What is the dumbest case of fandom infighting you have ever seen?
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Love interests in the Bioware games, especially Mass Effect & Dragon Age series. There are a few people who try to seriously criticize the characters and relationships, but there are a lot of fans that will get into fights over which fictional characters belongs with the PC the most.
I actually had someone tell me once that Kaidan was unfit for female Shepard because she had to save him so much over the course of the series. This person honestly told me Kaidan should have thrown Shepard into an escape pod at the start of ME2 and gone down with the ship instead of Shepard, because that is how real men are suppose to be. Kaidan wasn't even my favorite romance but that did piss me off.
edit: Oh and in the Tomb Raider fandom, they tend to argue about Lara Croft's hair, cloths, makeup and nails. It's either too much or too little or too masculine or too feminine or whatever.
I actually had someone tell me once that Kaidan was unfit for female Shepard because she had to save him so much over the course of the series. This person honestly told me Kaidan should have thrown Shepard into an escape pod at the start of ME2 and gone down with the ship instead of Shepard, because that is how real men are suppose to be. Kaidan wasn't even my favorite romance but that did piss me off.
edit: Oh and in the Tomb Raider fandom, they tend to argue about Lara Croft's hair, cloths, makeup and nails. It's either too much or too little or too masculine or too feminine or whatever.
Hey, this is entirely unrelated, but where is your avatar from?Legion said:
Cute girls doing cute things is one of my favorite things :3
Oh, and as for this:
Here's the video, in its full glory:Evil Smurf said:
Battletech purists who wanted to apply all the rules from a 1980's tabletop game (Battletech) to a first person mecha simulator (Mechwarrior Online) during it's pre-beta phase. Yes, that's right. Apparently you can just copy and paste game mechanics from a tabletop game to shooter and have it work out perfectly. A lot of people wanted everything short of rolling 20-sided dice, including the 10 second reload times every weapon has in the tabletop. They argued that this was better than just balancing the game from the ground up because "the framework was already there." I shit you not. I was not on that side of the debate, of course.
You might as well try to copy and paste game mechanics from an RTS to a third person shooter, it makes just as much sense.
You might as well try to copy and paste game mechanics from an RTS to a third person shooter, it makes just as much sense.
Mystery Science Theater 3000. Joel-era or Mike-era? Whichever you choose, prepare to be derided by the other side. Either the show stunk the moment Joel Hodgson stepped away and Mike Nelson completely ruined it, or Joel was the only thing holding it back from reaching the stratsophere of quality and Mike took the helm to deliver it there.
(Personally, I preferred Mike; he was much more natural and engaging in front of the camera. But the whole show was Joel's baby, and I won't deny that there were a number of supremely funny moments during his run.)
What's funny is that Joel and Mike both like to anonymously go on Internet forums from time to time and start flamewars... by claiming the other was better.
(Personally, I preferred Mike; he was much more natural and engaging in front of the camera. But the whole show was Joel's baby, and I won't deny that there were a number of supremely funny moments during his run.)
What's funny is that Joel and Mike both like to anonymously go on Internet forums from time to time and start flamewars... by claiming the other was better.
You know, I vividly remember one fan going on a proper vendetta because Batman's suit in Arkham City wasn't as black as he hoped for. He created youtube videos, tried to amass people for his cause and tried to defame the game on quite a few forums.
It was hilarious.
It was hilarious.
You know, I had typed out that exact thing before I changed it to The Beatles' earlier/later and the John/Paul debates!Cowabungaa said:
The reason I changed it was because I couldn't think of one specific fandom arguing Beatles/Stones, rather that it was more like two fandoms duking it out for nearly five decades.The closest I can come to thinking up a single fandom would maybe be '60s music aficionados who debate The Beatles (and poppy Beatles clones) vs. just about everything else that was around toward the end of their career: stuff like the Stones, The Who, The Doors, early Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, etc. When the world seemed blown away by John's lyric "I'd love to turn you on" in A Day in the Life, people rarely counter that with the fact that The Doors recorded their debut album in August 1966, released January 4, 1967, and included the lyrics "She get high" (Break on Through) and about a minute of Morrison singing "Fuck me baby, fuck, fuck, fuck yeah" (The End). The Beatles only started recording Sgt. Pepper in December '66 and it was released June 1 of '67, five months after The Doors' debut album. Furthermore, Pink Floyd's track Candy and a Currant Bun released in April '67 as the b-side to their first single, Arnold Layne, and contained the lyric "Ooh, don't talk to me/Please just fuck with me." That also predates Sgt. Pepper.
