People keep saying that, yet their previous work was Little Witch Academia which featured ONLY GIRLS and NO FAN SERVICE. And it was great, because we got to see an anime production that wasn't packed to the gills with pandering.DugMachine said:
What Do You Think of "Kill la Kill"?
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SajuukKhar said:
I...Casual Shinji said:
I meant Evangelion.
The joke was that I obviously meant Evangelion because "The whole design is super fetishizing and in no way meant to deter the audience from salivating over it" and "It's trying have its cake and eat it." could most definitely be applied to several situations and people in Eva. The other half of the joke was that I couldn't think of NGE's name even though it's the most famous thing Gainax has done. I specifically chose Nadia because I could have construed as being serious if I'd referenced most of their other works. Apparently my cutting wit was too clever and subtle.
So yeah, that was the joke.
So yeah, that was the joke.
Maaaaaaaaaaaan, I wish I could draw something that good. I've been practice sketching a bit more than I usually do, which is good, but not as much as I want.MrHide-Patten said:I. FUCKING. LOVE. THIS SHIT. Seriously, no fucks given to what anyone else says. I've been on a bit of an anime binge this year, watching everything young and old. Cowboy Bebop, Evangellion, Welcome to N.H.K., Sword Art Online, blah, blah, blah, yakitty smackity, and none of them have gotten me pumped enough to draw Fanart.
The unforgiveable sin an artist can commit. Drawing something as a fan, is abhorent. BEHOLD (It's only a Work in Progress so it's not finished)!
But yes, I enjoy the style, the characters, the setting, all the parts fitting together to make something more fun than a monkey with a bazooka.
Also, I find this image somewhat relevant to my current skill level:
OT: The show is, to be frank, incredibly impressive from an artistic point of view. The designs are wonderful, the world they created is beautiful and has a sense of mystery to it, the animation is fluid and stylized (even though there are a few moments where I wish they would've spruced it up a bit), and it's just... ARGH. The art direction for the entire thing is just marvelous. A+++/5
The action is top notch as well. I love it when I can just turn my brain off and enjoy a mindless show with tits and fighting for once.
CAN'T WAIT FOR THURSDAY OHMAGAWD
Yes, yes I did, and I want it needs to be red for authenticity!RipVanTinkle said:Excuse me, don't mind me, but...[small]Oh this is embarassing. Just blurt it out and run.[/small]...MrHide-Patten said:
That fanart is gorgeous and if you drew that, then I will break the nearest pair of scissors in half and give you one of the remaining pieces!
Why thank you as well. Persistence is what I wholly recommend, it's something that I take deadly serious, so I dedicate more time than one should to each piece.neonsword13-ops said:Maaaaaaaaaaaan, I wish I could draw something that good. I've been practice sketching a bit more than I usually do, which is good, but not as much as I want.MrHide-Patten said:I. FUCKING. LOVE. THIS SHIT. Seriously, no fucks given to what anyone else says. I've been on a bit of an anime binge this year, watching everything young and old. Cowboy Bebop, Evangellion, Welcome to N.H.K., Sword Art Online, blah, blah, blah, yakitty smackity, and none of them have gotten me pumped enough to draw Fanart.
The unforgiveable sin an artist can commit. Drawing something as a fan, is abhorent. BEHOLD (It's only a Work in Progress so it's not finished)!
But yes, I enjoy the style, the characters, the setting, all the parts fitting together to make something more fun than a monkey with a bazooka.
Also, I find this image somewhat relevant to my current skill level:
Do you have an art blog or something I could follow? I want to see more of your stuff.
OT: The show is, to be frank, incredibly impressive from an artistic point of view. The designs are wonderful, the world they created is beautiful and has a sense of mystery to it, the animation is fluid and stylized (even though there are a few moments where I wish they would've spruced it up a bit), and it's just... ARGH. The art direction for the entire thing is just marvelous. A+++/5
The action is top notch as well. I love it when I can just turn my brain off and enjoy a mindless show with tits and fighting for once.
CAN'T WAIT FOR THURSDAY OHMAGAWD
I've recently started up a tumblr for all sketche sand WIP in between >>> http://mrhide-patten.tumblr.com/
and I've also got a deviantART page where I've submitted all my finished work. >>> http://mark-mrhide-patten.deviantart.com/
Wholly fuckstick I saw something on Gelborru(?) of that and I thought it was an artists interpretation of what her "stripperific" outfit would be like, I really shouldn't be surprised.SajuukKhar said:GET HYPED.
