Westboro Baptist Church, Wikileaks Troll Steve Jobs' Death

[Cpu46]

Right enough of this shit.

Forced euthenasia anyone?

Better Idea! Form a crazed mob with torches, shotguns, and pitchforks.
I mean the KKK run counterprotests and Hells Angels shield the families of solders from them. I think it is safe to say that nobody would miss them at all. I'm surprised that nobody has tried to do anything to them.

 

[Buizel91]

I like how the condemnation of westboro is universal but still plenty of out being given to Assange. Casual biases much?

There's a significant difference between someone with very powerful enemies acting notably out of character on a quite possibly hacked service, versus someone whom nobody really cares about acting perfectly in character on the same service. If Assange were to disown that act, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I do not think Phelps will disown hers.

The Westboro church knows its Bible.

Where's the picketing funerals part?

That's easy.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

When the Phelps' cult pickets, they are spreading the gospel. It's proselytizing, just like they're supposed to do.

People think that they're trolling, and in a sense, I suppose that's right. They are certainly looking for attention. Ultimately, though, trolls give out just fuck with people to get a rise out of them. WBC isn't doing that. They think they're telling you the truth.

As an aside, they aren't trying to save anyone's soul necessarily, either. They're just letting everyone know that they're all going to hell. Calvinism, man.

1:37

I have to agree with the BBC guy...being gay is not one of the ten commandments and being gay is not adultery. I ain't big on the religion thing and i don't know much about it, but i do know what adultery means and it does not mean being gay! (or fags as they call it)

She also says she is an evil angel...explain please!

 

[Bento Box]

I can't wait til one of the leaders at WBC dies, mass picket of funeral due to being a troll and massive dick in life? It's not mature, it's not cleaver but hey if they complain it's eye for eye and tooth for tooth is it not?

Except that they don't picket the person. They say terrible shit about them, and even say that they're in hell, but spectral evidence is spectral evidence. They can talk about hell all they want, because as far as the courts are concerned it's like saying, "his soul is in a giant soul-prison on the moon." It's fiction.

This sets them apart from the Wikileaks guy, who stands somewhere near slander.

 

[Imperius]

For those of you that are suggesting suppressing their freedoms or terminating the WBC assholes. Remember it's a slippy slope once you start with that sort of thing. You may find yourself in the gas chamber for your beliefs.

 

[Andronicus]

Planned obsolescence is the devil!!

 

[Hawk eye1466]

If they actually try to picket Steve Jobs funeral I think they would be shot.

 

[Bento Box]

I like how the condemnation of westboro is universal but still plenty of out being given to Assange. Casual biases much?

There's a significant difference between someone with very powerful enemies acting notably out of character on a quite possibly hacked service, versus someone whom nobody really cares about acting perfectly in character on the same service. If Assange were to disown that act, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I do not think Phelps will disown hers.

The Westboro church knows its Bible.

Where's the picketing funerals part?

That's easy.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

When the Phelps' cult pickets, they are spreading the gospel. It's proselytizing, just like they're supposed to do.

People think that they're trolling, and in a sense, I suppose that's right. They are certainly looking for attention. Ultimately, though, trolls give out just fuck with people to get a rise out of them. WBC isn't doing that. They think they're telling you the truth.

As an aside, they aren't trying to save anyone's soul necessarily, either. They're just letting everyone know that they're all going to hell. Calvinism, man.

1:37

I have to agree with the BBC guy...being gay is not one of the ten commandments and being gay is not adultery.

She also says she is an evil angel...explain please!

I ain't big on the religion thing but i do know what adultery means!

Evil angel probably refers to the kind of thing that Lucifer was before he got retconned into Satan. He was originally god's accuser.

As for the ten commandments thing, fine. Slavery, child abuse and rape aren't mentioned in the big ten, either (and before you object, rape is not adultery unless the rapist is married). These things might come up later in the discussion. I'm ready for them.

Finally, on the gay part - you must be joking. [http://bible.cc/leviticus/20-13.htm]

 

[cookyy2k]

For those of you that are suggesting suppressing their freedoms or terminating the WBC assholes. Remember it's a slippy slope once you start with that sort of thing. You may find yourself in the gas chamber for your beliefs.

Can we not just have a "guidance issue" on a plane/cruise missile/drone? I doubt it'd be the first time that excuse has been used when it was really targeted there.

 

[Andaxay]

I can't help but get angry when these guys pop up once again. There are trolls, then there are the disgusting wastes of oxygen who have an absolute nerve turning up at soldiers' funerals. I think they're using poor Steve Jobs as an excuse to attention-hunt again, but even if it is just for that, it won't stop me hoping they all die in a huge fire. No wonder some people think religious people are nuts - these people are quite obviously brainwashed idiots who wouldn't know who God was if he turned up on their doorstep one day, and give a bad name to genuine religious people.