So yeah... that might be the only single fandom with infighting between Beatles/Stones.
"Shipping" in this context means when people - usually the fans - take two or more characters of a work and pair them together romantically. The term's a shortened verb form of "relationship." Shipping's often done without regard for the characters' gender, sexuality, age, canon relationship (Both between the characters concerned and other characters in the story) and sometimes, it doesn't even matter if the characters are related. Incest's free game, too. Everything is, really - no matter how screwed up it sounds, someone probably wrote a shipping fic about it.LetalisK said:
It can, and often does, get really absurd. Shippers will latch onto a couple as their OTP (An acronym for "One True Pairing." If more than two characters are involved, it'll be an OT3 or more) and many shippers will declare any pairing that conflicts with theirs - yes, even canon pairings - to be heresy and usually proceed to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them. They typically write fanfic distorting the characters to fit their twisted ideal, scour the work in question for "proof" of their ship, and then throw a tantrum when it never comes to pass. Not all shippers are like this, of course, but enough are to poison the well for everyone.
It's absurd, really. I hate the community mostly because it's one giant echo chamber of "Guys! I totally found evidence that Tony Stark and Captain America are gay for each other! See, look at how Tony glances in Steve's direction this one time! He's totally got the hots for him!" to which every one completely agrees, celebrates how they're totally on the same wavelength as the writers, proceed to write fic about how Tony and Steve have a baby together, and then flame anyone who thinks they're a bit off base. Shippers also have a tendency to ignore literally everything about a work besides the characters and how badly they may or may not want to screw each other.
It's not an inherently bad thing, in itself. It's just that shippers tend to insanely militant and... don't really appreciate the non-romantic aspects of a work. If you got your information solely from them, you'd think Sherlock and Supernatural and the like were little more than gay porn.
It is from the anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica, which is both a series and a trilogy of films. Although the first two films are a recap of the series while the third is a continuation of it.chadachada123 said:
A bit of a generalisation, but I have certainly seen the worst kinds you describe.Saetha said:
I think the funniest one I have seen was Adam Jensen and Francis Prittchard from Deus Ex Human Revolution. Whereas the strangest ones are where the two characters are not even from the same work of fiction.
Well, this video "could" sum up the fandom in a nutshell...Negrido said:
Just replace the word "house" with "show"...
Sometimes, those kind of Bronies should just go with the flow, appreciating each other within their enjoyment of a colorful show and its various messages throughout...
This isn't really unique to bronies, welcome to pretty much any long running fandom based on a franchise, comic fans have been pulling this shit for decades. Especially when it comes to comics that are aimed at different demographics, there always seems to be comics fans out there complaining that the family friendly titles are kiddying up their "super serious hobby", whilst another group will jump on anything remotely dark or gritty and hail it as a second coming of the over the top grimdark that infested comics in the 90's.FPLOON said:
Everybody wants their show or fandom of choice to cater to them to some extent, but some people take it way too far and expect everything to cater to what they wish something was, rather than what it actually is, To use another Hasbro property, Transformers cartoon fans and comic book fans have frequently fought over this issue in the past, with one group wanting the comics to be more like the cartoons, and another group vice versa. Seems to boil down to just being hard to satisfy anyone when it comes to giving everyone what they want, well that, and older geeks tend to expect properties to cater to their older sensibilities, especially if it's something they grew up with, god the Transformers fandom has that problem in spades.
And while on the subject; what IS the Prime Directive? Voyager is just the most blatant about it, but nobody seems to be able to agree on what the Prime Directive actually entails.Ikasury said:... still the best captain in all the seriesMangod said:
that's another one, specific to Star Trek: 'who's the best captain?' cavated with 'does Sisco count as a 'captain'?'
And on the subject of Janeway; should she be put on trial for crimes against sapience? There's the "incident" where Janeway and Paris travel backwards in time on a planet that they know is going to die, and when Paris wants to warn the planets people of this, Janeway tells him no, because the consequences might be worse. When Paris points out that the consequences couldn't be worse than planetary extinction, Janeway pulls rank, rather than come up with a counter-argument.