Well, they released a 30 second trailer for Kill la Kill episode 3. Looks like what they said about episode 3 being a "finale" episode at the start of the series wasn't exaggeration.
Can't wait to see how much of the school they destroy during this episode, or how they are going to end this story arc this fast.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15xmyt_tv
On another note Satsuki's uniform looks totally badass. Pretty much a total inverse of Ryuuko's
But they're doing the whole story shift this soon, usually it takes till about episode 8. Are they going to be throwing around Galaxies again?
http://www.excite.co.jp/News/reviewmov/20131017/E1381974322840.html?_p=2
Nakashima talks Kill la Kill.
-They went with a female protagonist because it felt better; and he wants to write protagonist Ryuuko as a strong but beautiful character that struggles.
-Why clothing? it actually started as a joke. Seifuku means both conquest and uniform, fashion and facism are written the same in Japanese. They took that and ran with it. The entire world-view of Kill la Kill comes back to clothing.
-Episode 7 will be Mako's big moment.
-Episode 3 will make people realize why the costume needed to be so skimpy; and the direction of the story will become perfectly clear.
-The story will become very surprising after episode 3 and they want the audience to always need the next episode as soon as possible.
Nakashima talks Kill la Kill.
-They went with a female protagonist because it felt better; and he wants to write protagonist Ryuuko as a strong but beautiful character that struggles.
-Why clothing? it actually started as a joke. Seifuku means both conquest and uniform, fashion and facism are written the same in Japanese. They took that and ran with it. The entire world-view of Kill la Kill comes back to clothing.
-Episode 7 will be Mako's big moment.
-Episode 3 will make people realize why the costume needed to be so skimpy; and the direction of the story will become perfectly clear.
-The story will become very surprising after episode 3 and they want the audience to always need the next episode as soon as possible.
So wait, was this some sort of attempt to paint out the show as some sort of feminist endeavor?
...because I don't really think that's not reading all sorts of western nerd circles hot topic de jour shit into it.
Anyway, while it might certainly be the most interesting way high school fashion conflicts might conceivably be presented, I for one am not in the mood for its particular censored-for-(-at-least-Japanese-)tv branch of absurdity, and will thus be sitting it out.
...because I don't really think that's not reading all sorts of western nerd circles hot topic de jour shit into it.
Anyway, while it might certainly be the most interesting way high school fashion conflicts might conceivably be presented, I for one am not in the mood for its particular censored-for-(-at-least-Japanese-)tv branch of absurdity, and will thus be sitting it out.
I don't know about "perfectly clear," but I was too distracted by how way-over-the-freaking-top EVERYTHING was this episode to pay attention to the dialogue. I'd have to watch it again. All I remember was that her uniform became way more powerful when she stopped being self-conscious about her stupid outfit, and that Satsuki's uniform (which is even more absurd how the hell is that even possible) was more powerful than hers at first because she was proud of who she was and didn't give a flying fuck what anyone else thought about of how she looked.SajuukKhar said:
I wonder when the teacher gets his own Kamui!
I lulzed at all the people who said earlier (even in this thread) that the fanservice was okay because the show was "in on it" and even Ryuko was constantly embarrassed to be wearing such a revealing outfit.
The show now has how Ryuko should be comfortable naked in front of everyone as a defining plot and character point. Watch it again, not "she should be comfortable with her looks" it's that she shouldn't care if she's naked in public. I still like it, but don't pretend this is something it isn't.
The show now has how Ryuko should be comfortable naked in front of everyone as a defining plot and character point. Watch it again, not "she should be comfortable with her looks" it's that she shouldn't care if she's naked in public. I still like it, but don't pretend this is something it isn't.
This may be the first show I drop because of fanservice, and I watch shitty harems. Though my annoyance probably comes from everyone points it out and how people defend it of being pro-feminist or anything aside from pandering.
And what the hell is up with their tits flapping in the wind when they change cloths?
And what the hell is up with their tits flapping in the wind when they change cloths?
I think what he meant was in relation to how the Japanese word for uniform is the same as conquest. By not wearing a 'uniform" and thus not conforming, and just being ok with yourself, you find true power.Zak757 said:
It's also probably why that 5 star uniform they made earlier in the episode went crazy.
