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Against bullies it usually works.Nouw said:
You see, they bully others because they think they have power. This guy fought back and will most likely be left alone for the entire year.
I've read similar cases in Sweden where one bully locked himself in with his victim but this time the victim had enough and started to beat the crap out of him. That pretty much stopped the entire bullying part.
All though pile driving might have been a tad bit too much it's probably did a much greater effect on the kid.
No, it doesn't help and have never helped. If you have been bullied you would know this. Telling the teacher won't really get the kid into any real trouble. They can't even get the kid expelled for bullying or have him transfered to another school which imo would be the best choice.Nouw said:
Most of the time it's the victim that has to move. THE VICTIM.
The whole "no violence will solve everything" pfft yea right. Kids are kids, the moment they bound something to pain they are bound to be hesitating more the next time because it hurts and pain isn't fun for kids.
This comes from experience because people bullied me due to my last name. I told the teachers several times and they talked with the guys. Nothing ever happened. So I had to wait several years before they grew up and actually got nicer. Had I beaten the crap out of them they most likely wouldn't do it.
I have very very strong views on self defence. I think casey was entirely in the right. Imagine if this pathetic depraved excuse for a rat decided to go punch some random guy in the street. He would get the crap beaten out of him. You start a fight you cant win? You get the crap kicked out of you. Its basic rule of real life. Is it fair? Maybe not. Is it what happens? Sure as hell. Next time your out try and find someone twice your size. Then imagine what would happen if, unprovoked, you assaulted this person.chunkeymonke said:
I also believe people who get pleasure from inflicting suffering on others are not people, do not possess souls, and are little better than animals (for the duration of their outbursts for pure evil, redemption and reformation are good). See that rat things face when he insults casey, and just nails him in the face? He doesnt even see casey as a person. By my definition this rat kid has given up his right to be called a person (albiet only for this situation). He is now an animal of the lowest order. I think if casey died that rat kid wouldnt have given two fucks. Why does he have more right? He doesnt. And he got what he deserved. Being punched in the face is serious, that could have broken his nose or knocked him out cold. If his head went back into the brick wall he could have suffered brain trauma.
I used to believe that too, I always posted 'violence has solved the most problems' for a while and realized that I was an idiot. I'm not going to try and convince you but when you find out too please tell me.Zefar said:
[sub]I'm not implying you're an idiot.[/sub]
As a victim of bullying in my pre-teen years and a anti-bully(one that scared them away with a stare) during my teens i can tell you one thing.
bullys dont listen with their ears, they listen with their body. words wont make them stop, no matter how well you phrase yourself.
the only thing that will make a bully stop is
1, boredom of a target (unlikely)
2, serious threat to their wellbeing. be it parents or school threatening them with something.
3, a alpha male display.
3, is the reason why you will see bullys throw punches at eachothers sometimes to judge eachother and get the ranks established.
and it is the reason why most people will need to stand up just once against their bully to make them stop. (wont allways work, but in most cases)
its hard to get past bullying. i myself was lucky to grow fast and at a young age. other people aint so lucky.
bullys dont listen with their ears, they listen with their body. words wont make them stop, no matter how well you phrase yourself.
the only thing that will make a bully stop is
1, boredom of a target (unlikely)
2, serious threat to their wellbeing. be it parents or school threatening them with something.
3, a alpha male display.
3, is the reason why you will see bullys throw punches at eachothers sometimes to judge eachother and get the ranks established.
and it is the reason why most people will need to stand up just once against their bully to make them stop. (wont allways work, but in most cases)
its hard to get past bullying. i myself was lucky to grow fast and at a young age. other people aint so lucky.
@AngloDoom
Perhaps you'd like to respond to the OP directly, rather than with vague platitudes. He or she wasn't only giving an opinion, they were trying to justify their position as well as asking for a justification from people whose 'opinion' opposed theirs.
On a general note, I agree strongly with the OP. I find it extremely troubling how many people seem to think that revenge is more important than the rule of law.
What could he have done? Called the cops. Bullies are scumbags, but revenge does not make anything right.
Perhaps you'd like to respond to the OP directly, rather than with vague platitudes. He or she wasn't only giving an opinion, they were trying to justify their position as well as asking for a justification from people whose 'opinion' opposed theirs.
On a general note, I agree strongly with the OP. I find it extremely troubling how many people seem to think that revenge is more important than the rule of law.
What could he have done? Called the cops. Bullies are scumbags, but revenge does not make anything right.
I have been bullied and the problem solved itself. I didn't make any physical contact, didn't tell a teacher (should have) but it was a done and dusted deal.bringer of illumination said:
Violence isn't a solution, get over it.
