No i wasnt. I never played those "time waster" (for lact of better name) games like tetris or pacman. I went all in and strath to the case, starcraft, warcraft 2, age of empires, ever since my first game i was creating whole campaigns for myself (back then no internet, so i created maps for me alone). i dont consider myseld hardcore game, but an obsessive gamer.Racecarlock said:
What separates the hardcore and casual crowd
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What if we combine Garrus and Batman into one entity. The universe would explode due to the sheer awesomeness.xSKULLY said:
The division is completely meaningless as is the so called "hardcore" group hating on the casual group for eroding the industry as companies cater for them. That's like professional football players moaning that college teams are destroying the sport if they get supporters.
I could say casual gamers are the scum of the earth, you know why? A casual gamer will never go near a gaming site, ever! They play casually, they don't want to spend hours talking about the games they played way back when or how good/bad ME3's ending was.Racecarlock said:
They want to play for 10 minutes then do something else.
These casual gamers will never be in the game making industry, they have no passion for it. Who would you take on? A person who has been playing every genre of game for most of there life, reads forums and finding out about all kinds of games and is quite creative or somebody who isn't that into games but is quite creative?
Easy pick!
Casual gamers are fine, nothing wrong with them and I have nothing against them. I do have a teeny problem with devs and/or publishers pandering to them though, so we have gone from "you figure it out" to "I will not let go of your hand!".
To me a casual gamer is somebody who plays a little of 1 or 2 games or only plays like party games (rock band, guitar hero etc).
Hardcore gamers are just about every person on this forum, people who like to read and talk about games or somebody who just loves one genre and wants to be the best he can be at that game ... like he would become great at starcraft and maybe enter a few competitions.
There is nothing wrong with either group though, just depends on what you like or don't like.
The ARMA 2 crowd lol jks.
People who spend a lot of time gaming I would say are more "into" it than people who just sit down for a race or two.
People who spend a lot of time gaming I would say are more "into" it than people who just sit down for a race or two.
Eh, in my experience anyone that calls themselves "Hardcore" anything is a bit of a tool. Please someone tell me what's so particularly "hardcore" about sitting down for extended periods of time bashing buttons and keys while spinning your mouse or joystick?
If you play games you're a gamer. Everything else is in your head.
If you play games you're a gamer. Everything else is in your head.
It's dedication.
The "hardcore" crowd play games to get better at playing games.
The "casual" crowd play games more for fun and enjoyment.
It's similar to the difference between a violin virtuoso who tours the world and a violinist who plays at casual gatherings for fun.
...and, as many have said, the hardcore crowd wouldn't mind the casual crowd so much if developers did not dumb down niche franchises.
I don't care about casual games, but I care about niche games becoming casual.
The "hardcore" crowd play games to get better at playing games.
The "casual" crowd play games more for fun and enjoyment.
It's similar to the difference between a violin virtuoso who tours the world and a violinist who plays at casual gatherings for fun.
...and, as many have said, the hardcore crowd wouldn't mind the casual crowd so much if developers did not dumb down niche franchises.
I don't care about casual games, but I care about niche games becoming casual.
Of course there's a fucking hardcore crowd and a casual crowd, how fucking stupid are you guys that you can't see that?
Hardcore gamers are people who play games with a particular dedication. Casual gamers are people who dip in and out of games as they please. It's the same with books and films and pretty much any other form of entertainment. I'm a casual reader: I don't read every day, I read as I please and find it interesting, there is no dedication to the book I read.
Being casual doesn't make you worse than a hardcore, it makes you god damn fucking casual.
Hardcore gamers are people who play games with a particular dedication. Casual gamers are people who dip in and out of games as they please. It's the same with books and films and pretty much any other form of entertainment. I'm a casual reader: I don't read every day, I read as I please and find it interesting, there is no dedication to the book I read.
Being casual doesn't make you worse than a hardcore, it makes you god damn fucking casual.
What separates Hardcore and causal gamers is time and effort put into videogames. That's it. Otherwise, you're just arguing over aesthetics. Many so called "hardcore" games (like call of duty) aren't "hardcore" because they require great amounts of investment; they're "hardcore" because they fit an aesthetic that their target audience think is "mature".
I don't really understand the thesis of the argument. It seems to suggest every gamer who labels themselves as a "hardcore gamer" hates casuals and "casual games", which is absolutely fallicious.
It also assume everyone subscribes to OP's personal description of what a "hardcore" gamer is and what a hardcore "game" is. You can, IMO, be "hardcore" about a casual game. I've seen the math on the probability of landing on each square in monopoly and the cost to benefit ratio of owning that square. That's a pretty hardcore analysis of a casual game.
I think the "issue" is that what I would personally deem a "hardcore" game is essentially not made any more. I'm talking tower of elemental evil, icewind dale, x-com, space trading/exploration/management games; games that are very deep, very complicated and very rewarding of learning and understanding the games mechanics. In the words of the op in this thread:
I do, however, agree gaming should be for everyone. It's a fantastic, lucrative, magical and flexible medium that shouldn't exclude people.
It also assume everyone subscribes to OP's personal description of what a "hardcore" gamer is and what a hardcore "game" is. You can, IMO, be "hardcore" about a casual game. I've seen the math on the probability of landing on each square in monopoly and the cost to benefit ratio of owning that square. That's a pretty hardcore analysis of a casual game.
I think the "issue" is that what I would personally deem a "hardcore" game is essentially not made any more. I'm talking tower of elemental evil, icewind dale, x-com, space trading/exploration/management games; games that are very deep, very complicated and very rewarding of learning and understanding the games mechanics. In the words of the op in this thread:
Well, my preferences have already been disregarded and thrown into obscurity. There is maybe a game like the above released every two or three years, but we get a modern war FPS (which I absolutely deem casual) once a month.Racecarlock said:
I do, however, agree gaming should be for everyone. It's a fantastic, lucrative, magical and flexible medium that shouldn't exclude people.
Seems like the problem is everyone has a different definition of hardcore and casual.
I always thought a 'hardcore' gamer was someone who scheduled parts of their life around a game where as a 'casual' would prioritize real life over games. Didn't think it had anything to do with skill, time played, or attitude.
I always thought a 'hardcore' gamer was someone who scheduled parts of their life around a game where as a 'casual' would prioritize real life over games. Didn't think it had anything to do with skill, time played, or attitude.
I think the problem here is basically the homogenization of genres. When publishers feel the need to make everything more like the most popular titles.Yosharian said:
They don't realize that attempting to convert a franchise into something more Call of Duty-like isn't going attract the Call of Duty players for the simple reason that it's still not Call of Duty.
What they tend to end up with is disappointed fans... and new players who quit playing halfway through and won't have any interest in the sequels. (According to BioWare's own statistics, as an example, 50% of ME2 players hadn't finished the game 11 months after release.)
So, some (Read again: SOME) hardcore gamers don't like casual gamers because they end up getting less niche games? What about the witcher 2? What about torchlight? What about kingdoms of amalur? I think there are also plenty of new RTS titles out there for people who still enjoy those. Ok, so it's bad when a developer or publishers sort of mitigate their games to appeal to bigger crowds. But, that's not the casual gamer's fault, is it? If you want more niche games, don't tell the casual gamers, tell the developers and the publishers. Don't sit there and insult the casual gamers (again, not all of you do that and I have to put in disclaimers like this) because they don't play as long or as hard as you do. That's not going to help anything.
i hate hardcore gamers. even though i've been a big collector and player since i was born, i still never associated myself with hardcore gamers. however i don't associate myself as casual either. maybe in between?