What are your thoughts on glue traps?

[Pyro Paul]

By all means, continue to take up your soap box in protest of 'inhumane treatment' of squallor filled pests that spread desiease, pestilence, and death. That consume the flesh of still living beings unable to defend themselves with no remorse or concern. That cause Pain, suffering, and dispare to countless thousands as they breed out of control and dominate local resources forcing many into squallor, poverty, and hunger unable to provide for themselves.

Yet none of these things are reasons to torture something to death.

I find it very humorous that you're trying to demonise the animals as much as possible, when none of it is actually their own fault (the reason rats are such an ecological pest is because of us, ultimately). Heck, the attributes you listed there remind me of a more destructive species of animal (you can guess this). Animals such as rats are doing what they do to survive, they can't think on the same cognitive level as us - meaning they have no concept of human ownership, or any ill intent for that matter.

It appears to me you lack a basic grasp of ethics in this situation, there's certainly no argument with getting rid of pest animals but your "method" of disposal is what I am questioning here (and it's not about the use of glue traps either, it's about how you dispose the animal of it). So yes, I am questioning the morality of doing such a thing, and questioning you as a person for it. That you're attempting to justify it based on a ridiculous naturalistic fallacy and demonising says enough for me. So, who is the real demon here - the rats, or you?

no, you see... I am Human.

i live through experiences, create rational judgements based off of them and have them subquently influence my behaviour and actions from there on forth. because my choices don't coincide with your beliefs does not make me 'a demon' 'evil' or 'immoral' as my values are placed in diffrent things which i set of a higher importance.

of which, i set the importance of my health above the 'comfort' of an animal that can neither understand nor appreciate such an action.

but, again, by all means... soap box and high horse.

 

[Fargus]

Depression is a physical condition not an emotional one.

Depression is a mental condition.

rats can feel depressed, but can it feel sad?

general answer no. to feel sad it has to be able to comprehend the gravity of actions.

The fact that a rat can get depressed from losing a cagemate is comprehension enough. Rats are very social animals - if you actually observe their behaviour, they are not as simple as you make them out to me.

Does it now?
and what does it say?

does it reflect the experience i've had in a medical ward and seeing some one infected with Plague?
does it reflect the an infectious 'rat bite' which hospitalized me for over a week when i was younger? Or the series of rather painful 'just in case' shots i had to have because of it?
does it reflect the fact that several people depend on my existance and well being?
does it reflect that the mental health of a particular girl is highly dependent on my good health?

Of course it does. You're practically condoning the painful torture of another animal, irrespective of how a random rat or flea impacted on your (or someone else's life) negatively.

Did the rat intend to make you miserable? No. Difference here is that you want to make an animal as miserable as possible because another animal had negative contact with other human beings. Hence the act of chucking a living mammal on a glue trap into the trash where it will die slowly and painfully has nothing to do with the situations you described above. So, why does any animal deserve that? Because you don't like it?

Using your bizarre reasoning, I am justified in treating you like crap because humans have caused a lot of death and misery to each other. BTW, I do not believe that you work in the medical field at all based on your poor arguments, lack of basic ethics, and incredibly terrible spelling (being a janitor doesn't count).

Let it die.
it is a pest that spreads death.

it has done so through out history and does so up unto this day.

So do humans. Intentionally, I might add. Guess I should start being mean to other people, hmmm?

How does it that it right to chuck a fully conscious animal, stuck on a glue trap, into your garbage bin, where it will slowly rip itself to pieces and starve to death? What is your defence for this? That another rat bit you, and that they are pests? Do you not see how extremely cruel and unnecessary that is?!

 

[Pyro Paul]

One of my co workers said to me that the "screaming" sound that we hear when mice get stuck on the glue traps is because as they try to get free they are tearing the skin off of their feet.

And he said that with a smile. I'll never look at him the same way again.

the 'screaming' is usually best thought of as cursing.
high pitch sounds that are audable to humans denotes agression similar to a dogs bark.

 

[Fargus]

no, you see... I am Human.

Barely.

i live through experiences, create rational judgements based off of them and have them subquently influence my behaviour and actions from there on forth. because my choices don't coincide with your beliefs does not make me 'a demon' 'evil' or 'immoral' as my values are placed in diffrent things which i set of a higher importance.

What is rational about torturing a rat to death on a glue trap? It all comes from hatred and spite, there's no rational reason for it at all. It's completely pointless. You don't need to value a rat to see that being cruel to one in such a fashion is immoral. Where is your moral defence? Setting a higher importance to other things doesn't invalidate the fact that killing something that way is morally questionable.

of which, i set the importance of my health above the 'comfort' of an animal that can neither understand nor appreciate such an action.

