What's the worst gun?

[silver wolf009]

the M-16. considered the worst assault rifle in the world. any sort of melee with it would shatter the spring-loaded stock and the overly complex firing mechanism was a ***** to clean and jammed alot. the only reason it became the standard american infantry rifle was politics, "buy my gun and you get my vote". it was originally designed for MPs at stateside military bases

I see you read the zombie survival guide, because thats an exact qoute from it.

OT: Alot of people have already said the desert eagle and im going to have to agree with them on this one.

 

[Breaker deGodot]

These guns are NOTHING compared to the horror that is Daikatana. My personal favorites are a plasma pistol that ricochets (into you), and a shotgun that shoots 6 (!) slugs at a time.

 

[JWAN]

What's with all the hate on the Desert Eagle? Sure the .50 cal AE version is totally pointless as a sidearm, but the gun comes in like two other flavors (.44 magnum and .357 magnum).

Worst firearm in modern history: The M16/M4 and it's variants (not including the HK M416/417). Probably caused the deaths of more Americans than any firearm the enemy (if your in the US) ever used. Indirectly of course, but a jammed gun might as well be a bullet to the face.

And i'm also a little confused as to the hate on the XM8. The thing beat out all the other rifles in the US trials. That is to say, it beat the FN SCAR, Colt M4, and HK M416. Personally, I'd rather have a rifle that jams once every 10,000 rounds that one that jams ever time it see a speck of dirt or sand. (unless the issue is the NATO 5.56mm round, which is shit.)

Update your rifle knowledge. The M16 and the M4 have been upgraded substantially and are absolutely fine for being around for 30 years. The only real issue now is that the 5.56 is just too small to have put down power. Sure if you get a center mass hit the hydrostatic shock is strong enough to cause cavitation and damage organs but I;d rather blow them over with a 12 gauge deer slug or a .308. Either one of those can kill even if it hits you in a limb.

Yes, yes, it's true the M family has gotten some upgrades, but the fact that they STILL jam so frequently is the issue. Last year, a Marine way station was hit by insurgents in Afghanistan. over 50% Marines stationed there were wounded or killed when their rifles (M4s) jammed. And it isn't a matter of poor maintenance, they're Marines. They take care of their weapons. M4s are good to about six thousand rounds. Six thousand rounds isn't much when you are have to train in marksmanship with you rifle. Then add in sand and dirt and you have a mess. The M series rifles are obsolete. They need to be replaced with rifles that don't fire the NATO 5.56 round and don't jam after so few rounds are fired thru them. And that makes them one of the worse modern firearms.

I know the Marines, there my boys, I'm training to become one and LEAD them. But also remember that the Marines always get equipment that's been used or its been in storage for years. I also agree that they need to be replaced but they are still by no means the worst.

 

[Varrdy]

As well as the G36c and MP5 and TBH the SAS and SBS change there weapons to fit there specific needs not being given as strict codes for what weapons there allowed they are generally allowed what they need to get the job done.
Also as a user of the L98 A2 I think your summary is quite wrong the weapon is good when mantained propally and when you zero the sites in propally and learn to use and as for the magazine issue as long as placed in propally it should fine however most people either are to timid in inserting it are to aggressive slamming it in you need to be firm but not stab otherwise your just damaging the rifle.

I've used the L98 A2 as well as the SA-80 and both were shite. That said I have also had the barrel of a loaded one pressed into the base of my spine (through someone else's carelessness) so there is a personal reason for not liking them much!

The only good thing about the SA-80 is the scope, the rest is shite and needs swapping for M-16A2's or G3's.

I mean, we had to give the SA-80 to Heckler and Koch and ask them to make it work because we couldn't. The SA-80 is pants and the sooner it's swapped for something worthwhile, the better!

Wardy

 

[A Raging Emo]

What's with all the hate on the Desert Eagle? Sure the .50 cal AE version is totally pointless as a sidearm, but the gun comes in like two other flavors (.44 magnum and .357 magnum).

Worst firearm in modern history: The M16/M4 and it's variants (not including the HK M416/417). Probably caused the deaths of more Americans than any firearm the enemy (if your in the US) ever used. Indirectly of course, but a jammed gun might as well be a bullet to the face.

And i'm also a little confused as to the hate on the XM8. The thing beat out all the other rifles in the US trials. That is to say, it beat the FN SCAR, Colt M4, and HK M416. Personally, I'd rather have a rifle that jams once every 10,000 rounds that one that jams ever time it see a speck of dirt or sand. (unless the issue is the NATO 5.56mm round, which is shit.)

