@errtheking was responding to the number of posts that had already made it 'Japan vs the West.' There's at least 4-5 posts above that blame the whole lack of T&A games on the West's prudishness (which is a rather colored view ignoring many parts of Japanese society). It had already been made into East vs West =/Lightspeaker said:*sigh*
You really have to make this about Japan vs West when that is totally irrelevant to the point?
Fine. HuniePop. Stick HuniePop in there instead of Nekopara. Or HunieCam. Neither were made in Japan as far as I'm aware. Same question. I'd lay money on it being someone buying HuniePop getting a weird look rather than Doom.
More that they don't rely JUST on sex appeal. Usually they're big on story and character, and sex is something that happens as part of the story. Often they try to draw some emotional involvement from the player to give the sex scenes context and meaning.Ragsnstitches said:I'm confused. In general the use of boobs in western games is purely a lazy aesthetic design, true... but they are usually inconsequential to the rest of the game (beyond possibly making no sense thematically). In fact, I actually can't think of any games outside of Leisure Suit Larry that has tits as a focus at all, and those games are largely played for laughs as the sexual payoff is tepid at best.infohippie said:Unfortunately, the way the west does it is to expect the boobs to hold up the game all by themselves. Doesn't matter how many boobs your game has in it, it needs story, character design, and gameplay. Sadly, those three elements are often skimped on badly.
I read this as you saying that eastern developers make good titty games that don't rely on the sex appeal?
....Uh. Is saying that different cultures have different tastes making things West vs East? And people seem more than happy to jump on how "Oh all Americ-I mean westerners are prudes" After that is me saying "We have different tastes" really that far out there?Lightspeaker said:Snip
Best post so far.hermes said:Because they are niche here. They are also the product of a bygone era, where titillation was rare and hard to find, so hormone filled teenagers had to get it from anywhere, like renting Heavy Metal, pirating Playboy, playing Leisure Suit Larry or sharing your older brother Penthouse collection.
With Internet at our disposal, there is erotica everywhere. Even youtube has adult-like content that can be accessed with a 18+ years account... For the Internet savvy newer generations, it is harder to miss than to find, so the idea of companies investing several thousands or millions of dollars to provide that content is dumb business decisions.
It becomes clear that a lot of peoples sole exposure to Japanese culture is anime/manga, which is akin to learning about America from Crime Dramas and Comic Books.Avnger said:@errtheking was responding to the number of posts that had already made it 'Japan vs the West.' There's at least 4-5 posts above that blame the whole lack of T&A games on the West's prudishness (which is a rather colored view ignoring many parts of Japanese society). It had already been made into East vs West =/Lightspeaker said:*sigh*
You really have to make this about Japan vs West when that is totally irrelevant to the point?
Fine. HuniePop. Stick HuniePop in there instead of Nekopara. Or HunieCam. Neither were made in Japan as far as I'm aware. Same question. I'd lay money on it being someone buying HuniePop getting a weird look rather than Doom.
Also, one would assume good spank material is operated hands free, something conventional games are inherently antithetical towards. Hence why porn wasn't popularly consumed in jigsaw or rubix cube form.Smithnikov said:Best post so far.hermes said:Because they are niche here. They are also the product of a bygone era, where titillation was rare and hard to find, so hormone filled teenagers had to get it from anywhere, like renting Heavy Metal, pirating Playboy, playing Leisure Suit Larry or sharing your older brother Penthouse collection.
With Internet at our disposal, there is erotica everywhere. Even youtube has adult-like content that can be accessed with a 18+ years account... For the Internet savvy newer generations, it is harder to miss than to find, so the idea of companies investing several thousands or millions of dollars to provide that content is dumb business decisions.
The absence of games like that aren't because of some SJW conspiracy or right wing prudishness, it's simple supply and demand that's made it niche. Why pay AAA prices for a game featuring DOA spank material when far more explicit stuff is just a Deviantart or Gelbooru search away?
This is not that accurate at all. Most Visual Novels have a half-assed story with stereotyped characters that all fall into Japanese Anime Trope Land they can't escape from. Many VNs are there to cater to the already built in fan-base in Japan. They do not have to try very hard to craft a good story, because it is going to sell pretty well anyway as long as it is competently put together. Which is why the Harem anime genre is still so popular despite the lack of any real quality what so ever. They start to get samey after a while. It is all about merchandising, and less to do with anything story or character related. Most of the time the characters are boring planks of generic wood in the case of the protagonists (cause you are supposed to insert yourself in there) and the love interests are all walking anime tropes that have very little to them outside of their over-played personalities. Of course, this is not true for EVERYTHING. There are quite a few amazing Visual Novels out there. But most of them aren't going to be Fate/Stay Night or Steins;Gate.infohippie said:More that they don't rely JUST on sex appeal. Usually they're big on story and character, and sex is something that happens as part of the story. Often they try to draw some emotional involvement from the player to give the sex scenes context and meaning.
