What is the dumbest case of fandom infighting you have ever seen?

[Ikasury]

*snip*

A bit of a generalisation, but I have certainly seen the worst kinds you describe.

I think the funniest one I have seen was Adam Jensen and Francis Prittchard from Deus Ex Human Revolution. Whereas the strangest ones are where the two characters are not even from the same work of fiction.

Yeah, I know I can be a bit... vicious in my thoughts on shipping, as well as Tumblr and it's fandom culture in general, really. I try to remember that it's probably mostly sane, rational people getting drowned out by the vocal minority, and that I get a little fan-girly myself sometimes, so I'm not in the best place to judge. Still though... I just get burned out so easily by the whole environment.

And oh, I've seen weirder fic. I've seen Dean Winchester shipped with his car. As in, a demon possessed his car, took on the form of Idris Elba (Of all people) and proceeded to... dance the vertical tango with Dean. That was... a weird day.

But yeah, the crossover fics are weird. Like, shipping characters who have chemisty (Or who you atleast think have chemistry) is one thing. Taking characters who have never interacted with each other, who never will interact with each other, and putting them together? That's just... creepy and weird, to be honest. Not to mention all the "OmegaVerse" stuff.

i've probably read the most horrifying lemon in the universe... Sovereign/Harbinger... in giant robot spider tentacally form ._. it is burned in my memory and i can't wipe it away...

and we can't help i think as a species, we're geared towards 'procreation' and since our society makes quite a bit of deal on 'love' and 'being together' and pretty much every story every told is a love story somewhere, our primitive monkey brains que in on it and just let the idea fester and run wild...

there's a good number of shippers that are... 'sane', as in not burning the forums to the ground, can take criticism and able to accept canon... others... others are the horrors that mutilate characters, ruin plots, and leave you a blank soulless husk if you do not agree with them wholeheartedly ._.

the horrors...

 

[newfoundsky]

How to pronounce "gif". It's clearly jif, like Girafe or Jelly. The inventor says so.

The inventor is wrong.

The Halo Fandom, oh my God the Halo fandom. Shit hit the fan with Halo: REACH and it hasn't stopped oscillating.

 

[Strain42]

MegaTen fans have some of the dumbest instances of in-fighting I've ever seen.

You've got the people who only like the Shin Megami Tensei series and hate all the Persona players...

and then you've got MORE in-fighting amongst the Persona players between people who liked P1/P2 and think those who came in with P3/P4 are ruining the series for everyone...and then you've also got JUST the P4 people who fight against everyone else, ever, trying to claim the the Megami Tensei franchise will never have a more precious jewel than P4.

MegaTen fans are nuts. There are layers upon layers of in-fighting and hatred amongst us. We're like a big onion of hate and hurt feelings.

Where did you see this? The only place where I've ever seen those games discussed is here on the Escapist, where everyone either says (MegaTen Game) is such an awesome RPG, or doesn't say anything because he hasn't played it.

GameFAQs, Siliconera, YouTube, Facebook, even a few Tweets, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was also on sites I don't use like NeoGAF or Kotaku. I admit The Escapist does seem a bit calmer regarding MegaTen infighting, but trust me...it's out there. I've seen it. I've been caught in the crossfire, and trust me, it ain't pretty.

 

[sageoftruth]

MegaTen fans have some of the dumbest instances of in-fighting I've ever seen.

You've got the people who only like the Shin Megami Tensei series and hate all the Persona players...

and then you've got MORE in-fighting amongst the Persona players between people who liked P1/P2 and think those who came in with P3/P4 are ruining the series for everyone...and then you've also got JUST the P4 people who fight against everyone else, ever, trying to claim the the Megami Tensei franchise will never have a more precious jewel than P4.

MegaTen fans are nuts. There are layers upon layers of in-fighting and hatred amongst us. We're like a big onion of hate and hurt feelings.

Where did you see this? The only place where I've ever seen those games discussed is here on the Escapist, where everyone either says (MegaTen Game) is such an awesome RPG, or doesn't say anything because he hasn't played it.

