ive seen allot of comments about dota 2 not being free to play, well it is free to play when it comes out, all the champions are unlocked as well sooooooo, dota 2 wins for best f2p system
What's with all the LoL hate?
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As someone whose been playing LoL for about 3 years now and has around 1000hours played with it I would possible suggest it's because LoL sucks. It does a lot right which is why it's so popular and why I play it over the others but it really fails at balance, maintaining power creep, the client is trash and riot improves the game (replays, maps etc) at an evolutionary rate. I love riot but they really shoot themselves in the foot sometimes.
Ugh, fuck Shaco. Just... Fuck him. With his stupid stealth teleports... I have a good idea! Let's put someone into the game who can counterjungle extremely well and he has zero negative consequences if he gets discovered! A decent Shaco is annoying. A good Shaco is a nightmare.A Smooth Criminal said:
I have more of a problem with LeBlanc's clone than Shaco's clone. I always forget she has it it up because of the low cooldown and it throws me right off every time.
I do like having pets though, having Tibbers follow me around is fun and I would like to see if there is any cool way to use Elise's spiders other than extra damage in an exchange. They can't farm for you I think.
I like everyone having passives, DOTA lacks that I believe. I enjoy all the gimmicky ones like Kog'Maw having the "fuck you, i'm taking you with me" passive.
Isn't Venge a non-tanky support though? And it's an instant instead of a channel? I get the impression she's meant to swap herself into the enemy team in place of their carry. Trading a support for a carry is a beneficial trade after all... I guess she's the 0/5/35 type. I would hate playing that since you lose gold on death, so being all badass and sacrificing yourself to win a teamfight is more punishing than I would like.
LoL is doing what most people do by taking something that already exists and putting their own spin on it. They pretty much admitted that already. I don't really know why people are so up in arms over it.
Urgot is in a weird place in the meta at the moment. I guess he could be played anywhere? Everyone plays him AD Carry in the rare instances he's picked and using his ult to swap yourself into a team when you're the carry... Yeah. I guess you could swap yourself out if for some bizzare reason you're in their team to begin with? No actually one of their team would have to be out of position to begin with for that to work, not to mention swapping yourself out would put that guy IN position for free.
Urgot is good but nobody knows how to play him, builds and all.
I have noticed that several characters seem to be custom designed to make you the cockiest bastard who ever lived. Myself included. I give zero fucks about anyone when I play Fiora top, i'm not even a super MLG Fiora. I welcome jungle ganks once I hit level 6. Ty 2 kills freshly delivered. You just need to burst the lowest health one down before they can kite you and then, well, that remaining guy is dueling Fiora 1v1. That's just silly.
Every single Xin Zhao I have seen decides to try and God Mode at some point in the game. Usually diving 3 full health people or something equally insane. We call him Win Nao for a reason right? Jax is in the same vein, I wouldn't be surprised if Jax has the highest stats for successful tower dives. If they could measure that.
Diana is unfortunately dead as of last patch. Read through allllllll those nerfs and weep. I really like her as a character still as well. She has the best /jokes in the whole game.
Darius still OP? Better nerf
Seriously I would like to try DOTA 2 once I get organised and get a new PC. I have a beta key and everything. It will "run" in a sense, it can't process the game on anything near good graphics settings, literally 01 FPS on anything that isn't Mess of Pixels Mode. There's no point playing the game in that state as for as i'm concerned.
BS, during the sale buying dota was a very good deal for the ammount of items you get vs the price. I was almost going for it because the skin it included was amazing, but CM is a boring and weak hero.A Smooth Criminal said:
BTW, i have like 4 dota 2 keys if anyone wants. Just pm me or something.
Ohh, i called BS on the "The early access thing on the website is only there for people who are really desperate" part, not the rest.A Smooth Criminal said:
Also mang, meepo... the idea is fun but in a game with two teams at the same skill, the one with meepo will lose a very high number of times. Meepo is a ridiculously hard to play toon that is extremely weak against a fair number of other heroes and offers nothing others don't do better, the only way to play it is for the lulz and praying your skillz are the best that match by a large margin or that your team carries you.
