Actually there have been plenty of occasions where characters with The Power Cosmic or similar levels of power (Quasar, Thor, Sersei, etc...) have shown up to try and stop The Hulk, and have failed. I don't think it's something that can be sanely debated if you know the subject to begin with.llagrok said:[
This post is a lot better than your initial one. I have to say that much.
You are referring to a different point in the Infinity Gauntlet than I am. I strictly referred to his fight with the heroes. Not the fight with the celestial cohort. I was referring to this incident;
I never said that the Hulk has not beaten teams of superheroes, but that matters little. I replied to your comment about cosmic characters barely slowing him down. The only cosmic regular you see on super-hero teams is Thor, and as I'm sure you recall, Thor and Hulk held eachother in place for minutes, hours even. Once you start going up the ladder, there's nothing impressive about the Hulk beating up Iron Man, Wonder Man and Namor. The teams are vastly inferior to the sum of their parts and the Hulk isn't a character you can "chip down". He obviously benefits from having "lesser" opponents wail on him, it's fuel.
There are many simple solutions to the Hulk problem. And the reason why they are not considered is obviously due to editorial management. There is nothing Reed Richards should not be able to accomplish given what he's done. You obviously cannot just have them "Cure" one of Marvel's best selling, and most famous, characters.
Like I mentioned, and I get the feeling that you ignored major parts of my post for you certainly did not reply to them, Mindless Hulk is the strongest he should have been. Regardless of that, why would you be "wow"ed by Secret Wars? He BRACED part of a mountainside, Banner himself mentions this, and this was not the same as lifting it. But even that isn't such a big deal because he's held together tectonic plates in planet hulk, but even that is a far cry from when Thor braces worlds against Kang or Karnilla.
Hulk has hundreds of weakness and relying on energy might be his greatest one.
You did not really try to defend any of your wild claims. There's nothing the Hulk has done to warrant a victory over Thanos, or wild claims that several cosmic characters can not slow him down. I have no interest in discussing how movie-hulk would do against anyone or who he is similar to. That would be pure speculation.
The bit with Thanos saying "I'm going to give them a chance" is debatable given reveals later in the story where it was made clear that Thanos did not have mastery over the powers. Indeed he might very well have thought he was in a position to make such a gesture when he really wasn't.
At any rate, the point about The Hulk wasn't directly from my opinion. As I stated in my initial post, that's something Marvel themselves pointed out (in Wizard I believe, in a retrospective) in answering questions about what characters got to be present in that fight, since there was a whole universe of heroes that didn't wind up (and practically they couldn't use all of them), some were excluded simply because they would have had a way to beat him and ruin the story, others were redundant, and given the nature of the story they wanted as many big (as in well known) characters as they could to be at the forefront. Some like The Hulk had to be written in a way that they wouldn't de-rail the entire battle. It's hard to prove at this point, but I stand by it, and it does make sense if you've followed The Hulk. If Thanos either can't or won't (for the purposes of this discussion it doesn't much matter) just alter reality to kill everyone, what is he going to do to The Hulk? Energy blasts? The Hulk when he's mad enough can take as much powerful as comically powered guys dish out. Is he going to punch him? Good luck with that. Mind control might work if it got in BEFORE he got bad enough to just cause a massive telepathic feedback loop on whomever tried it (sometimes mentalism can calm him down, sometimes it has the person trying it going "argghh! the rage, I can't handle it! argggh!". As I said, Thanos really would have just wound up with a foot print in his face, but that issue never arose because we had "rational hulk" who was tough, but not anything close to his full power level.
It's sort of like how even leading up to that point none of the characters who probably could have stopped Thanos cold in even getting that far were around, or at their full power if they were.
I mean don't get me wrong, Thanos is a tough villain, but he's not all that.
I'm also not saying that The Hulk has no weaknesses, being STUPID when he's at full power is one of them for example, another is the fact that he has to become enraged and continue to get madder and madder to reach his full level of power. Really, the easiest way to deal with The Hulk is more or less to leave him alone.