 

[Bento Box]

If they actually try to picket Steve Jobs funeral I think they would be shot.

By whom, a bunch of liberal, gun-hating Apple users?

Don't misunderstand - I'm pretty liberal, and I adore my iPhone. I also love and own guns. Just want to make sure people don't accuse me of too broad a generalization.

But seriously, apple is marketed toward liberal arts majors,and folks in that kind of mindset. Those are not the gun nuts.

 

[cookyy2k]

I like how the condemnation of westboro is universal but still plenty of out being given to Assange. Casual biases much?

There's a significant difference between someone with very powerful enemies acting notably out of character on a quite possibly hacked service, versus someone whom nobody really cares about acting perfectly in character on the same service. If Assange were to disown that act, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I do not think Phelps will disown hers.

The Westboro church knows its Bible.

Where's the picketing funerals part?

That's easy.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

When the Phelps' cult pickets, they are spreading the gospel. It's proselytizing, just like they're supposed to do.

People think that they're trolling, and in a sense, I suppose that's right. They are certainly looking for attention. Ultimately, though, trolls give out just fuck with people to get a rise out of them. WBC isn't doing that. They think they're telling you the truth.

As an aside, they aren't trying to save anyone's soul necessarily, either. They're just letting everyone know that they're all going to hell. Calvinism, man.

1:37

I have to agree with the BBC guy...being gay is not one of the ten commandments and being gay is not adultery.

She also says she is an evil angel...explain please!

I ain't big on the religion thing but i do know what adultery means!

Evil angel probably refers to the kind of thing that Lucifer was before he got retconned into Satan. He was originally god's accuser.

As for the ten commandments thing, fine. Slavery, child abuse and rape aren't mentioned in the big ten, either (and before you object, rape is not adultery unless the rapist is married). These things might come up later in the discussion. I'm ready for them.

Finally, on the gay part - you must be joking. [http://bible.cc/leviticus/20-13.htm]

Wow those translations are truly... bias. That book was written by people to enforce whatever law they wanted to without question, the book has since been translated by everyone and their dog to say exactly what they want. My personal favourite is the New Living Translation version, must be written by zealots and bigots.

 

[Pyrian]

They are spreading the word. That is what the funeral pickets are.

No, they are profane and hateful acts that happen to include a few bits of scripture, a fair amount of dubious interpretation, and a rather substantial amount of what I've been told is blatant heresy (who judges, Him or you?).

Imagine, for example, carving scripture into the flesh of innocents. Is that proselytizing, or murder? For all intents and purposes, the latter overrides the former. It's not even effective as proselytizing, because you're not teaching, you're offending and turning away.

Or do you think that proselytizing comes only in the form of missionary work or door-to-doors?

How evil of an act do you think can be redeemed by slapping a bible verse on it?

I'm really not getting the part where I didn't answer your question.

Picketing. Funerals. You've talked about proselytizing and so does the bible, but neither mentions picketing funerals, and that's too nasty to gloss over. It's not like a mere translation or a different medium. No. What justifies such a vile act? "Proselytizing" justifies nothing but itself.

 

[Bento Box]

I can't help but get angry when these guys pop up once again. There are trolls, then there are the disgusting wastes of oxygen who have an absolute nerve turning up at soldiers' funerals. I think they're using poor Steve Jobs as an excuse to attention-hunt again, but even if it is just for that, it won't stop me hoping they all die in a huge fire. No wonder some people think religious people are nuts - these people are quite obviously brainwashed idiots who wouldn't know who God was if he turned up on their doorstep one day, and give a bad name to genuine religious people.

God, I wish people would read the thread first; it's only four pages. At least skim it?
Look: The WBC people are sincerely religious, and their understanding of God absolutely is completely fucking consistent with their Bibles; there is nothing not-genuine about them or their understanding of the God of the Bible.

Incidentally, I agree with the bit where you hope they die in a fire.

I also agree that they're using Jobs' death as an excuse to hunt for attention, but that's what they do: these pickets are their way of spreading the gospel as they see it. It's also a good chance for one of them to get assaulted, allowing the Phelps' cult -- a whole family of three generations of lawyers -- to sue for enough money to keep themselves going.

 

[Buizel91]

I like how the condemnation of westboro is universal but still plenty of out being given to Assange. Casual biases much?

There's a significant difference between someone with very powerful enemies acting notably out of character on a quite possibly hacked service, versus someone whom nobody really cares about acting perfectly in character on the same service. If Assange were to disown that act, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I do not think Phelps will disown hers.

The Westboro church knows its Bible.

Where's the picketing funerals part?

That's easy.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

When the Phelps' cult pickets, they are spreading the gospel. It's proselytizing, just like they're supposed to do.