This was my feelings on the entire episode
I wish they wouldn't have that in. I find myself scrolling down during the transformation sequences because the titty flailing is just... bleh.LifeCharacter said:
Satsuki stated the point that the writers are trying to make. She said "the fact that you are embarrassed by the values of the masses only proves how small you are!" Not that this is a sentiment I can get behind. The "I get it now, I need to get naked" line I thought was pretty awful.Weaver said:
I think our reaction towards this show is sexist. When is Ryuko an object of sex? When does she use her body to seduce guys? Her existence isn't just for sex and she doesn't need any guys to help her with her problems. In fact most of the time guys around her are automatically getting horny and reacting as if she is an object of sex, this tells us more about the audience and the viewers more than Ryuko or the female autonomy. In fact Ryuko needs her body to fight on equal stance against the other uniform students. She fights and fights according to her beliefs. If this was a half naked guy fighting (Goku, Vegeta, DBZ, Hokuto No Ken), we wouldn't call his costume shameful we would just think it's "manly". Maybe what the animators are trying to do is allow us to get over the fact that the female body isn't something to be shameful about and it's not something to be lusted over either. It has a function and an independent purpose other then trying to get guys to fall in love. If anyone thinks Kill la Kill is sexist I think they are missing the point. Maybe we should start considering Ryuko and Satsuki's costume to be "womanly" rather than shameful or sexy.
The guys that are portrayed honorably are the guys who treat Ryuko as an equal. Even in her costume they don't think about having sex with her and they recognize her honor, and have no problem fighting her, because they recognize her as someone who has strength, not an existence which is inferior.
Also this show passes the Bechdel Test in every way imaginable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test
1. It has more then two females in it - Way more than two females!
2. Who talk to each other - Many many conversations.
3. About something besides a man - All conversation in this anime.
In fact this anime almost fails the Bechdel Test for guys.
[http://postimg.org/image/rn8ute6pj/]
The guys that are portrayed honorably are the guys who treat Ryuko as an equal. Even in her costume they don't think about having sex with her and they recognize her honor, and have no problem fighting her, because they recognize her as someone who has strength, not an existence which is inferior.
Also this show passes the Bechdel Test in every way imaginable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test
1. It has more then two females in it - Way more than two females!
2. Who talk to each other - Many many conversations.
3. About something besides a man - All conversation in this anime.
In fact this anime almost fails the Bechdel Test for guys.
Seems like a shallow anime that?s not especially entertaining or worth my time. Lazy writing and repetitive fights. I also think the show is nowhere near as good as people say it is. It's like Dragonball Z, but with heavy amounts of fanservice. It's alright if you like that stuff, but it's not for me.
I like the show, but I think calling the power suits Goku Uniforms is a bit of an exaggeration. From what I've seen so far, none of the kids would have even been a match for Krillin. (I would have said Roshi, but girls dressed like that are his Kryptonite). Also, I'm unimpressed by Ryuko's intelligence. I mean,
Gamagori's "shackle regalia" renders him invulnerable but immobile, but it never occurs to her to just throw him out of the ring, even after being explicitly told ring-outs count in the match!
We were talking about the word Seifuku, not the Kanji of it.SecretNegative said:
Except, when the entire point is that being sexy doesn't somehow make you lesser via being objectified, and that being who you are, even if it means idiots will ogle over you, can only make you stronger, making it not sexy would defeat the point.SecretNegative said:
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You can't throw Gamagori outside the ring... he is too heavy, and any force you use to try to push him off would give him power to activate the scourge regalia.DataSnake said:
People say this but its generally understood that suckerpunch did the EXACT same thing with live action fighting and actually carried it off really well (depending on who you talk to).SecretNegative said:
The idea being that that in the movie the main cast had to dance and perform with a bunch of fat men watching her and her talent was losing herself in the art so she could put up with the oggling gaze of a load of creepy dudes. Only you dont see those dudes very often, its mostly implied from the strip club scene and the conversations about the performance. The movie makes the audience the creepy men staring at her. It makes you feel kinda bad for being the EXACT same bad guy as the movie shows. Movie bob explains it well.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/6247-You-Are-Wrong-About-Sucker-Punch-Part-One
I think thats exactly what Kill la Kill is trying to do.