Comfort has nothing to do with it. Were there such concerns, you wouldn't be using glue traps in the first place. No, it's the morality of intentionally inducing more pain than needed that I'm questioning here. That is the immoral bit. And since when does an animal have to appreciate and understand it for humans to treat it humanely? Are you saying we should only be kind to others only if we get something in return? Wow, you selfish... ... I'd better not say it, I'd get banned.

Your health has nothing to do with the decision of whether to humanely euthanise a live animal on a glue trap vs chucking it into the garbage bin to draw out its agony. Stop making excuses for torturing animals.

 

[Fargus]

the 'screaming' is usually best thought of as cursing.
high pitch sounds that are audable to humans denotes agression similar to a dogs bark.

Funny you're referring it to as "cursing" and "aggression" to try and downplay the suffering of the animal as much as possible. If you knew anything about rats, you'd realise that such screams are a signal that the animal is being hurt. A dog, cat, rabbit, human, etc will do the same thing.

 

[EllEzDee]

I thought this was going to be about gluing things down to piss people off. The first few lines looked that way, and when you said "mouse", i thought you meant computer mouse.

Fucking hell, could there be a more sick method out there?

 

[Scolar Visari]

Traps are nice and all, but I prefer to take care of them personally. Airgun is helpful for house work and a knife or hatchet may or may not have been used on occasion.

 

[lacktheknack]

We had a humane trap. It's a box with tunnel, where you stuff the cheese into one end and place that end against a wall. The mouse enters, goes for the cheese, steps on the plate in the tunnel, and gets scooped into a little plastic box with airholes and the cheese, so it has food.

You then release the mouse in your local forest.

Glue traps are horrendous things.

 

[Fargus]

I thought this was going to be about gluing things down to piss people off. The first few lines looked that way, and when you said "mouse", i thought you meant computer mouse.

Fucking hell, could there be a more sick method out there?

Check out Pyro Paul's justification:

as to the disposal... i personally would of thrown it in the dumpster with little though. as inhumane that may make me... the verulient death and pestilence carried in varmits is not something i take lightly.

So instead of just killing the bugger so it is put out of its misery, he throws it in the garbage to suffer some more. Not going to even begin listing the excuses he uses for it... it's all in this thread, anyway.

 

[Canid117]

Why not just give every worker a hammer?

It would make a wonderful team building exercise.

 

[xFullmetalx]

Ummmmm what?

 

[lacktheknack]

You are Apart of Nature.
and Nature is not all Double rainbows and Bubblegum lollypops.

Nature is not all horror, filth and shit either.

If you purposefully make life horror and filth and shit for another creature, then you ARE the shit that dirties what nature could be.

 

[Pyro Paul]

Depression is a physical condition not an emotional one.

Depression is a mental condition.

rats can feel depressed, but can it feel sad?

general answer no. to feel sad it has to be able to comprehend the gravity of actions.

The fact that a rat can get depressed from losing a cagemate is comprehension enough. Rats are very social animals - if you actually observe their behaviour, they are not as simple as you make them out to me.

Does it now?
and what does it say?

does it reflect the experience i've had in a medical ward and seeing some one infected with Plague?
does it reflect the an infectious 'rat bite' which hospitalized me for over a week when i was younger? Or the series of rather painful 'just in case' shots i had to have because of it?
does it reflect the fact that several people depend on my existance and well being?
does it reflect that the mental health of a particular girl is highly dependent on my good health?

Of course it does. You're practically condoning the painful torture of another animal, irrespective of how a random rat or flea impacted on your (or someone else's life) negatively.

Did the rat intend to make you miserable? No. Difference here is that you want to make an animal as miserable as possible because another animal had negative contact with other human beings. Hence the act of chucking a living mammal on a glue trap into the trash where it will die slowly and painfully has nothing to do with the situations you described above. So, why does any animal deserve that? Because you don't like it?

Using your bizarre reasoning, I am justified in treating you like crap because humans have caused a lot of death and misery to each other. BTW, I do not believe that people are dependant on you for their survival based on your poor arguments, lack of basic ethics, and incredibly terrible spelling.

acctually, yes. the rat does intend to do just that.
it is called survival.

why does any animal deserve that?
It increases my chance to survive.

is my reasoning bizarre?
not really, it is acctually rather sound all things considered.

are you justified in treating other humans like crap because of bad things other humans have done to you?
Yes... but of course you have your social values at adhere to, so for you... probably no.

you are welcome to believe what ever you want about me.
but because i put more value on humans then rats, i tend to be nicer to them.