The average VN seems to be:Orga777 said:This is not that accurate at all. Most Visual Novels have a half-assed story with stereotyped characters that all fall into Japanese Anime Trope Land they can't escape from. Many VNs are there to cater to the already built in fan-base in Japan. They do not have to try very hard to craft a good story, because it is going to sell pretty well anyway as long as it is competently put together. Which is why the Harem anime genre is still so popular despite the lack of any real quality what so ever. They start to get samey after a while. It is all about merchandising, and less to do with anything story or character related. Most of the time the characters are boring planks of generic wood in the case of the protagonists (cause you are supposed to insert yourself in there) and the love interests are all walking anime tropes that have very little to them outside of their over-played personalities. Of course, this is not true for EVERYTHING. There are quite a few amazing Visual Novels out there. But most of them aren't going to be Fate/Stay Night or Steins;Gate.Lightspeaker said:More that they don't rely JUST on sex appeal. Usually they're big on story and character, and sex is something that happens as part of the story. Often they try to draw some emotional involvement from the player to give the sex scenes context and meaning.
Interestingly enough about those two examples? One of them doesn't have sex at all, and the other one dropped it as fast as possible in every single later release, which tells me that they don't need sex at all to be good. It can actually detract from it some times. The original F/SN for instance only had the scenes in the game because the company didn't think it would sell without them, so they shoe horned them in. Nasu didn't even write those scenes, and it shows. They are so horribly written that it actively takes away from the experience.
I'm confused. What part about 'the prejudice' is stopping these games from being profitable for western release?Guilion said:The prejudice present in this thread towards that kind of games and the people who play it is pretty telling as to why it hasn't happened yet.
Curious. The most common insult I've seen thrown around in this thread so far has been 'prudish.'Guilion said:The prejudice present in this thread towards that kind of games and the people who play it is pretty telling as to why it hasn't happened yet.
Yeah every country has sex and violence and you will find extremes in every country I was speaking in generalistion and yes while that is not accurate because it is impossible to be so you need only look at what a country markets and digests. Heck look at the differences between two of the east and wests most famous fighters Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Even the this thread is about why do western devs not make certain games like Japan does. Short being their are differences just saying well both countries have sex and violence does not mean they are entirely the same in view of the people. That said Japan seems to be more focused on erotica than sex as such.Einspanner said:That's laughable. Japan has violence that would make your eyes bleed, and the West has sex that would offend a Japanese salaryman on a bender. You need to move beyond inaccurate talking points.
Maximum Bert said:It must be noted though that DOA does not have nudity sure some of the costumes are a little risque especially in the beach volleyball series but there is never any nudity. If it did have that I am unsure if it would increase or decrease sales but I am sure it would decrease DLC costume sales. Strangely I think I have played more western made games that feature full frontal nudity than Japanese ones and its not always done in a way many would find tasteful but I gotta say I have never been bothered by it.
This was not aimed at you it was merely a clarification in case some people were unaware. I would disagree however I would say DOA beach volleyball/DOAX is pretty average there is noting particularly poor about it there is just not very much great about it either as for DOA I would say they are good games except 1 and 4 which were pretty poor while 5 is great. How good they are though is purely subjective and not really what the thread is focused on especially for the DOA fighting series anyway.Einspanner said:I never mentioned nudity or taste, just that they suck.
Because gamers are known for their severe religious prudery?Johnny Novgorod said:A history of religious prudery, for starters.
Unless wii shovelware has become the new average, I refuse to believe anyone can honestly say DOAX is "average". Take out the tits and it's a shallow party game cum dress up game, something the Wii has in spades and not to its benefit.Maximum Bert said:This was not aimed at you it was merely a clarification in case some people were unaware. I would disagree however I would say DOA beach volleyball/DOAX is pretty average there is noting particularly poor about it there is just not very much great about it either as for DOA I would say they are good games except 1 and 4 which were pretty poor while 5 is great. How good they are though is purely subjective and not really what the thread is focused on especially for the DOA fighting series anyway.Einspanner said:I never mentioned nudity or taste, just that they suck.
A real disgusting pervert like myself would have no less than 100 hours of puzzle interrupted wank time. You are an amateur, and your Waifu a shit.AccursedTheory said:Curious. The most common insult I've seen thrown around in this thread so far has been 'prudish.'Guilion said:The prejudice present in this thread towards that kind of games and the people who play it is pretty telling as to why it hasn't happened yet.
I really don't think the titty lovers are in a position to cry 'victim' here.
EDIT: And just to make sure everyone understands what side of the fan line I'm on...