GameFAQs, Siliconera, YouTube, Facebook, even a few Tweets, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was also on sites I don't use like NeoGAF or Kotaku. I admit The Escapist does seem a bit calmer regarding MegaTen infighting, but trust me...it's out there. I've seen it. I've been caught in the crossfire, and trust me, it ain't pretty.

I'll do my best to keep my morbid curiosity in check for now.

 

[Riot3000]

With the release of the ruby and sapphire remakes the pokemon fanbase and anything to do with which generation sucks and which ruined the series which no sense because it still makes buckets of money. Apparently you have to objectively hate a generation which is just crazy. "Generation 2 is best gen Chikorita for life"

To goes along side with Smogon and the competitive space which is hilarious to watch.

 

[x EvilErmine x]

How to pronounce "gif". It's clearly jif, like Girafe or Jelly. The inventor says so.

The inventor is wrong.

The Halo Fandom, oh my God the Halo fandom. Shit hit the fan with Halo: REACH and it hasn't stopped oscillating.

Seconded. He may have invented it but calling it a jif is retarded. It's a Graphic Interchange Format, not a Jraphic Interchange Format. God, read a book gif inventor (cookie for the reference)

OT

Star Wars v Star Wars Extended Universe fans...wow.

I love a good flame war, it's usually funny as hell to see people get all worked up over something that really doesn't matter.

 

[Sarah Kerrigan]

Right now it's marvel fangirls. they are arguing that 'oh Harry Osborn is just like Bucky Barnes!' AND I WANT TO RIP THOSE IDIOTS HEADS OFF BECAUSE THEY NEVER CAN BE MUCH MORE WRONG.

 

[SidheKnight]

Frenzy is Red, Rumble is blue!
or the other way around.

Trukk not Munkey!

I haven't heard that one since the time people connected to the internet using dial-up. (a.k.a the '90s).

I think today most Transformers fans recognize Beast Wars as a succesful series and a worthy addition to the TF universe.

But I may be wrong. I'm not a hardcore TF fan, and maybe the failure of the Bayformers reignited the old "G1 purists" spark (no pun intended). Although to be accurate, Beast Wars is part of the G1 continuity, and the main target of fan hate is, again, Michael Bay's desecration of the Transformers.

 

[beastro]

One of the largest was the MST3K Joel vs Mike flame wars that went on on Usenet in the 90s.

 

[Vault101]

One of the worst was a really stupid thing were some idiots said brute Splicers in BioShock 2 are gay.
This is a giant splicer, who took a lot of psysical plasmids. It's macho. It's quite clearly a macho male who tried to be more macho with plasmids.

conforming to ideas of "masculine and feminine" are not fullproof indicators of somones sexuality..the male gay compuntiy I belive as a term for "bear"

[quote/]But somehow, this masculine being, is gay. They somehow think the traits of a masculine man, are gay. All of them. They really think that all the brute splicers are gay. Which is statistically immpossible.
No, it's a a macho man who made himself bigger. That's it. It's quite blatantly a heavy, thuggish, splicer.[/quote]

I don't know what their reasons were but I think youre getting way too worked up over this, and misunderstanding why they might think the brute splicers are gay (it could be a joke, an interpretation or their own sex fantasy)

[quote/]The worst was someone who drew a female brute splicer, with a tiny handbag and girly things. Who somehow did'nt grasp that if a person was lesbian, they probabely display normal female things or masculine things.
And someone who becomes a brute splicer is deliberately trying to make themselves bigger. They don't care about stereotypical female things. There's plasmids to make a female prettier, they'd take them if they wanted to be girly.[/quote]

ummm...not everyone conforms to the butch/femme dychotomy...

[quote/]The increasingly desperate and pathetic arguments they come up with are cretinously moronic.