Update your rifle knowledge. The M16 and the M4 have been upgraded substantially and are absolutely fine for being around for 30 years. The only real issue now is that the 5.56 is just too small to have put down power. Sure if you get a center mass hit the hydrostatic shock is strong enough to cause cavitation and damage organs but I;d rather blow them over with a 12 gauge deer slug or a .308. Either one of those can kill even if it hits you in a limb.

Plus, the XM8's pistol grip melted in the desert conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq. It got too hot combining your body heat from clutching the pistol grip and the internals operating whilst it was being fired.

 

[JWAN]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

sure its the most bad ass gun ever made but it had the problem of the shooter maybe getting a face full of radioactive dust

psh as long as your not a total pussy you'll be fine

 

[A Raging Emo]

The Nambu Pistol [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol].

It had an exceedingly short effective range, and utilised an 8mm Round (Yes, 8mm, not 9mm). The safety didn't work on it, and the Magazine springs were pathetic, and often caused jams.

not to mention misfires if you drew it from your holster to fast or if you squeezed it. It was made out of stamped metal (most likely tin)

(I thought it was an Aluminium Alloy, but I may be wrong).

On Topic: Exactly! The Nambu was completely inferior to the M1911 .45 that the US army used during the second World War's Pacific Campaign.

 

[Leopard]

the M-16. considered the worst assault rifle in the world. any sort of melee with it would shatter the spring-loaded stock and the overly complex firing mechanism was a ***** to clean and jammed alot. the only reason it became the standard american infantry rifle was politics, "buy my gun and you get my vote". it was originally designed for MPs at stateside military bases

I was reading The Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks yesterday and that is damn near word for word his opinion on it...

Edit: Ninja'd XD

 

[JWAN]

The Nambu Pistol [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol].

It had an exceedingly short effective range, and utilised an 8mm Round (Yes, 8mm, not 9mm). The safety didn't work on it, and the Magazine springs were pathetic, and often caused jams.

not to mention misfires if you drew it from your holster to fast or if you squeezed it. It was made out of stamped metal (most likely tin)

(I thought it was an Aluminium Alloy, but I may be wrong).

On Topic: Exactly! The Nambu was completely inferior to the M1911 .45 that the US army used during the second World War's Pacific Campaign.

It was mainly Marines in the Pacific and its hard to beat John Moses Browning at a gun design contest lol.
I'm glad they brought it back into the service. People forget that the insurgents use drugs like meth to help them fight harder and move faster and a 9mm just cannot stop someone that's all hopped up.

 

[JWAN]

What's with all the hate on the Desert Eagle? Sure the .50 cal AE version is totally pointless as a sidearm, but the gun comes in like two other flavors (.44 magnum and .357 magnum).

Worst firearm in modern history: The M16/M4 and it's variants (not including the HK M416/417). Probably caused the deaths of more Americans than any firearm the enemy (if your in the US) ever used. Indirectly of course, but a jammed gun might as well be a bullet to the face.

And i'm also a little confused as to the hate on the XM8. The thing beat out all the other rifles in the US trials. That is to say, it beat the FN SCAR, Colt M4, and HK M416. Personally, I'd rather have a rifle that jams once every 10,000 rounds that one that jams ever time it see a speck of dirt or sand. (unless the issue is the NATO 5.56mm round, which is shit.)

Update your rifle knowledge. The M16 and the M4 have been upgraded substantially and are absolutely fine for being around for 30 years. The only real issue now is that the 5.56 is just too small to have put down power. Sure if you get a center mass hit the hydrostatic shock is strong enough to cause cavitation and damage organs but I;d rather blow them over with a 12 gauge deer slug or a .308. Either one of those can kill even if it hits you in a limb.

Plus, the XM8's pistol grip melted in the desert conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq. It got too hot combining your body heat from clutching the pistol grip and the internals operating whilst it was being fired.

^that is new to me but in all honesty a rifle sitting in an APC all day when the temps outside get over over 110 F. I believe it. I cant believe we still use black on our rifles!

 

[JWAN]

I forgot about the liberator but at least that fired when you pulled the trigger.
The Nambu however http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol shot when you pulled it out of your holster or if you held it too tight.

The Liberator actually had a very high failure rate. It DIDN'T always fire when you pulled the trigger; the chamber was just a little too small for the .45 round.
The entire frame was made of stamped steel, and thus, was subjected to significant contraction due to cold temperatures; narrowing the breach and causing the round to jam or even detonate.

That Nambu pistol looks like it was a real riot too.

The AK-47 is one of the worst. Yeah, it's a quick fire rate, and it almost never jams, but that doesn't fix the terrible accuracy, the strength needed to wield it(it's not heavy, but start firing it and you have a real problem with it not jerking up and blowing YOUR face off) the enormous recoil, and when it DOES finally overheat and jam, you can NEVER use it again.

