Watchmen (the comic)
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I bought it and finished it within 4 days. I can't wait to see the movie. I pray that it won't suck.
GloatingSwine said:
There are several explosions around the world, not just in New York. The reason the Russians wouldn't think the US attacked is beacuse they were trying to bait the US into an attack using Manhattan by moving closer to Afghanistan. The reason the US wouldn't suspect a nuclear attack is beacuse there's no nuclear fallout from the explosion (Laurie would've died within two seconds if that were the case) and they would have able to observe that it wasn't a nuclear explosion, plus they had no inkling that Russia had fired a missile.
In the end, the world is united against the walking deterrent. The being that is beginning to be indiscriminate of humanity...sounds like an A-Bomb don't it? They are united against the idea of nuclear war as represented by Dr Manhattan, and the only way they saw the folly of their action is when there is a demonstration of the consequences. But of course 'nothing ever ends' and being shown the consequences won't ever stop man from stockpiling nuclear weapons (as with Hiroshima), so I think the film ending is a bittersweet one.
The book ending ends with an extra-dimensional being attacking New York City. It takes the threat of an unpercieved threat, of the unknown to stop humanity from spirralling out of control. The unkown is far greater than the horror the imagination can conjure, snd it takes a team of artists known for exploring the dark side of humanity to realise the creature.
The book ends with the only way humanity could ever unite in peace is to percieve another threat from an alien dimension (Russia pre-squid). Of course 'nothing ever changes' and the peace will not last. After all, America was supposed to be united against an alien power yet the worst of humanity which both reflected and drove the fear of nuclear anhilation was present in that society.
So both endings have their merits, and both endings reflect the themes present in the book and film well. They're both bittersweet, and the film ending could have been a lot worse.
Now, let's all make some hot cocoa and stop the fussin' and a feudin'
In the end, the world is united against the walking deterrent. The being that is beginning to be indiscriminate of humanity...sounds like an A-Bomb don't it? They are united against the idea of nuclear war as represented by Dr Manhattan, and the only way they saw the folly of their action is when there is a demonstration of the consequences. But of course 'nothing ever ends' and being shown the consequences won't ever stop man from stockpiling nuclear weapons (as with Hiroshima), so I think the film ending is a bittersweet one.
The book ending ends with an extra-dimensional being attacking New York City. It takes the threat of an unpercieved threat, of the unknown to stop humanity from spirralling out of control. The unkown is far greater than the horror the imagination can conjure, snd it takes a team of artists known for exploring the dark side of humanity to realise the creature.
The book ends with the only way humanity could ever unite in peace is to percieve another threat from an alien dimension (Russia pre-squid). Of course 'nothing ever changes' and the peace will not last. After all, America was supposed to be united against an alien power yet the worst of humanity which both reflected and drove the fear of nuclear anhilation was present in that society.
So both endings have their merits, and both endings reflect the themes present in the book and film well. They're both bittersweet, and the film ending could have been a lot worse.
Now, let's all make some hot cocoa and stop the fussin' and a feudin'
i think that changing the ending would negate the whole effect of the film. however there is no real garentee that the story will be the same. like V for Vendetta (or most movies based on comics or popular fiction)a film will be an abridgement, a condensing of informatin into a form that is acessable for the everyman and will possibily omit some of the trickier bitsNot a Spy said:
Eh, the ending they put in place didn't sound that bad to me.SomeBritishDude said:
I mean, was the squid bomb-thing necessary? No. But the deaths were, and by replacing that with a Nuke, it still keeps the feel.
The thing with changing the ending is it defeats the point. The idea was (in the comic) that something SO outlandish happens that people are literally given no choice but to band together for a time. Like Manhattan suggests at the end- it may be a temporary peace, but it's still a cease fire.Spartan Bannana said:
Now- take that ending and make it an explosion, and all you've done it created the first nuke strike of armageddon... The heroes would be helping to START the end of the world, not prevent it.
Now, I'm one of those people who really enjoyed the book, but still found some faults with it. One of them was the ending... Not that I minded the squid (weird, but I get the point), but that the ending of the book felt rushed- and the characters that had been such an integral part of the story to that point became bench sitters.While I understand the reasons for the director to not go with the squid, I just wish he had gotten a little more inventive with the ending. Cause the one he choose makes no sense in the Watchman universe.
Still, many people would have been confused by the squid, hell, I was confused by the squid in the novel.Psychochik said:
Another thing, Alan Moore apparently helped with the ending, so it's not ALL on Snyder.
One more thing that surprised me: Alan Moore, who has generally hated adaptions of his books, loved the Watchmen Movie and wants them to make a second one, my opinion on the subject? He either needs to write a second novel, or they don't make a second movie.
Second movie, bad idea. There's no way they could continue this story without ruining it. Rorschach is dead and Dan and Laurie live happily ever after. I don't think there could be any conflict in a second movie that would have the same politic vision as the first one.
I dunno, the squid thing never really made sense to me. I enjoyed the M-bomb at the end of the movie, I guess that's what had to be done to modernize it.
I dunno, the squid thing never really made sense to me. I enjoyed the M-bomb at the end of the movie, I guess that's what had to be done to modernize it.
Don't apologize, stand by what you say, man! If you thought it dragged, say it dragged. I agree, by the way. I also am not so fond of the end, but part of that is taste. I like to see the bad guy punished (but I don't want this to be a thread where "bad guy of Watchmen" is debated). On the other hand, I'm glad they squid didn't make the film.