It's even more moronic when splicers live in Rapture, a place that does'nt care about the usual predujices of the 40s and 50s. A lesbian or homosexual would have no problem being open about it. There would be no hiding it.[/quote]

thats...interestng...being open about it doesn't change where somone lands on the masculine/femminine spectrum though

[quote/]This is disturbing, because, some people clearly think that masculine things are gay now.[/quote]

no....they don't

[quote/]A man can't be macho, without being a closet gay. A character is manly and masculine. And some moron thinks they are gay. They can't just be a straight man.
That is fucked up.[/quote]
defining others sexuality for them is annoying for EVERYONE yes, I think jokes about certain guys being "closeted gays" is often some of the loudest detractors of homosexuality turn out to be gay themselves...add that with this idea of "being a man" sometimes does not allow men to be comfortable with their masculinity and insteas have to constantly prove it through not showing emotion and being homophobic leads to "compensating jokes"


[quote/]This romanticisation of lesbians and gays has gone way too far.[/quote]
uh....huuuuh


[quote/]The most fucked up thing in fandoms is shipping and slashwork. And changing the sexuality of characters for no reason.
Especially when a character is very straight or very lesbian or gay, etc.

Boone in Fallout New Vegas, of all people, get's turned gay! Boone was married to a woman, he is a very straight, serious, man, who adored his wife. But no, some idiots turn him gay.

Adam Jenson could'nt be more straight if he tried. He was with Megan for years. He is a awesome, manly, man.
But no, there's a load of morons who make him gay and with that richardhead Francis Pritchard.

Both are very straight men.[/quote]

it is somtimes dumb when they subvert a charchter for their own ends...HOWEVER it really isn't a big deal because it stays on the fan fic sites (as it should) and everyone KNOWS its just fantasy....nothing more nothing less, and really not worth getting in a huff over.We like to see charachters we like get it on and somtimes in alighment with our own preferences.....so yeah Elsa and Anna from frozen getting it on is actually pretty weird because they are sisters but if we put that aside in fanfic/rule 34 land everything goes..and its all good.

 

[ThreeName]

God, read a book gif inventor (cookie for the reference)

Archer.

And on that topic, neither/both are right. Because it's the English language, and the English language is too cool to even stick to it's own rules. Say it how you want, I'm sticking with the assertion that arguing about it is as idiotic as arguing about the pronunciation of anything else in that damned language.

 

[Dragonlayer]

One of the worst was a really stupid thing were some idiots said brute Splicers in BioShock 2 are gay.
This is a giant splicer, who took a lot of psysical plasmids. It's macho. It's quite clearly a macho male who tried to be more macho with plasmids.
But somehow, this masculine being, is gay. They somehow think the traits of a masculine man, are gay. All of them. They really think that all the brute splicers are gay. Which is statistically immpossible.
No, it's a a macho man who made himself bigger. That's it. It's quite blatantly a heavy, thuggish, splicer.

The worst was someone who drew a female brute splicer, with a tiny handbag and girly things. Who somehow did'nt grasp that if a person was lesbian, they probabely display normal female things or masculine things.
And someone who becomes a brute splicer is deliberately trying to make themselves bigger. They don't care about stereotypical female things. There's plasmids to make a female prettier, they'd take them if they wanted to be girly.

The increasingly desperate and pathetic arguments they come up with are cretinously moronic.

It's even more moronic when splicers live in Rapture, a place that does'nt care about the usual predujices of the 40s and 50s. A lesbian or homosexual would have no problem being open about it. There would be no hiding it.

This is disturbing, because, some people clearly think that masculine things are gay now.
A man can't be macho, without being a closet gay. A character is manly and masculine. And some moron thinks they are gay. They can't just be a straight man.
That is fucked up.
This romanticisation of lesbians and gays has gone way too far.

The most fucked up thing in fandoms is shipping and slashwork. And changing the sexuality of characters for no reason.
Especially when a character is very straight or very lesbian or gay, etc.

Boone in Fallout New Vegas, of all people, get's turned gay! Boone was married to a woman, he is a very straight, serious, man, who adored his wife. But no, some idiots turn him gay.

Adam Jenson could'nt be more straight if he tried. He was with Megan for years. He is a awesome, manly, man.
But no, there's a load of morons who make him gay and with that richardhead Francis Pritchard.

Both are very straight men.

You know that Jordan Thomas, one of the developers who worked on the first Bioshock actually said the Brute Splicer is a closeted homosexual? Now if people are just equating "masculine" with "flaming gay" then that's stupidity on their part, but I distinctly remember the Brute having loads of dialogue that implied he was repressed; stuff like "Argh, get the hell away from me you nonce!" when being attacked or "Don't need no women when I've got a best friend like you" when hypnotized.