Because this is also the internet Spelling is not dependent on understanding.
and honostly, why would i put more effort into a post that you're going to glaze over once then reply to? i could make it emaculate and comb over it for all the errors to make it perfect... and you'll just hit reply, type up some nonsense, then post quickly forgetting what i typed.

and besides, your posts are rife with typos and errors as well.

Let it die.
it is a pest that spreads death.

it has done so through out history and does so up unto this day.

So do humans. Intentionally, I might add. Guess I should start being mean to other people, hmmm?

How does it that it right to chuck a fully conscious animal, stuck on a glue trap, into your garbage bin, where it will slowly rip itself to pieces and starve to death? What is your defence for this? That another rat bit you, and that they are pests? Do you not see how extremely cruel and unnecessary that is?!

my defence?
i like my good health.
my survival.
and a little bit 'Who cares its just a rat'

sufficent for me.

 

[Mcface]

get a box trap, a cheezit inside, it goes in, the door closes behind it, it has some food to eat overn ight, and it's not hurt

 

[Pyro Paul]

the 'screaming' is usually best thought of as cursing.
high pitch sounds that are audable to humans denotes agression similar to a dogs bark.

Funny you're referring it to as "cursing" and "aggression" to try and downplay the suffering of the animal as much as possible. If you knew anything about rats, you'd realise that such screams are a signal that the animal is being hurt. A dog, cat, rabbit, human, etc will do the same thing.

acctually no, you see, pain is a shorter squeak for mice often in rapid succession, just how dogs 'yelp' when in pain, or cats 'reow' (honost to god, thats how a vet described it)

if you knew more about the subject you're talking about then perhapse you would know that.

 

[lacktheknack]

my defence?
i like my good health.
my survival.
and a little bit 'Who cares its just a rat'

sufficent for me.

Don't be surprised when people look more into the "who cares its just a rat" situation and hate you for it.

 

[Fargus]

Nature is not all horror, filth and shit either.

If you purposefully make life horror and filth and shit for another creature, then you ARE the shit that dirties what nature could be.

Well said.

If he makes the case that killing animals in incredibly painful and unnecessary ways is OK because they carry disease which *could* do the same to a careless human, then perhaps the argument could be made that he is stooping himself to their level by doing this? That he is no better than a rat?

 

[lacktheknack]

Nature is not all horror, filth and shit either.

If you purposefully make life horror and filth and shit for another creature, then you ARE the shit that dirties what nature could be.

Well said.

If he makes the case that killing animals in incredibly painful and unnecessary ways is OK because they carry disease which *could* do the same to a careless human, then perhaps the argument could be made that he is stooping himself to their level by doing this? That he is no better than a rat?

If he's a nihlist or "big picture" person (how I hate that line of thinking), then he'd probably say "Correct".

 

[Pyro Paul]

I thought this was going to be about gluing things down to piss people off. The first few lines looked that way, and when you said "mouse", i thought you meant computer mouse.

Fucking hell, could there be a more sick method out there?

Check out Pyro Paul's justification:

as to the disposal... i personally would of thrown it in the dumpster with little though. as inhumane that may make me... the verulient death and pestilence carried in varmits is not something i take lightly.

So instead of just killing the bugger so it is put out of its misery, he throws it in the garbage to suffer some more. Not going to even begin listing the excuses he uses for it... it's all in this thread, anyway.

oh, now for the scary bit.

I take killing very seriously.
if i kill something i Ensure its death.

covering it with a baggy and smacking it about is not sufficent.
if i where to 'crush it' as you did, i would open up the bag, and investigate it ensure that it is absolutely dead, its insides liquified and oozing out. to do this would expose me to said verulient death and pestilence i speak of.

so let me question this... how are you so certain your way is any more humane?
you hit it with your thermo... 'crushed' it.
but did you check to make sure it was dead?
after all, mice are acctually quiet resilent creatures capable of sustaining catastrophic physical damage.

you simply assumed you did the job and where content with your humane approche.

 

[infohippie]

no, you see... I am Human.

I for one am really starting to doubt that. If sombody can't empathise enough to want to minimise the suffering of our fellow mammals, or any animal really, I don't know that I'd care to call him "human." In fact, the word for someone who cannot empathise is "psychopath." I have kept pet rats for a long time and I can tell you from personal experience they are quite capable of feeling and showing pain, joy, excitement, anticipation, apprehension, curiosity and other emotions that were once thought to be the exclusive domain of humans. They have even shown, in scientifically controlled conditions, the ability to count and the ability to empathise with others. On this evidence alone, some rats might be more human than you.

the 'screaming' is usually best thought of as cursing.
high pitch sounds that are audable to humans denotes agression similar to a dogs bark.

Absolutely incorrect.