I didn't dismiss the severity. It's just that severity is not rare, and perhaps your own experience on that side of an accusation might change your opinion of when such a thing goes the other way.
What's this a case of? Lack of Female Repercussion or just Run of the Mill Prejudice: The Soho Phone Incident
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You're lying about me. I'm sick of this. I don't feel like sitting here and getting accused of horrific shit I never said. I'm out.
I think it's very dangerous to generalise divorce in the way you are.
Women may initiate a majority of divorces, but that doesn't necessarily tell us very much without knowing why. Divorces will often be reactive to circumstances. The image portrayed in red pill world is bored and flighty women cutting and running at a whim. But uncommonly, I think, are women divorcing without a very good reason. One might point out, for instance, that statistics suggest men are as much as two times more likely to cheat on their partner. Emotional neglect, complacency, even abuse may be factors.
For instance, let's take one of the UK's most famous activists for men's custody rights. It turns out he did his full time job, frequently stayed out after work drinking with his buddies, and when he was at home seemed to prefer playing on the X-box than spending time with his wife and offspring. Should we blame her for seeking a divorce? Do we blame the courts for reasoning that his lack of attention to his children should count against him in custody? Surely we should not. I get that perhaps he realised the error of his ways and wanted to change (and, apparently, has done much better second time around with a new wife). But we are assessed by our track records, not our hopes. Your hypothetical long-haul trucker is not there for his wife much of the time. That will be hard on a relationship, particularly with a child as well; that trucker will also naturally be completely unfit as primary custodial parent in the case of divorce, unless he changes career. His wife is likely to be saying things like "I don't like that you're away so much", "It's really hard coping on my own" before she calls it quits.
Men commit suicide at higher rates than women in most Western countries - usually about 2-4 times overall, and statistics suggest suicide rates increase for men and women after divorces, although the ratio becomes even more skewed against men. This is not an argument against divorce. It is an argument for providing men more support. Suicide often is linked very heavily to social isolation, and men may rely more heavily on their families for social interaction than women. The answer is to help men get out there and spend more time with friends, join clubs, and socialise with others. It's not to portray divorce as the victimisation of men by women.
I think you're right that there are actually a lot of practical things men and women can do, and that society changes without some people keeping up. Yes, men need to consider very carefully making sure they contribute to the household, and not drift into an idea that they earn and the woman cares. And likewise women too, understanding that they can be primary earners and there is no shame on a man who prioritises the household, or respecting him even should he earn less.
My problem is that much noisy MRA discourse often does not really explore these simple and practical measures. Red pill territory is a catastrophe, as it does not preach such practical measures, it just takes a standpoint of male victimisation with precious little awareness of self or others. Terms like "divorce rape" poisons the well the minute that it is uttered; it's a death knell for constructive debate. The problem with Red Pillers is that I think they exemplify a section of people who have not moved on with society. To all intents and purposes their attitudes are stuck decades in obsolescence, leaving them confused and angry that society has moved on without them.
He didn't generalize it though. He explicitly said "some men". That's not saying all divorce is a harrowing, devastating experience any more than the word "rape" suggests all sex is a harrowing, devastating experience. I don't think you're making a good counterargument against the term because I think you've missed the point. Pretty sure the only reasonable disagreement is "financial abuse and social isolation are still not comparable to being physically violated".
The thread is getting way off topic. Can you guys argue about this somewhere else on the off topic forum? It should be focused on the idiot who attacked a teenager for dumb and petty reasons. Reasons he had nothing to do with. I know information is slow right now, but you'll get your update on June 8th.
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While I would if I were head of state have a half-female cabinet with competent people in them. I don't believe people who are female make good leaders by default. I have known many female leaders including two presidents of the college democrats at my college, and they would both be excellent leaders, but that does not apply to all women, or even most women same logic with men. Most people including myself are not good leaders.
As a leader, you need to make hard choices, cost-benefit analysis-based decisions and care about yourself, the country, and the world in that order while hoping they don't interfere with each other, and making good choices when they do. I for example can't bring myself to fire people because in my mind doing so could cost people their home, and future. I have been offered manager positions, but I rejected them for this reason.
Yes, there are people like Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and various other leaders who have killed large sums of people. And they were male, and fewer if any examples exist for females. But there are also people like South Korea's President Park, the former Brazilian head of state Dilma Rousseff, the former president of Argentina Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, and various others that are not good leaders, and led their country to ruin based on economic numbers, and generally being cult-like, corrupt, and or incompetent.