Furthermore, where the hell did you get the idea that Rapture doesn't have the prejudices of the time? Nobody underwent any kind of progressive education program when they moved to Rapture, it was just "Do you have enough money to live here and do you like fish and chips?". There weren't any open homosexuals, no blacks/Asians/general non-whites in positions of power (with maybe two or three exceptions that were based entirely on their personal relationship to Andrew Ryan), certainly no religious or political freedom....ironically enough, in certain regards Columbia was a more forward thinking city then Rapture.

I'm with you on the shipping point though: I don't care what relationships you foster in your fan-work, it's just irritating to go onto DeviantArt and see *yet* another gay Assassin's Creed piece on the frontpage. These characters are not gay!

 

[Xdeser2]

Fallout 3 vs Fallout 1. 2, and New Vegas

It's ridiculous. Bethesda made a fantastic adaptation of the series. But of course, its new so its scary and bad and dumb Etc.

The Elder Scrolls games

I mean fucking seriously. I've done my share of ranting on Morrowind, but I dont think its a bad game by any means (and I'm defiantly in the minority, seeing as most people adore it). There's a crazy amount of spite from people about Oblivion and Skyrim and how their "Dumbed Down" for "Casuals". Those arguments usually come down to "Ugh..Oblivion and Skyrim dont have Levitation, Giant Mushrooms or Pauldrons and have fast travel/quest markers so its dumb"

 

[EternallyBored]

I'm with you on the shipping point though: I don't care what relationships you foster in your fan-work, it's just irritating to go onto DeviantArt and see *yet* another gay Assassin's Creed piece on the frontpage. These characters are not gay!

Eh, it's the same reason fans draw wacky crossovers and other things, except instead of thinking that a picture of master chief fighting Samus would look cool, they think seeing a picture of ezio getting his mac on with Nathan Drake is sexy, or hot, or whatever.

Breaking out the canon complaint "but they aren't gay!" just smacks of hypocrisy, I never see these canon complaints crop up when people are handing out lightsabers to the Harry Potter universe, or drawing Goku fighting Superman. Almost nobody is actually saying "it's totally canon that Ezio is gay!", they are saying, "man a picture of Ezio kissing another guy would be really hot", which is pretty much the same logic as, "man a picture of Ezio holding a lightsaber and kicking ass in the Star Wars universe would be totally badass".

Now, if they do actually try to argue that a character with a canon sexuality is actually gay/straight/bisexual, and say that anyone who disagrees with their headcanon is wrong, then yeah that's crossing over from having fun with fan work, to actually trying to change canon to suit your tastes, in which case, feel free to call them out for being stupid.

 

[Dragonlayer]

I'm with you on the shipping point though: I don't care what relationships you foster in your fan-work, it's just irritating to go onto DeviantArt and see *yet* another gay Assassin's Creed piece on the frontpage. These characters are not gay!

Eh, it's the same reason fans draw wacky crossovers and other things, except instead of thinking that a picture of master chief fighting Samus would look cool, they think seeing a picture of ezio getting his mac on with Nathan Drake is sexy, or hot, or whatever.

Breaking out the canon complaint "but they aren't gay!" just smacks of hypocrisy, I never see these canon complaints crop up when people are handing out lightsabers to the Harry Potter universe, or drawing Goku fighting Superman. Almost nobody is actually saying "it's totally canon that Ezio is gay!", they are saying, "man a picture of Ezio kissing another guy would be really hot", which is pretty much the same logic as, "man a picture of Ezio holding a lightsaber and kicking ass in the Star Wars universe would be totally badass".

Now, if they do actually try to argue that a character with a canon sexuality is actually gay/straight/bisexual, and say that anyone who disagrees with their headcanon is wrong, then yeah that's crossing over from having fun with fan work, to actually trying to change canon to suit your tastes, in which case, feel free to call them out for being stupid.

Oh don't get me wrong, I fully understand the reasons behind it and certainly don't crusade to put the "degenerates" in their place, it's just something that annoys me on a personal level.

 

[EternallyBored]

I'm with you on the shipping point though: I don't care what relationships you foster in your fan-work, it's just irritating to go onto DeviantArt and see *yet* another gay Assassin's Creed piece on the frontpage. These characters are not gay!