Contrast with TOS, where Kirk makes the same argument, that changing a people is preferable to letting them die out, and Spock agrees; Spock being the one who bring up that they might be violating the Prime Directive in the first place.
i thought the prime directive was created BECAUSE of all the bullshit Kirk got up to ._. but yea, i can see him just blatantly ignoring it because he's Kirk... Kirk does what Kirk does because Kirk... Kirk... *snickers* and Spock pretty much agreed with whatever he did in the end XDMangod said:And while on the subject; what IS the Prime Directive? Voyager is just the most blatant about it, but nobody seems to be able to agree on what the Prime Directive actually entails.Ikasury said:... still the best captain in all the seriesMangod said:
that's another one, specific to Star Trek: 'who's the best captain?' cavated with 'does Sisco count as a 'captain'?'
And on the subject of Janeway; should she be put on trial for crimes against sapience? There's the "incident" where Janeway and Paris travel backwards in time on a planet that they know is going to die, and when Paris wants to warn the planets people of this, Janeway tells him no, because the consequences might be worse. When Paris points out that the consequences couldn't be worse than planetary extinction, Janeway pulls rank, rather than come up with a counter-argument.
Contrast with TOS, where Kirk makes the same argument, that changing a people is preferable to letting them die out, and Spock agrees; Spock being the one who bring up that they might be violating the Prime Directive in the first place.
and i remember that ep, its like 2 or 3 in the ENTIRE series, my vote is that at the time this is still 'early' Janeway, pre-insanity-that-is-voyager so still trying to do things by the 'straight and narrow'... she figures out that doesn't work pretty quick *snorts* you cant really put her on trial for 'following' the silly law, or trying too... she usually wound up telling everyone 'no you can't do that because PD' then did it herself expecting severe repercussions, she took all the blame on herself, something of a flaw that she 'got better at' throughout the series...
plus its Janeway... even time-gods can't match the shenanigans she can at a whim
they tried XD
Yeah, I know I can be a bit... vicious in my thoughts on shipping, as well as Tumblr and it's fandom culture in general, really. I try to remember that it's probably mostly sane, rational people getting drowned out by the vocal minority, and that I get a little fan-girly myself sometimes, so I'm not in the best place to judge. Still though... I just get burned out so easily by the whole environment.Legion said:
And oh, I've seen weirder fic. I've seen Dean Winchester shipped with his car. As in, a demon possessed his car, took on the form of Idris Elba (Of all people) and proceeded to... dance the vertical tango with Dean. That was... a weird day.
But yeah, the crossover fics are weird. Like, shipping characters who have chemisty (Or who you atleast think have chemistry) is one thing. Taking characters who have never interacted with each other, who never will interact with each other, and putting them together? That's just... creepy and weird, to be honest. Not to mention all the "OmegaVerse" stuff.
This, so very much.Negrido said:
I can handle fan speculation about histories or making "light" predictions about if characters might or might not end up together or even if a character might die but even reading about people and their OTP makes me feel emotions from laughing at the stupidity to making me want to cry.
I know everyone doesn't feel the same as I do but when I watched Frozen, it helped me realize how much I value my relationship with my sister and how I felt like I hadn't been as attentive as I could've been. That movie helped shape me but when I happen to catch discussions and how it's JUST about "HansxElsa and KristoffxAnna?" it drives me insane because it misses the ENTIRE POINT of the movie. Even worse is the whole "Well, Elsa's not interested in males so she must be a lesbian" argument and the one I think is just insulting on every level is "AnnaxElsa is obviously a thing because the movie said it was about their love, right?" That's DISGUSTING.
That's the only thing I think actually bothers me on a personal level, though. One thing I noticed when I dislike someone's pairings is that if I dislike "DarylxRick", then I'm automatically called a homophobe. Is that like some self-justification or a defense mechanism for (at this point) accidentally saying that I don't really agree with "FreddyxJason" (It's been done, folks) regardless of whether or not I like the characters involved. It's just weird.
Yeah, shipping is a big thing that bugs me in ANY fandom and I can't help but laugh whenever there's a popular pairing I know of that goes down in flames because "Word of God" does something about it.