People think that they're trolling, and in a sense, I suppose that's right. They are certainly looking for attention. Ultimately, though, trolls give out just fuck with people to get a rise out of them. WBC isn't doing that. They think they're telling you the truth.

As an aside, they aren't trying to save anyone's soul necessarily, either. They're just letting everyone know that they're all going to hell. Calvinism, man.

1:37

I have to agree with the BBC guy...being gay is not one of the ten commandments and being gay is not adultery.

She also says she is an evil angel...explain please!

I ain't big on the religion thing but i do know what adultery means!

Evil angel probably refers to the kind of thing that Lucifer was before he got retconned into Satan. He was originally god's accuser.

As for the ten commandments thing, fine. Slavery, child abuse and rape aren't mentioned in the big ten, either (and before you object, rape is not adultery unless the rapist is married). These things might come up later in the discussion. I'm ready for them.

Finally, on the gay part - you must be joking. [http://bible.cc/leviticus/20-13.htm]

Doesn't god forgive all? Making that kinda silly to say "they must be put to death" as yanoo...he will forgive them? :S

And i knew that being gay was mentioned in the bible, i never said it wasn't, i was saying being gay is not adultery and isn't one of the ten commandments.

And also how is one man one women, both married...Fag sex?...As i say i aint big on religion...but, well...yeh.

in my opinion they are the biggest trolls ever, half the stuff they say is complete nonsense.

 

[Bento Box]

They are spreading the word. That is what the funeral pickets are.

No, they are profane and hateful acts that happen to include a few bits of scripture, a fair amount of dubious interpretation, and a rather substantial amount of what I've been told is blatant heresy (who judges, Him or you?).

Imagine, for example, carving scripture into the flesh of innocents. Is that proselytizing, or murder? For all intents and purposes, the latter overrides the former. It's not even effective as proselytizing, because you're not teaching, you're offending and turning away.

Or do you think that proselytizing comes only in the form of missionary work or door-to-doors?

How evil of an act do you think can be redeemed by slapping a bible verse on it?

I'm really not getting the part where I didn't answer your question.

Picketing. Funerals. You've talked about proselytizing and so does the bible, but neither mentions picketing funerals, and that's too nasty to gloss over. It's not like a mere translation or a different medium. No. What justifies such a vile act? "Proselytizing" justifies nothing but itself.

1) It's both. As the old saying goes (or something like it), "The Catholic Church lost its best apologetic when it had to stop burning people at the stake." You seem to think that "scaring someone into agreeing with you," is not a form of convincing.

2) I think any act of evil can have a Bible verse slapped onto it; most of them already do, in the form of condoning.

3) You're really just not understanding it. The WBC is proselytizing by picketing funerals. I'm sorry that you disagree with their methods. I do, too. That doesn't mean that they aren't doing what the Bible says they should. No, it doesn't say "picket funerals," but it certainly says, "spread the word," and they are doing exactly that.

Spoiler: AFK NOTICE

I have a haircut appointment, but I'll be back.

 

[Hawk eye1466]

If they actually try to picket Steve Jobs funeral I think they would be shot.

By whom, a bunch of liberal, gun-hating Apple users?

Don't misunderstand - I'm pretty liberal, and I adore my iPhone. I also love and own guns. Just want to make sure people don't accuse me of too broad a generalization.

But seriously, apple is marketed toward liberal arts majors,and folks in that kind of mindset. Those are not the gun nuts.

Darn your right...

Well there's got to be at least one NRA member at his funeral!

 

[TheRundownRabbit]

Someone please tell me if it's acceptable for me cuss out WBC in thread...PLEASE! Its zealots like the WBC that make theists look like assholes! A great man has died, and I don't have to be an Apple user to say he was one of the greatest technology innovators of all time! But WBC...cmon, a man just died and you have the nerve to do something like this, I thought you could sink no lower but you prove me wrong by crawling into an even deeper ditch.

Sorry fellow Escapists, I kinda lost it there...

 

[Ken Sapp]

I know of one town, Brandon, MO, that pulled off the best counter to WBC that I have yet heard of.

The morning of the funeral there were many local trucks parked behind all of the WBC members cars at the hotel, effectively keeping them from leaving. And a few members who were more persistent were detained by the local police as possible witnesses to an unspecified crime. When the funeral was over all the parked trucks left the hotel parking lot and those who were detained for statements were allowed to leave. Peaceful counter protest by a town defeats Westboro.

I am sure that Apple fans could manage something like that for Steve.

 

[silent_noir_67]

"God created iPhone for that purpose! "

The iPhone 5 is coming out soon...what's the purpose for THAT then?

I honestly think that there is nothing that Westboro WON'T picket...I can't even start on how pissed off they make me.