Eh, it's the same reason fans draw wacky crossovers and other things, except instead of thinking that a picture of master chief fighting Samus would look cool, they think seeing a picture of ezio getting his mac on with Nathan Drake is sexy, or hot, or whatever.

Breaking out the canon complaint "but they aren't gay!" just smacks of hypocrisy, I never see these canon complaints crop up when people are handing out lightsabers to the Harry Potter universe, or drawing Goku fighting Superman. Almost nobody is actually saying "it's totally canon that Ezio is gay!", they are saying, "man a picture of Ezio kissing another guy would be really hot", which is pretty much the same logic as, "man a picture of Ezio holding a lightsaber and kicking ass in the Star Wars universe would be totally badass".

Now, if they do actually try to argue that a character with a canon sexuality is actually gay/straight/bisexual, and say that anyone who disagrees with their headcanon is wrong, then yeah that's crossing over from having fun with fan work, to actually trying to change canon to suit your tastes, in which case, feel free to call them out for being stupid.

Oh don't get me wrong, I fully understand the reasons behind it and certainly don't crusade to put the "degenerates" in their place, it's just something that annoys me on a personal level.

Ah well, everybody's got their personal peeves, no big deal. The whole anti-shipping, anti-gay/yaoi/slash whatever thing tends to be a big controversy in a lot of fandoms.

A lot of people get worked up over it to a ridiculous degree, with one side swearing up and down that their pairings can never be questioned, and trying to pass off their interpretations of pretty much every character being gay/bi/straight as totally canon, no ifs, ands, or buts, and anyone that dares question that is a monster for doing so.

On the other side you've got the group obsessed with "canon purity", except that purity only seems to apply when a character is portrayed as gay. You can put them in alternate dimensions, crossovers, give them all kinds of superpowers, or straight up write or portray them as out of character, but the second you make that character gay, there always seems to be a contingent swooping in to complain about how "this character can't be gay! It's not canon!", of course they only really care about canon when it comes to sexuality, so they tend to disappear when it comes time to care about any other facet of that character.

So yeah, shipping and anti-shipping arguements in general are a case of dumb fandom infighting that I've seen for the last 20 years, and I know its been going on even before that.

 

[Dragonlayer]

I'm with you on the shipping point though: I don't care what relationships you foster in your fan-work, it's just irritating to go onto DeviantArt and see *yet* another gay Assassin's Creed piece on the frontpage. These characters are not gay!

Eh, it's the same reason fans draw wacky crossovers and other things, except instead of thinking that a picture of master chief fighting Samus would look cool, they think seeing a picture of ezio getting his mac on with Nathan Drake is sexy, or hot, or whatever.

Breaking out the canon complaint "but they aren't gay!" just smacks of hypocrisy, I never see these canon complaints crop up when people are handing out lightsabers to the Harry Potter universe, or drawing Goku fighting Superman. Almost nobody is actually saying "it's totally canon that Ezio is gay!", they are saying, "man a picture of Ezio kissing another guy would be really hot", which is pretty much the same logic as, "man a picture of Ezio holding a lightsaber and kicking ass in the Star Wars universe would be totally badass".

Now, if they do actually try to argue that a character with a canon sexuality is actually gay/straight/bisexual, and say that anyone who disagrees with their headcanon is wrong, then yeah that's crossing over from having fun with fan work, to actually trying to change canon to suit your tastes, in which case, feel free to call them out for being stupid.

Oh don't get me wrong, I fully understand the reasons behind it and certainly don't crusade to put the "degenerates" in their place, it's just something that annoys me on a personal level.

Ah well, everybody's got their personal peeves, no big deal. The whole anti-shipping, anti-gay/yaoi/slash whatever thing tends to be a big controversy in a lot of fandoms.

A lot of people get worked up over it to a ridiculous degree, with one side swearing up and down that their pairings can never be questioned, and trying to pass off their interpretations of pretty much every character being gay/bi/straight as totally canon, no ifs, ands, or buts, and anyone that dares question that is a monster for doing so.

