What Has Your Country Ever Done For Us?!

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Warforger

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Enamour said:
Ok, let's start at a point. It's than, not then. South Africa was a racist state, not an oppressive state though there was oppression as well but there's a significant difference warranting the definition between racist and oppressive. It was similar to what Israel is today, very similar.
And that makes it right how? At the very least the Israeli's have a basis of fear for their racist laws like having to be Jewish in order to become a citizen, South Africa only had it as an inheritance from the 19th century and kept it as such while the rest of the world progressed socially.

Enamour said:
Also, the communists won nothing,they sustained grievous losses, I'm talking about tens of thousands versus singular thousands on the opposing side. They didn't win you ignoramus, no one won. I bet you don't know about Botswana or Namibia or the 27 year civil war following the SA army's pull out.
I'm confused, according the Wikipedia the MPLA gained control and still rule it to this day (but they're not Communist anymore). And Angola is still listed under former Communist nations so I'm rather confused what you're thinking.


Enamour said:
I bet you don't know about the political pressures that ended apartheid do you?
What the fuck? Please don't ask Americans to keep their "Blind patriotism" out when you seemingly can't.


Enamour said:
Let me summarize it for you. *shit I already knew* The SA government refused to pull out for a long time because of the unstable political atmosphere; the same reasons the US aren't pulling out of Iraq today but who the fuck cared about Angola?
And yet when you did pull out, what happened to South Africa? Nothing it seems.


Enamour said:
So let's look at this again. The US, uncaring, left an unstable Angola(millions died in the resulting civil war), refused to help an ally fight a US conflict and prolonged the lifespan of a racist regime; helping to end it only after it rebelled against its bullshit.
The problem being is that no one has the resources to stop those civil wars, once you squash one those rebel groups flee and go to other countries and cause another.


Enamour said:
I labelled it a debatable contribution because the only thing that no one cared about was the lives of millions of Angolans. But hey, communists died as well so that justifies everything.
Yes, but you can't really be labelled as the good guy when you're still living in the 19th century and they just want equality.


Enamour said:
tl;dr Don't be an ignorant twat.
Like you? Seriously what is wrong with you? I just say South Africa was worse then the Communists, you go ahead to insult me and also blame America, pointing out it's a Cold War conflict and all, yet you don't make a single attempt to point out how you were any better nor do you seem to have disproven anything I've said.

Enamour said:
There's more to history than America is the good guy and anyone who opposes it is the bad guy.
Not that I ever said that or believed that like ever, since it's something you ignorant foreigners don't seem to realize about American books.

TheEndlessSleep said:
Actually, the British empire ended slavery at least thirty years beforehand - and it was that fact that pressurized the USA into following suit :)
Actually about half the states of America banned slavery quite a while before Britain did when America gained independence, called the "Northern states". They didn't have a nationwide ban until the end of the Civil War, before it was up to the states.
 

EightGaugeHippo

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England...
The best thing that comes to mind that we gave the world is the Language. Most of you speak it as your first and many of you don't even live here.
 

Hawkmoon269

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Snowblindblitz said:
Hawkmoon269 said:
Snowblindblitz said:
Hawkmoon269 said:
The Beatles, and consequently, most of all modern music.
As a non Beatles fan, I call foul. They were influenced by 1950's rock where blatantly stole from blues in America. Blues being the foundation of almost all rock and roll, I must say, you are welcome.
Aha! But I would have to counter your argument with the fact that the Beatles took those 1950's rock n roll influences and went on to create the genres we know now as pop, alternative and psychedelic. In fact, if you check out this article....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles'_influence_on_popular_culture

...you'll see that the beatles influence stretched far and wide.

Of course i dont doubt the importance of blues and rock n roll, its just that it was the Beatles' innovation that helped modern music to develop into newer, more lasting institutions, rather than languishing and going stagnant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_sabbath

Much better band to pick to represent your country.
Ha, okay well i think we can both agree that they rock
 

The Cor

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_inventions_and_discoveries
I think my country has done its share.
 

Anchupom

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We first created the language that we are now holding the majority of this discussion in.

The rest is pictures, which were first invented by... Not us. Can't claim that for britannia then.
 

TonyVonTonyus

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Poutine
William Shatner
Standard time
Being kick ass incarnate for the two biggest wars
May Wests

Just a few things

Soviet Heavy said:
King Toasty said:
Canada has graced the world with it's presence. You're welcome.
AND the telephone dammit!
Dude, I'm canadian and I know an Italian guy made it (Antonio Meucci ring a bell?)
 

The Cor

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toothofymir said:
We kicked out the Nazis

You're welcome.
I so do not want to hear this anymore, let me make clear that YOU have done nothing about the nazi's. Its just plain idiocy when people say that now a days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQEcMTSgg5w&feature=related
 

Vonnis

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The word apartheid wouldn't exist without us dutch!
Yeah, I dunno. Some paintings?
 

Alssadar

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America... we have bad politics...
Oh, we also have people to star in CoD games.
(Captcha, are you addressing me with your mention of "half inch"?)