I think Obama is making an attempt. Admittedly a half assed attempt that he's kinda forgotten about and is being block by Congress like an incoming bastard sword, but making an attempt nonetheless.Daystar Clarion said:America. Land of the Free (as long as you have money).
It's ridiculous that a first world country exists without a national health system, but I suppose that's what happens when corporations have such a huge influence.
Well, we do tax our citizens. We just happen to think that an army to keep our people alive is nationally more important than doctors to keep our people alive... or food... or a pension system for people not in the military... or scholarships for smart people... or foreign relations... or rescue workers... or police... or renewable energy... or disaster prevention... or education... or enforcement of corporate regulations... or a reasonable system for immigration in a country of immigrants... or a railway system. After all, just look at all those average American citizens that can afford 3 piece Italian suits, and Armani, and Gucci, and Chryslers and Cadillacs. Of course they can pay for all those non-important things themselves, and at levels they want!AndyFromMonday said:Y'all seem to forget a national healthcare system would infringe on a persons God given right to individualism. That's why the USA doesn't tax its citizens and has no welfare system.
Isn't that basically what I said? If the insurance doesn't cover that doctor, and the patient can't pay out of pocket, then the doctor eats the cost.Jinx_Dragon said:I believe he was pointing out that turning someone away who has insurance would lead to less money.
I can argue against it, the insurance company who has not authorized the treatment is never going to pay. This means the doctor either has to pay for it out of their own pocket or go through a lengthy and expensive lawsuit that likely won't lead to any payout anyway. The original insurance company just laughs and screws over both patience and doctor.
True, but this is only an issue when refusing treatment results in a wrongful death. In most cases this doesn't happen, so it's smarter, money-wise, for the doctor to take the risk and turn the patient away.And that wrongful death lawsuits are very easy to win, which leads to massive loss to doctors accused.
It wasn't a half-ass effort. People have been trying to get a national healthcare bill passed for decades, I think even Reagan tried to get a bill passed.Macgyvercas said:I think Obama is making an attempt. Admittedly a half assed attempt that he's kinda forgotten about and is being block by Congress like an incoming bastard sword, but making an attempt nonetheless.Daystar Clarion said:America. Land of the Free (as long as you have money).
It's ridiculous that a first world country exists without a national health system, but I suppose that's what happens when corporations have such a huge influence.
Good fucking lord, I hate my government.
The riots were started in London because someone with a gun was killed. the "rioters" were looters.Kekkles said:You say that but us Brits may lose our National Health System too. Thanks Cameron. It's as V always said, "The people shouldn't fear the government, the government should fear the people" and taking the NHS away will only strike a match to kindling. Note: The riots. Keep taking from people that can't afford it and they will bite back. Hard.Daystar Clarion said:America. Land of the Free (as long as you have money).
It's ridiculous that a first world country exists without a national health system, but I suppose that's what happens when corporations have such a huge influence.
Let's start from the top shall we, with spending. We're at war with Iraq and Libya at the moment, Libya alone of having an estimated cost of £260m over the course of 6months. Wouldn't that be helpful if spent elsewhere? Oh and just so you know UK spent 4.5billion in Iraq. Oh yes, we're glad to go to war when our own country is still left in it's own pile of filth. They're hacking away at these "unnecessary costs" when we're still sending our troops out to Iraq. The NHS could be getting it's money but (I know the expenditure of the NHS is around 100billion before you say anything) there are other things in it's place. Before anyone goes patriotic commando, I'd like to say we should spend our money on OUR country before we bring "democracy" to others.DannyJBeckett said:Kekkles said:There has already been cuts around the NHS, being staff/resources and Cameron is getting massive pay-offs from Private Doctoring companies so it may be another case of "Well, I have private doctoring and I'm fine." By good ol' spoon-fed Cameron. Though if Cleggy had any backbone maybe we'd have had some kind of balance in our party.Daystar Clarion said:I doubt the Tories would take away the NHS. They'll fuck us over in other ways, but the NHS is, like you said, a trigger for more riots.Kekkles said:You say that but us Brits may lose our National Health System too. Thanks Cameron. It's as V always said, "The people shouldn't fear the government, the government should fear the people" and taking the NHS away will only strike a match to kindling. Note: The riots. Keep taking from people that can't afford it and they will bite back. Hard.Daystar Clarion said:America. Land of the Free (as long as you have money).
It's ridiculous that a first world country exists without a national health system, but I suppose that's what happens when corporations have such a huge influence.
Off Topic: What I really want to know is the opinion on Americans getting NHS (as there has been rumours), whether they want it or not as well as their direct opinion on the way the NHS works? It's interesting, very interesting.
Listen, I'm never going to stand up for David Cameron, but the reason there are cuts in the NHS is NOT because of the government wanting to privatise it or anything ludicrous like that. It's because every year it haemorrhages money like you wouldn't believe. I'm not talking about the money that actually goes towards making sick people better, I'm talking about money that gets drained on overlooking problems that go on to cause even more sickness in people, or using over-the-top treatments when something far more simple would have been equally viable, or people being kept in hospitals when it would be much easier to send them home and have a nurse check on them, and other wasteful things like that.
Oh and about the riots. Bull, Fucking, Shit was it about people who have nothing fighting back. It was about idiots who didn't have that damn sense to MAKE anything of themselves blindly smashing, destroying, and taking what their own stupidity denied them. It was about a culture of take-take-take, mine-mine-mine reaching overload, where selfishness and opportunism take control of masses, and to hell with all those who want to protect whatever they try to defend. Surely you saw the pictures of people who'd stolen £1 bags of rice, or completely emptied a pound-shop? You honestly can't tell me that some people couldn't afford what they stole.
Oh, it passed? I'm sorry, I kinda stopped following it when Congress was faffing about with their bipartisan motherfuckery and haven't bothered to keep up with it since.Shadowkire said:It wasn't a half-ass effort. People have been trying to get a national healthcare bill passed for decades, I think even Reagan tried to get a bill passed.Macgyvercas said:I think Obama is making an attempt. Admittedly a half assed attempt that he's kinda forgotten about and is being block by Congress like an incoming bastard sword, but making an attempt nonetheless.Daystar Clarion said:America. Land of the Free (as long as you have money).
It's ridiculous that a first world country exists without a national health system, but I suppose that's what happens when corporations have such a huge influence.
Good fucking lord, I hate my government.
The fact that Obama pulled it off is astounding.