On the other side you've got the group obsessed with "canon purity", except that purity only seems to apply when a character is portrayed as gay. You can put them in alternate dimensions, crossovers, give them all kinds of superpowers, or straight up write or portray them as out of character, but the second you make that character gay, there always seems to be a contingent swooping in to complain about how "this character can't be gay! It's not canon!", of course they only really care about canon when it comes to sexuality, so they tend to disappear when it comes time to care about any other facet of that character.

So yeah, shipping and anti-shipping arguements in general are a case of dumb fandom infighting that I've seen for the last 20 years, and I know its been going on even before that.

Yeah, from what I've seen it can rouse quite the fanatical fury on both sides, which I think is the absolute height of pointlessness: the way I see it, people are perfectly entitled to make whatever they want in fan-works and just plain attacking them for it (not criticizing or commenting, just attacking) is a load of bollocks. But, like you pointed out, if they try to force it into official cannon or onto others, then bugger that. I personally dislike the "gayafication" of stuff, but no-one is forcing me to look at it so I'm not going to go out of my way to say "WURST FING EVA!".

 

[Dragonlayer]

One of the worst was a really stupid thing were some idiots said brute Splicers in BioShock 2 are gay.
This is a giant splicer, who took a lot of psysical plasmids. It's macho. It's quite clearly a macho male who tried to be more macho with plasmids.
But somehow, this masculine being, is gay. They somehow think the traits of a masculine man, are gay. All of them. They really think that all the brute splicers are gay. Which is statistically immpossible.
No, it's a a macho man who made himself bigger. That's it. It's quite blatantly a heavy, thuggish, splicer.

The worst was someone who drew a female brute splicer, with a tiny handbag and girly things. Who somehow did'nt grasp that if a person was lesbian, they probabely display normal female things or masculine things.
And someone who becomes a brute splicer is deliberately trying to make themselves bigger. They don't care about stereotypical female things. There's plasmids to make a female prettier, they'd take them if they wanted to be girly.

The increasingly desperate and pathetic arguments they come up with are cretinously moronic.

It's even more moronic when splicers live in Rapture, a place that does'nt care about the usual predujices of the 40s and 50s. A lesbian or homosexual would have no problem being open about it. There would be no hiding it.

This is disturbing, because, some people clearly think that masculine things are gay now.
A man can't be macho, without being a closet gay. A character is manly and masculine. And some moron thinks they are gay. They can't just be a straight man.
That is fucked up.
This romanticisation of lesbians and gays has gone way too far.

The most fucked up thing in fandoms is shipping and slashwork. And changing the sexuality of characters for no reason.
Especially when a character is very straight or very lesbian or gay, etc.

Boone in Fallout New Vegas, of all people, get's turned gay! Boone was married to a woman, he is a very straight, serious, man, who adored his wife. But no, some idiots turn him gay.

Adam Jenson could'nt be more straight if he tried. He was with Megan for years. He is a awesome, manly, man.
But no, there's a load of morons who make him gay and with that richardhead Francis Pritchard.

Both are very straight men.

You know that Jordan Thomas, one of the developers who worked on the first Bioshock actually said the Brute Splicer is a closeted homosexual? Now if people are just equating "masculine" with "flaming gay" then that's stupidity on their part, but I distinctly remember the Brute having loads of dialogue that implied he was repressed; stuff like "Argh, get the hell away from me you nonce!" when being attacked or "Don't need no women when I've got a best friend like you" when hypnotized.

Furthermore, where the hell did you get the idea that Rapture doesn't have the prejudices of the time? Nobody underwent any kind of progressive education program when they moved to Rapture, it was just "Do you have enough money to live here and do you like fish and chips?". There weren't any open homosexuals, no blacks/Asians/general non-whites in positions of power (with maybe two or three exceptions that were based entirely on their personal relationship to Andrew Ryan), certainly no religious or political freedom....ironically enough, in certain regards Columbia was a more forward thinking city then Rapture.

I'm with you on the shipping point though: I don't care what relationships you foster in your fan-work, it's just irritating to go onto DeviantArt and see *yet* another gay Assassin's Creed piece on the frontpage. These characters are not gay!