Also, even the mediocre female leaders like Merkel, the various Swedish head of states, the former Israeli PM in the Yom Kippur war Golda Meir are not proving the rule that generally you want female leaders. Merkel who let Putin annex Ukrainian land, mishandle the Greek government-debt crisis, and closed nuclear power plants in favor of coal, but also has good economic numbers, and led a good response to Covid. Or the Swedish Head of states whose goals are to get 100 million Swedes, and loves Immigration, but can't provide jobs to said immigrants, and can't communicate that immigration is a net positive, but grows their economies, and is ethical in international relations. Golda Meir who is the smartest person so far, very direct, but can't stop heavy soldier deaths in the Yom Kippur War, and couldn't get the USSR to back off( I know some of you guys don't like Israel, and wished it had 100% deaths in the wars, but heads of states are suppose to act in their interests)
And yes there are good female leaders like the current head of state in Taiwan Tsai Ing-Wen who fought off covid, increased GDP, semiconductor production is up and increased the military budget in the fact of China, or Khaleda Zia who increased GDP, or Catherine the Great who was a forward-thinking leader with a good military in Russia and grew the economy. Just like there are good male leaders like FDR and JFK, or the German head of state after the fall of the Nazis, or USSR head of state Khrushchev who was the best USSR leader. And yes I will admit this despite not wanting to that Biden is a good leader, and Harris was a great senator. (Note Biden is only good if he continues towards the current path sans Israel, and the conflict in Gaza, plus the West Bank)
One last thing to note, female drone pilots, soldiers, heads of state, corporate executives are great, and we should have more depending on what they do, but if they act like their older male counterparts historically or don't solve systemic issues in their organization, or with stakeholders, not shareholders then they will be nothing more then change on the outside, continuity on the inside with maybe some social issue improvements, and that not something to be desire wholeheartedly.
As a leader, you need to make hard choices, cost-benefit analysis-based decisions and care about yourself, the country, and the world in that order while hoping they don't interfere with each other, and making good choices when they do. I for example can't bring myself to fire people because in my mind doing so could cost people their home, and future. I have been offered manager positions, but I rejected them for this reason.
Yes, there are people like Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and various other leaders who have killed large sums of people. And they were male, and fewer if any examples exist for females. But there are also people like South Korea's President Park, the former Brazilian head of state Dilma Rousseff, the former president of Argentina Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, and various others that are not good leaders, and led their country to ruin based on economic numbers, and generally being cult-like, corrupt, and or incompetent.
Also, even the mediocre female leaders like Merkel, the various Swedish head of states, the former Israeli PM in the Yom Kippur war Golda Meir are not proving the rule that generally you want female leaders. Merkel who let Putin annex Ukrainian land, mishandle the Greek government-debt crisis, and closed nuclear power plants in favor of coal, but also has good economic numbers, and led a good response to Covid. Or the Swedish Head of states whose goals are to get 100 million Swedes, and loves Immigration, but can't provide jobs to said immigrants, and can't communicate that immigration is a net positive, but grows their economies, and is ethical in international relations. Golda Meir who is the smartest person so far, very direct, but can't stop heavy soldier deaths in the Yom Kippur War, and couldn't get the USSR to back off( I know some of you guys don't like Israel, and wished it had 100% deaths in the wars, but heads of states are suppose to act in their interests)
And yes there are good female leaders like the current head of state in Taiwan Tsai Ing-Wen who fought off covid, increased GDP, semiconductor production is up and increased the military budget in the fact of China, or Khaleda Zia who increased GDP, or Catherine the Great who was a forward-thinking leader with a good military in Russia and grew the economy. Just like there are good male leaders like FDR and JFK, or the German head of state after the fall of the Nazis, or USSR head of state Khrushchev who was the best USSR leader. And yes I will admit this despite not wanting to that Biden is a good leader, and Harris was a great senator. (Note Biden is only good if he continues towards the current path sans Israel, and the conflict in Gaza, plus the West Bank)
One last thing to note, female drone pilots, soldiers, heads of state, corporate executives are great, and we should have more depending on what they do, but if they act like their older male counterparts historically or don't solve systemic issues in their organization, or with stakeholders, not shareholders then they will be nothing more then change on the outside, continuity on the inside with maybe some social issue improvements, and that not something to be desire wholeheartedly.
Oh b!tch, please, your guilty as sin.
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