That's generally correct; most manufacturers cut corners for production. Mikail Kalashinikov's original production facilities made AK-47s of generally superior quality to what followed later. Specifically, the weight of the weapon's frame offset the recoil considerably, and the weapons were noticeably more accurate.
It's when they reduced the weapon's weight that it gained the infamous "AK-Outline" firing pattern and horrible recoil issues.

And shotguns are pretty much pathetic if someone's more than 10 feet away from you.

What? Really? Have you ever fired a shotgun? If so, you must have been using some sort of wide choke, short/sawed barrel nightmare.

I live in Deer Country, and my friend has bagged bucks with shot from 220 yards out.
Emphasis: Killed. Not merely wounded.

In close quarters and vs people, not even body armor is going to matter; taking a round to the chest is just as likely to collapse your rib cage, puncture lungs, or cause concussive trauma to your internal organs.
And that's if you are wearing body armor vs shot, nevermind slugs.

I didnt know that about the liberator, but it makes sense with the cold. which is why whenever I hear "stamped steel" I think thanks for being cheep at my expense lol.

 

[Terminate421]

Spoiler: This thing

I mean, nobody's ever shot it twice, must be terrible.

I beg to differ

It doesn't even shoot bullets
(I was in fourth grade when I first saw it)

KND FTW!!!! ^_^

I hated that shit

Plus this was about the gun not the show.

 

[Ken Sapp]

The worst gun is the one that is out of ammo. Other than that I would point to the Desert Eagle. Overpowered, oversized, overweight and completely impractical as a sidearm. Give me a M1911 any day. The only thing the Desert Eagle is good for is intimidation.

 

[Geekosaurus]

I don't know about the least practical gun, but I've always said that this is the worst looking gun ever made.

Spoiler: My eyes!

 

[Omikron009]

Unless you charge it then insta-punch the enemy...

Spoiler: this.

But think about how awesome it would be in real life! I love the plasma pistol. It's so cool.

 

[Canid117]

the M-16. considered the worst assault rifle in the world. any sort of melee with it would shatter the spring-loaded stock and the overly complex firing mechanism was a ***** to clean and jammed alot. the only reason it became the standard american infantry rifle was politics, "buy my gun and you get my vote". it was originally designed for MPs at stateside military bases

Those problems have all been fixed. Now it is an exemplary military rifle. As for what was wrong with the M-14 well... too expensive... too heavy and the recoil is just fucking awful on that fat bastard. Though it supposedly works beautifully as a sniper and semi-automatic battle rifle.

Worst gun? Desert Eagle, that thing is horrifically impracticable. Too heavy, nasty recoil, the bullets are too big and it has a horribly limited magazine capacity.

I love the M-14 if you cant handle the recoil get it with a recoil assist stock. I shoot .300's and .308's all day long and I just wear 2 of those tank top undershirts under my t shirt. It takes awhile to get used to it. They had a bunch of them made fully automatic so basically it was a deadlier version of the BAR that shot superior rounds and had amazing accuracy. They turned it into 2 sniper rifles and used it up until the 90's. You could actually qualify with it (in the USMC) until the mid 90's but Clinton ordered them to be melted down so very few survived, that's truly unfortunate because I think we need to go back and relearn why light machine guns shooting fast bullets isn't always the answer. For my last viewpoint I think they should have turned it into a carbine and put 3 shock absorbers in the stock.

The first shot had amazing accuracy but every single one after that would be thirty feet or higher above the target. The problem isn't that recoil harms the shooters its that it messes up people's shots even in bursts your going to have awful accuracy after the first round on the M-14. It also had a weight problem. Both it and the ammunition it used weighed too much for fast moving fully automatic use. It is still used as a Designated Marksman rifle in the marine corps and as a sniper by special forces units. It's fantastic in a semi auto capacity but sadly doesn't work as well as a standard infantry rifle. The M-14 also costs a lot more to make.

 

[CaptainKoala]

I'm not sure about absolute worst gun of all time, but the Desert Eagle is very much up there in terms in of impracticality and is ridiculously over-rated by the type of people that learned everything they know about guns from Modern Warfare 2.

They must not be too bad. They are standard issue in the Israeli military. And they are an extremely powerful military force. But yes, the gun itself is EXTREME overkill.

 

[jobobob]

The pepperbox

 

[Sacman]

I don't know about the least practical gun, but I've always said that this is the worst looking gun ever made.

Spoiler: My eyes!

can't that gun function while being submerged completely in water? making it very practical...

 

[Nouw]

Spoiler: This thing

I mean, nobody's ever shot it twice, must be terrible.

I beg to differ

It doesn't even shoot bullets
(I was in fourth grade when I first saw it)

[sub]That show was so awful.[/sub]
Ot: I don't know, I'm not much into guns.

What? That was a fantastic show!