Rapture is free of predjudices, just like it's free of social and religious control.
There is a very clear homosexual in Sander Cohen. A man who slept with 4 men at once, and was not hiding anything. He spent the entire time having sex with men who had their own agendas.
And he was the boss of a area.
Most of the leads are female, Sander Cohen was a very high boss.

Bioshock 2 had some stupid things in it that were'nt in Bioshock 1.
There is zero sexism or racism in B1. But B2 had sexism and racism for no reason at all.
It does'nt go with it, and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Rapture most definately was free from predjudices and various social controls.
But worthy, stupid, bits of bad writing added things that did'nt exist.

The brute splicers make no sense whatsoever, in any way at all. Especially when you look at the high end boss Sander Cohen. A man who was hiding nothing at all.

I don't care what the idiots who wrote some of Bioshock 2 say. It would'nt be the first time writers have changed their tune to suit fans.
These are the same people who thought killing off the lead was clever.

"Rapture is free of prejudices, just like it's free of social and religious control" - what!? Rapture was a reflection of the 50s society that its residents came from! Ok, maybe people were a bit more open minded because they were willing to engage in some kind of insane underwater Libertarian experiment but just count the amount of non-whites. Hell, count the amount of non-WASP whites. There was.....the single black woman who was the propaganda singer and.....there was an Irish dude who Ryan had personally contracted for architecture.....and there was Suchong and Tenenbaum, both accepted because of their scientific skills. Not only that, but while the ideal for Rapture was that it would lack any government intervention or "control", it very quickly fell apart when Adam was discovered and it screwed up Ryan's idea of a free market ruled city, forcing him to crack down on Fontaine (not to mention he had banned religion; those fishermen Splicers were bible smugglers).

Sander Cohen was the "boss" in the sense that he was friends with Andrew Ryan and that everyone was fucking terrified of him: there wasn't any information saying that he pranced around pre-civil war Rapture having sex with any man he liked, openly and without any repercussions. Just about all the audio logs in the area he was the "boss" of (because he was a Ryan loyalist and a functioning insane Splicer) all allude to his degeneracy, with one of the imprisoned artists crying about what a "sick fuck" he was. Sander Cohen was a warlord, not an accepted gay figure.

Which leads me nicely onto the Brute Splicer, who if I recall correctly speaks with a strong British accent: given the things he says, it's all but certain he's a repressed homosexual, precisely because 50s British society frowned upon that sort of thing. Plus, the creative director of the game the enemy appears said it was so....

"I don't care what the idiots who wrote some of Bioshock 2 say. It would'nt be the first time writers have changed their tune to suit fans." - Firstly, I'm fairly certain the dude said this while he was working on the game; granted I'm not the be-all, end-all master of all Shock related information but I don't remember a great hullabaloo from the fans speculating over an expendable enemy type being gay or not. Secondly, aren't you doing what you professed to hate about shippers? "I DON'T CARE WHAT THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO MADE THIS GAME SAY: THIS GUY IS STRAIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO!"

Look, I get disagreeing with game developers; you'd be hard pressed to get me to say anything positive about Killzone 3's half-baked abortion plot but I acknowledge that it's canon because it was made by the developers.

 

[monkey_man]

How to pronounce "gif". It's clearly jif, like Girafe or Jelly. The inventor says so.

It stands for Graphics Interchange Format. It's gif. Not Jraphics interchange format. I dont care what his peanut butter loving butt thinks.

 

[Ratty]

It's never got to anything approaching gaming flamewar levels, but I've seen heated arguments about what colour Legolas' hair should be (Tolkien never explicitly states it). Basically there's a passage that can sometimes be interpreted as showing he has dark hair, but there are equally strong indications that he's blond. Short of finding a hidden manuscript or something, there is literally no way anyone could prove it one way or the other so the whole thing is completely pointless.

Maybe his blond hair and obvious dark eyebrows in the movies were a compromise? (jk)

Light Side Sith

You've never seen an argument until you've seen THAT argument.

Evil Paladins.
The passion involved on both sides of these arguments borders on the scary

Paladins shouldn't be evil. Being freakishly devoted to lawful good is their most defining characteristic. If you want to be a Lord Soth clone[footnote]Still much better than a Drizzst clone.[/footnote] so badly just be a Blackguard.