Kill la Kill is subversive because the main character is extremely self concious about the load of students oggling her in that outfit. A LOT of the speech is her rationalising the fact people are being really creepy staring at her whenever she fights. Its a personal challenge for the hero to accept and OVERCOME people like YOU, the viewer. The show goes right out and says people doing what YOU are doing now are actively one of the protagonists hurdles that she needs to overcome. You ARE the badguy because youre doing exactly what the students in the show are doing and she has to work hard to overcome that. I thought it was clever but it didnt capture me mainly because i already kinda explored that theme in suckerpunch and i didnt really need it again.
How exactly do you plan to throw him? Assuming you can pick him up, do you honestly thing he is going to let you pick him up and throw him out of the arena without trying to beat you with whips? Which could probably use to swing back up to the arena anyway?DataSnake said:
Ryuko is a hell of a lot smarter than your average shonen fighting protagonist. She is smart enough to run away from a fight when outclassed, attempted to escape a fight when she gained the ability to fly to take out her #1 target, used pieces of Senketsu to cover up her enemies eyes and render them blind, among other various plans made up on the fly. Like tying a thread around her scissor blade to lasso Nonon's gunship and drop it out of the sky. When she actually starts fighting like your typical shonen hero, this happens. [http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/663/518/d9e.jpg] Spoilers for episode 12 by the way.
I'd say it's better. Alot better.Futurehero said:
It is absolutely not Dragonball Z. No fight has been repeated twice and all of them contributed to the plot in some way. The story is tightly written instead of being made up on the fly. The "new powers out of nowhere" is foreshadowed beforehand and only used during the battles with the Elite Four, and the fact that Senketsu is evolving quickly is a plot point that is revealed in episode 12. The four extra forms she gets are actual evolutions instead of just longer hair and crazy stat boosts, like changing into a jet fighter for example. You are going to have to explain what you mean by "lazy writing" because if you haven't even seen it, I'm betting you just pulled that out of your ass.Dead Century said:
I had a chuckle at "not especially entertaining." You can have your opinions though, even if they mean little because you haven't actually watched the show.
I got my terms mixed up, here is a better explanation.SecretNegative said:
If Kill la Kill wanted you to jerk off to it, it probably would present itself completely differently. Almost all of the "fanservice" shots are so ridiculous that they are silly as oppose to sexy. They also tend to pass quickly, don't occur twice in a row, and are overshadowed by the rest of the awesomeness happening on screen. And when these moments aren't occuring during fight scenes involving Kamui, the camera usually focuses on places that matter, like the characters faces and so on and so forth. The rest of fanservice throughout the show isn't all that frequent, and makes an honest attempt at equal opportunity (Sanageyama, Aikuro, Tsumugu and Gamagoori have all spent significant amounts of time on the screen while naked or nearly naked). And a fanservice show wouldn't have turned Ryuko into... just watch episode 12 or click the link above. It's even more horrific in action.
There is also the fact that it portrays everyone who think of Ryuko as a sex object instead of a person as disgusting/greasy losers while everyone who treats her with respect are pretty respectable people in their own way. And the fact that this show doesn't have any sort of male audience surrogate like Kirito so you can have weird fantasies. Also, they could have handled Mako and Ryuko's relationship a lot differently (in a very bad way), but the way it is presented is actually heartwarming and adorable as oppose to providing fetish fuel for yuri fanboys. Let them marry Trigger, or I'll riot.
It goes pretty far beyond the requirements. Going strictly by power levels of action-based characters, the girls have ALL the top spots.zzargistiz said:
Tsumugu < Inmuta < Gamagoori < Sanageyama < Nonon < Ryuko < Nui < Satsuki < Mako (with the power of friendship!)
Not to mention we have Ragyo stepping onto the scene, a women so powerful she emits fucking rainbows from her body, a wardrobe full of Kamui, 7 stars weaved into her back, and controls 70% of the worlds fashion industry, which puts her handily above Satsuki. How this show could possibly be misogynist at this point is beyond my comprehension.
(wow look at me bringing up a dead thread)Casual Shinji said:
I recently had an interest in watching this anime as stream with my friends but...those outfits just really grate on me in the worst ways. and if what I'm hearing of the second episode is true...I don't know if I'll be pushing through that show at all.
I just...I can't get over how skimpy it is. Do these cons outweigh the positives? (providing you watched it up to date) Or is it something that I should skip if sleazy outfits aren't my thing? Which is a shame because if they added a lot more fabric those would of been the coolest powerup suits I've seen in a very long time.
I couldn't get past episode 2, so I wouldn't know. But apparently episode 4 or something is unbearable even for fans of the show.Dragonbums said: