What Do You Think of "Kill la Kill"?

[MrHide-Patten]

Well, just because the show points at itself and goes "Look how skeezy this is, ain't it dumb", doesn't make it any less skeezy.

The whole design is super fetishizing and in no way meant to deter the audience from salivating over it. Which is fine, but don't try to apply some point to it, because there isn't any.

It's trying have its cake and eat it.

As for the show itself... There's definately talent on display here, it's just a shame it's all spent on crazy for the sake of crazy. But then I'm not a fan at all of the most badass awesome show ever, Gurren Lagann.

Well I hope you can at least admit that show had some depth and substance, compared to none at all.

Pffffthahahaha, no. Gurren Lagann was a lot of fun things but it was shallow as hell. There was no substance there other than a bunch of half baked overblown idealism. The show was fun to be sure and it was very much a sugar rush to watch, but to say it had some depth is just silly.

There's only two episodes of Kill la Kill but it's looking to be the same kind of turn your brain off and have a good time kind of anime. The second episode was a huge improvement over the first because it fixed the insane pacing of the first episode. Also, I like that the fanservice went both ways with the stripping teacher, that was pretty funny.

Just jumping in here, The creator of Evangelion (a show full of depth... supposedly, couldn't get past the 5th episode) has gone onto say that there is ultimatley nothing he intended to say with the show, that any sort of symbolism that the show has was constructed by the fans. So who's to say there is absolutley zero depth in any creation?

And what is a show that you have to have your brain on to watch (just for sake of curiosity)? The only thing I can think of from the top of my head is Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, you have to be proper switch on for that shit.

Off the top of my head the only couple of anime I can think of that absolutely require your brain functioning beyond baseline are Haibane Renmei and Kino's Journey.

But I gotta say with Kill la Kill I think your brain has to be turned off somewhat to actually enjoy it.

Good thing I've never been switch on. There's probably banjo strumming hillbilly's with more deeper nuanced thoughts than me.

 

[Zak757]

But I gotta say with Kill la Kill I think your brain has to be turned off somewhat to actually enjoy it.

That's true of a lot of anime. When I turn on my brain while watching something like Attack on Titan, I realize I don't care for a single one of these people because the vast majority of them are 1 or 2 dimensional characters without progression. The moment the show starts trying to be philosophical, it always feels shoehorned in for the sake of not appearing to be a mindless action romp, not having anything to say.

There are plenty of truly intelligent pieces of art out there, like Ghost in the Shell which somebody mentioned, but there doesn't seem to be much of a gap between "dumb" and "not smart" works when it comes to being an intelligent piece of art. It's like Metal Gear Rising versus Battlefield 3, or Pacific Rim versus Man of Steel. Both are dumb, but the former example revels in it because it understands that creating the illusion of depth would be pretentious.

 

[Dr. Crawver]

Well, just because the show points at itself and goes "Look how skeezy this is, ain't it dumb", doesn't make it any less skeezy.

The whole design is super fetishizing and in no way meant to deter the audience from salivating over it. Which is fine, but don't try to apply some point to it, because there isn't any.

It's trying have its cake and eat it.

As for the show itself... There's definately talent on display here, it's just a shame it's all spent on crazy for the sake of crazy. But then I'm not a fan at all of the most badass awesome show ever, Gurren Lagann.

Pretty much worded it better than I ever could. She could be a great female lead, but by doing this, you are still reducing her, at least partly, to something to be gawked at. It might make a few points back by pointing out how silly it is, but it still went and did it, so it can't get that much back for it.

 

[Loop Stricken]

I have to say, I'm in three minds about this show.

On the one hand, I'm really starting to like it. I thought TTGL, FLCL and Panty and Stocking were great so there's seemingly no reason I wouldn't like this...
... on the other hand, I want more Panty and Stocking! So many references to a season two that looks like it'll never arrive now!

And on the other hand, they got rid of an awesomely-designed character far too quickly, and I'm just sitting here lamenting the lack of porn artwork that could've been generated.

Spoiler

[sub][sub][sub]I still want more Stocking though...[/sub][/sub][/sub] [http://i.imgur.com/B5sv8.jpg]

 

[SajuukKhar]

And on the other hand, they got rid of an awesomely-designed character far too quickly, and I'm just sitting here lamenting the lack of porn artwork that could've been generated.

At least she isn't dead like the boxing guy is implied to be. She could still appear as a background character.

Omiko Hakodate, aka rule 63 Viral from Tengen Toppa, still has a chance.

Also, this is the internet, no matter how background the character, "artwork" of it will exist.

 

[JagermanXcell]

I'm surprised Grey Carter made his most recent comic about AOT instead of this. He often seems to aim to be as controversial as possible, and this is ripe for the picking. As of episode 2, she has a wrist-slitting device to activate the suit. Surely you could get something out of that?

I watched the two episodes available yesterday, and I really like it.

The animation is really great, and not the typical style.

Yeah it's dumb, but it knows it's dumb, it's self aware of said dumbness.

I love it.

This is why I loved Metal Gear Rising so much.

You know, I could almost recommend this show for the animation alone. It's just that stylish.

Yeah, I'd agree that it gives off a very Platinum Games vibe.

I love the character designs too.

The fact that MGR was brought up makes me hope for a plot device in the last episode involving a Hitler-esque Mitt Romney the size of Kenshiro to show up and deliver political spiel before he unleashes his climactic pile drivers on the MC.

OT:
I like it.
Everyone's bringing up the objectification of the MC and her power armor lacking the armor, and while I was a bit turned off by the design, it was saved by the teachers hilarious scene objectifying himself in episode 2 (and some from her disapproval of the armor design... but mostly the teacher)...
at that point I got hooked thus my brain went into eternal off mode.
Animation is amazing, and while its not so in depth plot or character wise... its Gainax, so just sit back and enjoy the well crafted fast paced dumb on screen.

 

[Dansen]

Well, just because the show points at itself and goes "Look how skeezy this is, ain't it dumb", doesn't make it any less skeezy.

The whole design is super fetishizing and in no way meant to deter the audience from salivating over it. Which is fine, but don't try to apply some point to it, because there isn't any.

It's trying have its cake and eat it.

As for the show itself... There's definately talent on display here, it's just a shame it's all spent on crazy for the sake of crazy. But then I'm not a fan at all of the most badass awesome show ever, Gurren Lagann.

Well I hope you can at least admit that show had some depth and substance, compared to none at all.

Pffffthahahaha, no. Gurren Lagann was a lot of fun things but it was shallow as hell. There was no substance there other than a bunch of half baked overblown idealism. The show was fun to be sure and it was very much a sugar rush to watch, but to say it had some depth is just silly.

There's only two episodes of Kill la Kill but it's looking to be the same kind of turn your brain off and have a good time kind of anime. The second episode was a huge improvement over the first because it fixed the insane pacing of the first episode. Also, I like that the fanservice went both ways with the stripping teacher, that was pretty funny.

And here comes someone who misses the point completely. TTGL is really simple, but it actually has a story it is telling with actual characters. There was a little more going on than just ACTIONz'n'fanservice. I am not pointing to TTGL as a positive example here, I am using it as an insult.
Right now this show is the transformers of anime.

 

[Yuuki]

Right now this show is the transformers of anime.

Whoa, lets not get ahead of ourselves here, it's only been 2 freaking episodes
The show could still go ANYWHERE from here (for better or worse), I've known a lot of people who ended up being disappointed in a show purely due to their massive over-hype based on the initial couple of episodes.

For example even TTGL isn't something you can judge based on the initial episodes, it's the TOTAL package of awesome moments throughout the series that makes it such a highly-recommended anime. A lot of people say that TTGL took a dip during the middle (Rossiu, politics/government, Simon imprisoned) so even that anime's "enjoyment factor" wasn't consistent all the way through for some.

Kill La Kill is looking great so far, that's all I will say

 

[jhoroz]

The show is pretty insane in an awesome kind of way, although the animation can be a bit underwhelming at times considering they're coming off the shoulders of giants (gurren lagann, FLCL etc.) And I pretty much agree with SajuuKhar was saying.

 

[Scarim Coral]

I have been liking it so far since it is done by the same guys who did Gurren Lagaan thus it has the same epic feel to it during he battle. Even then you can tell it is done by them due to the similar style like the zooming out shot of the city and aswell the artstyle abit. As expected the fighting scene as that pump up sort of reaction too.

The only thing I dislike so far are the openning song, it sound so generic and medicore (the ending song is slightly better).

As for the fanservice, I ain't that bother by it as there are far more worse fanservice out there in the anime/ manga world but in saying so I tend to be unphase by stuff like that and other sexism/ feminism in general.


Lastly I can stop seeing that president girl as the same katana weilding character from that anime Highschool of the Dead (it pretty much look like her in terms of hairstyle and weapon but if she had become a dictator!).

 

[Nepenthe87]

I like the show so far. It feels like a send up of all those other anime whose premise is basically "normal school, except some people have an insane super power." Sort of like how Gurren Lagann was a send up of basically all mecha anime ever. I also like that it also pokes fun at all those "Let's make [insert sport here] EPIC" anime's. I would actually love to see an episode where Ryuko has to play Go in some stupid insane way.

I don't like the "battle suit" design for Ryuko/Senketsu, but after the first few initial scenes of her in it, I kinda forget about it and get into the action parts. in the first two episodes they seem to have been able to animate the actions scenes to where you don't get too many gratuitous shots of her in uniform. Whereas other anime would orchestrate actions scenes specifically so that the the busty super powered school girl gets her blouse cut off and have her torpedo titties plop out.

 

[SajuukKhar]

GET HYPED.

Well, they released a 30 second trailer for Kill la Kill episode 3. Looks like what they said about episode 3 being a "finale" episode at the start of the series wasn't exaggeration.

Can't wait to see how much of the school they destroy during this episode, or how they are going to end this story arc this fast.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15xmyt_tv

On another note Satsuki's uniform looks totally badass. Pretty much a total inverse of Ryuuko's

 

[Rip Van Rabbit]

SCISSOR SNIP!

Excuse me, don't mind me, but...[small]Oh this is embarassing. Just blurt it out and run.[/small]...

That fanart is gorgeous and if you drew that, then I will break the nearest pair of scissors in half and give you one of the remaining pieces!

OT:

Usually I have a very low tolerance for fanservice, but Kill La Kill seems to be in on the joke about how ridiculous Ryuko feels about Senketsu's look. It's that blatant self-awareness that makes me appreciate the anime even more.

To me, it feels like a studio got together and made something they love and that really shines through for me; that sense that everyone's having a good time. It's badass, fun, fast-paced, sexy, action-packed, feel-good and in many places, downright hilarious.

It's a breath of fresh air after (my personal anime of the year) Attack On Titan just ended. Plus it's a nice contrast next to Kyoukai no Kanata (Beyond the Boundary).

[sub][sub][sub]I still want more Stocking though...[/sub][/sub][/sub] [http://i.imgur.com/B5sv8.jpg]

[small]You are a godsend...[/small]

*AHEM*

What?! Nothing to see here!

>.>

<.<

So...that Kill La Kill anime, eh?

 

[Zak757]

GET HYPED.

Well, they released a 30 second trailer for Kill la Kill episode 3. Looks like what they said about episode 3 being a "finale" episode at the start of the series wasn't exaggeration.

Can't wait to see how much of the school they destroy during this episode, or how they are going to end this story arc this fast.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15xmyt_tv

On another note Satsuki's uniform looks totally badass. Pretty much a total inverse of Ryuuko's

I don't know about "total inverse." It's got a lady-of-war quality and more intimidating/powerful look to it, but it's still pretty stripperific. Unlike Ryuko, it doesn't make her look like a prostitute at least. I like it.

Also holy crap this show is progressing fast.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Also holy crap this show is progressing fast.

Ive actually heard some spoilers on whats supposed to happen in episode 3, since they aired it as a special screening in some theaters in Japan. Basically, SPOILERS FOR THE SPOILER GOD

Spoiler

-Ryuko fights Satsuki and loses
-Training montage of her beating various two-stars
-Fights Satsuki again and Ties
-You find out from Satsuki that she is Ryuko's step-sister or half-sister
-Ryuko's father left Satsuki with her mother and visited sometimes, which Satsuki's mother didn't like.
-Satsuki was pretty much disowned by her mother and sent to the academy they are at
-Satsuki's mother is a super psyco-***** badass assassin, and the wielder of the other the other scissor, and killed Ryuko's dad when she found out he was making a Kamui. Satsuki's mom also has a Kamui like Ryuko and Satsuki.
-Satsuki asks Ryuko to join her to fight her mother, the fight they had was a test to see if Ryuko was worthy to join Satsuki.

OFC it could all be BS, and likely is given the source I got it from, but Trigger has said there is supposed to be TONS of escalation in this show, more then Tengen Toppa levels of escalation.

[small]p.s. it was bs[/small]

and what I meant by inverse is that it's the reverse color scheme, and while Ruyko's outfit is underboob, Satsuki's is overboob.


*edit*
School is a robot, calling it

 

[Dr. Cakey]

Well, just because the show points at itself and goes "Look how skeezy this is, ain't it dumb", doesn't make it any less skeezy.

The whole design is super fetishizing and in no way meant to deter the audience from salivating over it. Which is fine, but don't try to apply some point to it, because there isn't any.

It's trying have its cake and eat it.

That sounds almost like that one other Gainax anime. What was it called again? Nadia of the Blue Water?

Anyway, having cake and eating it is pretty much the signature of contemporary anime. Imaishi's demonstrated it multiple times over, and it's the forte of NisiOisiN, my favorite author. It's an interesting median point between playing tropes purely straight and the complete rejection of them by smart-type people.

About a week back I analyzed the composition of Ryuuko's armor (it was truly arduous labor, I assure you), and I came up with the following...

Despite the dearth of fabric, the outfit manages to incorporate the following fetishes:
>Skin-tight bodysuit
>Heels
>Stockings
>Garter-belts

>Includes underboobs (physically impossible in the real world except on the equator during a lunar eclipse)

>The skirt is shorter than her underwear. Let that sink in.
>In addition, while the outfit includes a permanent pantie-shot from the front, she isn't wearing anything in back.

>It's still a school uniform. Seriously, look again, the back and shoulders look like a standard anime girls' uniform.

You still with me? Now we've reached the most important part. Remember what Senketsu's power is? Anyone? Anyone? That's right, it's an impenetrable defense. An impenetrable defense. That """""""armor""""""" (epic air-quotes) forms an impenetrable defense.

My conclusion I'll copy+paste from my blog:

All this comes together to create a design far too overwrought to be called "sexy", but that doesn't stumble into the grotesque and somehow fails to be "degrading". It's nothing but raw absurdity. In other words, it's hilarious.

Because as should have been obvious from the very first frame, Kill la Kill - just like Gurren Lagann before it - isn't a condemnation of the elements it incorporates but rather a celebration: a wild outburst of passion and sincerity with at least as much self-worth and self-confidence as what it gently mocks, created by someone who has discovered the cogs of trope and cliche behind stories and - instead of rejecting them - waves them over his head, boldly proclaiming their existence.

In short it is - to borrow some phraseology from NisiOisiN - a fake more real than the original.

-

Additionally, the second episode explains what ought to have been obvious to me from the beginning, but wasn't because I am dumb-dumb. The show is about clothes and schoolgirls after all, there's a reason Honnouji Academy is an epic fascist military machine - they're wearing seira fuku, originally based on naval uniforms. The significance of the armor in this light isn't clear yet. It creates a dichotomy or opposition to the school's uniforms, but that seems to clash with the "lack of clothes represents vulnerability/powerlessness".

tl;dr ANIME OF THE MILLENNIUM

 

[SajuukKhar]

That sounds almost like that one other Gainax anime. What was it called again? Nadia of the Blue Water?

I don't recall Nadia being overly sleezy, I think you are thinking of Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt.

That show was just like sex jokes and puns every other minute.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Well, just because the show points at itself and goes "Look how skeezy this is, ain't it dumb", doesn't make it any less skeezy.

The whole design is super fetishizing and in no way meant to deter the audience from salivating over it. Which is fine, but don't try to apply some point to it, because there isn't any.

It's trying have its cake and eat it.

That sounds almost like that one other Gainax anime. What was it called again? Nadia of the Blue Water?

What, really!?

Nadia just had a simple exotic outfit that was kind of a relic from her circus days. No more no less.

Unless ofcourse I'm missing something obvious here.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

Eh...it's alright, I guess. The whole 'ZOMGSOOVERTHETOP' thing was old when TTGL did it, and this show's not really hooking me. Yeah, yeah, I know, I probably just can't handle a stronk independent womyn (please note the masssive sarcasm).
Oh yeah, and OP, if you want deep, sexy voice, this chick's got nothing on Janet in Shock Treatment.

 

[DugMachine]

So far it's just mindless fun. I loved FLCL and GL so this is right up my alley. I can see how some people might not like the show, there is definitely A LOT of fan service but that's to be expected from this studio honestly. The character designs, voice acting and action are all great.

Also from the uniform forcing it's way on her and the doctor huffing and puffing over her I knew this show would end up on this forum eventually. Weekly rape/sexism topics yay