect one to utilize in the process of actions. I also think it's safe to say that you are a troll for this trollish post. There is no possible situation that could have come from this post that would lead to this post being worthwhile in any sense of the word.
This isn't a troll post, I just think it was pretty reckless to take pictures of yourself nude, regardless of who you are and upload them from your phone to the "cloud". It's not very prudent to huff paint but people do it anyway for the high, it's not prudent to drive way faster than the speed limit but people do it to get places quicker/for the high, it's not very prudent to eat really spicy food, but do it anyway for the flavor. Point I'm making, even if you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Taking nude photos of yourself, regardless of medium, is risky as there is always the chance of someone not meant to, finding them. Putting them out digitally in any form, doubly so.

I never said she wasn't allowed to take the photos, why does everyone keep inserting that into their rebuttal?
There is literally nowhere else to go with this! You aren't making posts about spicy foods or paint huffers,and you don't because it's a meaningless post with nothing to it. You are making a post about putting the blame on a victim. You couldn't make a post about how Travon Martin shouldn't have taken pictures of himself with pot without being blamed for your racism. There isn't anywhere else to go with what we are given. It's a non-issue, her taking nude photos, she is allowed, end of story. She should just assume they will be stolen and therefore be able to know "right" from "wrong" and not take them, that is what you are implying. That logic doesn't fly, the pictures were stolen, she locked her "house" she didn't just leave them lying around. Prudency is just a filter, we have to assume you are using this to filter your intentions. You haven't convinced me at all btw.
I am so tired of this going to victim blaming, I'm not saying she's at fault they were stolen. However, she made a mistake in doing what she did.
You can't do that! Mistake is a judgement, you are judging her for being a victim in this. You are saying that she should have displayed the foresight to allow herself to not get caught up in this. Something she couldn't have done. There is inherent risk in everything. Should she also change behind locked doors in windowless rooms for her life so that nobody can spy on her?

THIS GETS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF THE JUDGEMENT.

So stop! You don't get to ask this after this scandal, IT IS AT IT'S MOST BASE LEVEL, BLAMING THE VICTIM. You are only asking because you see the story in the news, you are judging her, you make this post to convey YOUR judgement! There is no innocent, non-biased question to ask here! That position DOES NOT EXIST. YOU ARE CALLING HER STUPID FOR BEING HACKED. Prudent means to act with thought to the future, to be wise and smart and you are saying she wasn't those things.

MAYBE THERE IS MORE TO THIS FOR YOU THAN YOU THINK THERE IS.
I can't do what? Say that taking nudes of yourself then uploading them was and remains to be a bad idea(unless that's your line of work however). You're getting really worked up over this, you don't agree with me, fine. No one is completely blameless in anything, we all make mistakes.

I'm not calling her stupid for being hacked. I said she made a mistake by taking nude photos of herself and keeping them anywhere in the network. And so what if I am? You know there are stupid victims out there too, right? That doesn't make it right on what happened to them but it still occurs. You want to get angry? Don't go after me, who's pointing out the obvious, go after the assholes that take advantage of the mistakes of others. They're the ones you should be pissed at.
 

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It's not right. Is there anyone here who honestly Believes hacking phones and stealing nude pictures is right?

However, Are we honestly THAT surprised it happened? Where was this outrage when Scarlett Johansen got hacked? Didn't Conan O'Brien crack jokes when about how lucky we were when Christina Hendricks got hacked? Or how about that judge that allowed for the sale of the Pam and Tommy sex tape?

Maybe we finally grew up and realized it was wrong (which upsets me even more if that's the case), but the idea that thinking that because you publicly say its wrong doesn't mean people aren't going to get these. The fact of the matter is if you don't want this to happen to digital photos the only 100% safe method to keep them from getting hacked (just like the only 100% way to make sure your company doccuments don't get stolen is to not store them online, or the only 100% certain way to make sure your online purchase history never gets discovered is to not buy things online). If anyone has a 100% method of shit not getting stolen and still being online please step forward so every company on Earth can give you all the money you could ever want.