[sub]I'm not a fucking hippy or a pacifist either.[/sub]
Funny how no one gave a shit when Casey was getting bullied, but everyone is in an uproar when he has the audacity to defend himself. That's the way it works though. If it's a kid bullying another kid, it's not a problem, and the authorities ignore it. But if the one bullied actually stands up for himself, it's a fight and something has to be done.
Ultimately, if that jerk got injured, it's the school's and parents' fault for allowing this crap to go on in the first place.
Ultimately, if that jerk got injured, it's the school's and parents' fault for allowing this crap to go on in the first place.
I've said this in another thread but unfortunately that got ignored. BOTH kids have problems. Casey has rage fits DUE to being bullied and protecting the bullies will NOT help Casey. They NEED to be helped, both of them. People aren't born bullies. Some psychological trauma is necesarry for them to have absolutely no empathy for those around them. Casey obviously has psychological trauma resulting from years of abuse at the hands of the bullies, but the bullies themselves also have a problem. Be it they were/are bullied themselves or they have problems at home they also need help. Both these kids have problems with their rage. The difference is, one of them is releasing it by torturing other kids and the other is just keeping it inside him due to being to afraid to act.
BOTH of their behaviors can be excused. The bully is releasing his rage by harassing other kids whilst Casey was keeping his inside. Once it built up enough he released it in the form of beating up that bully. They BOTH need help. The bully's source of rage needs to be found and blocked off be it those other "friends" of his or maybe even his parents. He needs to be put into counseling to deal with his problems. If no problem can be found then he obviously has a mental disorder which can also be treated.
Casey needs theraphy to help with his own rage brought on by years of abuse. The reason for this is obvious and attempting to demonize him without understanding what actually brought him to give in to his instincts is absolutely moronic, the same way attempting to demonize the other kid for also giving in to his instincts is moronic.
I did the same thing not to long ago without delving in deeper. Think about it for a second and you'll see this makes sense.
BOTH of their behaviors can be excused. The bully is releasing his rage by harassing other kids whilst Casey was keeping his inside. Once it built up enough he released it in the form of beating up that bully. They BOTH need help. The bully's source of rage needs to be found and blocked off be it those other "friends" of his or maybe even his parents. He needs to be put into counseling to deal with his problems. If no problem can be found then he obviously has a mental disorder which can also be treated.
Casey needs theraphy to help with his own rage brought on by years of abuse. The reason for this is obvious and attempting to demonize him without understanding what actually brought him to give in to his instincts is absolutely moronic, the same way attempting to demonize the other kid for also giving in to his instincts is moronic.
I did the same thing not to long ago without delving in deeper. Think about it for a second and you'll see this makes sense.
This isn't always true. The public school system is terrible when it comes to dealing with any kind of bullying. Normally the bully just gets a harsh talking to, a call home, and a few days suspension. Then when they get back they beat you for ratting them out. I would bet my life that Cacey went and talked to the teachers and admins at his school and they just didn't care. After a while instinct took over and he fought back.Nouw said:
Let me put it this way. No, violence isn't always the answer, but sometimes it is the only one. The kind of people that bully others are not normally the kind that will stop if you say please. They want to look big, tough, and cool, and what better way to do that then pick on someone twice your size. I have been bullied for the last six years of my life and I can tell you the only way to deal with these people is to fight back and defend yourself.
Couldn't agree more, violence is not a 100 percent garuntee to stop bullying, it can lead to the victim believing that is the only solution to deal with bullying (or in the worst case scenario being slighted by someone). The real issue lies in the school system being able to identify and tackle bullying, they are highly incompetent at that and can just excarbate the situtation. Which is why in the practicalities of the situation Casey was well within in the right of "humbling" the bully and showed great self restraint by not pummeling the bully further.keve4433 said:
I can only hope the situation cools down and Casey does not bring himself into a string of fights with people.
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After having a discussion with a teacher, it also appears that educating students to intervene when bulling occurs will create a enviroment of support, which means less bullying will occur because bullies will fear being ostrascised by other students.
He was not close to killing him. Even if he did and I know this sounds cold but we need less people like that little brat in the world. Besides it feel good to kick a recuring bully's ass.
Kid was taking blows to his face, he had every right to defend himself using (counter)violence.
Might have gone a bit far, but that he was apparently surrounded, being beaten, and had suffered severe bullying for years makes him snapping and not exactly thinking about a tactically measured response considering all anatomical risks quite understandable.
Might have gone a bit far, but that he was apparently surrounded, being beaten, and had suffered severe bullying for years makes him snapping and not exactly thinking about a tactically measured response considering all anatomical risks quite understandable.