If it makes you feel better, it's a crime and these people do go to jail . The guy who hacked scarlett johansen got 10 years. I'm a little tired of hearing the same thing over and over about how its wrong and seeing the same guys and girls who showed me the pictures talk about how all people who have even seen it are horrid human beings (except themselves because research amirigh?). It reminds me of those Fox News outrage peices on sex where they show nothing but raunchy stuff while denouncing it.

The video that comes closest to describing how I feel on this matter is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJncUil1cC4

The quote for people who are that excited about this "WOW, YOU SAW JENIFER LAWRENCE'S TITTIES? GOOD FOR YOU! YOU'RE SO SPECIAL! Who is honestly getting off to this...this is the internet where I can see thousands of girls get fucked in every position imaginable and unimaginable... If she's not blindfolded and upside down getting fucked in every hole by five guys I can't even begin to get half an errection."
 

Amir Kondori

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She can take nude photos if she wants to. She can express her sexuality if she wants to. She shouldn't feel like she has to curtail her own legal behaviors because someone might, sometime in the future, illegally hack her phone and expose her private photos.

That is super backwards thinking dude.
 

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Why the hell everyone is focusing on the ethical side of the story and not the real issue which is cloud security? People affected should file a class action suit against Apple, perhaps their celebrity status would help in holding the company accountable for obvious carelessness and ignorance when it comes to providing a secure service to store private data.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Lets try victim blaming in a way to highlight how stupid it really is.

"You know that incident where Target was hacked and all that credit card information was stolen? I can't feel sorry for any of them, and they should've just avoided using their cards."

"Well if they didn't want their home to be burlarized, they shouldn't have owned anything worth stealing."

"Those people who died in 9/11 should've known better than to work in a skyscraper. Its their own fault that they're dead."

"Those kids who died in thats school shooting could've avoided that fate if they had just dropped out."

I think there's a reasonable expectation of privacy in regards to storing photographs on a private, the same way that there's a reasonable expectation of not having your physical property stolen within your home being stolen, or the expectation of not getting murdered when attending school or work.
On the flip side:

"If Bob had worn his seatbelt when he crashed his car into that tree he might still be alive"

"If Steve had stopped golfing when that thunderstorm started, maybe he wouldn't have been hit by lightning"

"If she had used birth control/protection when she had sex then maybe she wouldn't have an unwanted baby."


I don't get why everyone always scream "VICTIM BLAMING!!!!!!!11!!!!!!" whenever someone tries to point out that sometimes there are things that the victim did that may have exacerbated or initiated a situation, or things that they could have done that would have mitigated or prevented the situation entirely. Things are never so black and white as "Victim is completely innocent, perpetrator is an evil soulless piece of shit".

It doesn't make it the ONLY the victim's fault when they fail to mitigate their risks, but it does mean that they subjected themselves to a higher risk of being victimized, and so they had a role in their own victimization, whether intentional or accidental.

As for this Jennifer Lawrence thing... I don't claim to know much about it because I frankly don't give a shit about her or her personal issues. But when she takes naked pictures of herself she's taking on a risk of them getting leaked. If she wanted to mitigate that risk, she could have taken the pictures with a camera with no internet connectivity (ie. not a cell phone), shared the pictures only personally or in hard copies to only the intended recipient and avoid trusting as many people as possible with her privacy. This doesn't mean its impossible that they'd still have leaked, but it would GREATLY reduce her risk of having them leaked.

The person who leaked the photos is still in the wrong here and should be found and appropriately punished... But I don't know what if any means that she took to reduce the risk of leaks on an internet system that is inherently leaky...
 

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It's the wrong question to ask. Obviously it's a no brainer that it wasn't "prudent" but that's not the debate. The question is "should she have taken them?".