And that might be the best point for LoL over DotA, the champions might be WAY more standarized but there is not a single one that has such a low winrate as meepo.
I don't think thats accurate at all. In fact veng is the perfect example of this, in the current metagame at very high levels she is used almost only for her passive usually alongside a pusher team. On general almost all carries have a passive ability, sometimes quite overpowered like time lock from faceless void.The Wykydtron said:
"LoL has the worst playerbase in the history of ever" -some dudes
You guys haven't been playing multiplayer games for long have you? Sorry if this comes of as a condescending sneer but you can do far worse the the LoL playerbase.
As for the OP's question I think someone already answered it. There's a tendency to take shots at the big guy, just look at WoW or America e.g
You guys haven't been playing multiplayer games for long have you? Sorry if this comes of as a condescending sneer but you can do far worse the the LoL playerbase.
As for the OP's question I think someone already answered it. There's a tendency to take shots at the big guy, just look at WoW or America e.g
DOTA 2 is more complex than LoL. Some people may prefer it for this reason but it doesn't mean it's better, a lot of people do tend to think that more complex = better though so they then get mad that LoL is more popular. Likewise LoL players who feel the same way get annoyed that DOTA 2 is more complex and so start hating it.
That and both games have awful communities. I can't speak for the DOTA community but I hear it's jst as bad as the LoL one and I can assure you that the LoL one is really damn bad.
The thing that gets to me is when people say LoL takes no skill because of flash. If you think flash makes the game that easy then go play a game without dying once since you can always just flash out of danger right?
That and both games have awful communities. I can't speak for the DOTA community but I hear it's jst as bad as the LoL one and I can assure you that the LoL one is really damn bad.
The thing that gets to me is when people say LoL takes no skill because of flash. If you think flash makes the game that easy then go play a game without dying once since you can always just flash out of danger right?
I usually don't mind Shaco but I love it when I see him on the enemy team while im playing Veigar like I was the other day. Oh Hi Shaco, I notice you are pretty damn squishy as you come to gank me. ME! The character with some of the highest burst in the game, I am going to 2 shot you with my ult and Q now before stunning the enemy and walking off noe mwahahahahh!The Wykydtron said:
Your right on them mixing up kits, I was just trying to show that RIOT isn't some creative powerhouse where abilities are concerned. I can't think of anyone with an identical kit, but ashe and drow play pretty much the same (carry), so she might be familiar. Honestly though a lot of times getting used to the heroes isn't so bad, its just getting used to the different mechanics.JaceArveduin said:
(Disclaimer: most of my knowledge on LoL is from posts/articles comparing and contrasting it with Dota 2, so I may be a complete fuckhead in this post.)
It stems from the fact that they are both the main players in a newborn genre who are trying to use it for vastly different purposes. Dota (1 and 2 so just assume that) is very much made with the competitive scene as the primary concern, with everything being designed around how it balances out when the very best go head to head. LoL, to my knowledge, is a more casual game that's co-opted for the competitive scene which Riot Games mostly funds themselves. No Denying, the lane setup is set in stone, first blood takes significantly longer to happen, no need to worry about Rune Control, team fights are much more a case of "Throw everything at everyone" than timing and focus fire, and everyone has a free Blink on a 5 minute cooldown as a get out of jail free card (Because it's too damn good to use any other spells). The lane situation alone is pretty drastic, with me being able to think of at least 3 or 4 ways for a Dota 2 team to have the Hard Lane be perfectly viable given enough player skill.
That and I'm almost certain it's partially to do with the revenue models. LoL makes you pay for or unlock Heroes and has a free rotation, which has the consequence of making you start the game at a slow enough pace that you're unlikely to be overwhelmed by hero choices. Dota 2, what with Valve being rich as balls, said "Fuck that, all heroes free forever because having to unlock key parts to the metagame is silly." They get their money through all the hats, keys and stuff with Steam very much picking up any slack. And what did that take away from the learning experience? Pretty much nothing, because you're so dumbstruck by all the available options you make sure to ask who the beginner ones are before you embarrass yourself.
And also things like this can lead to Dota 2 fans getting a feeling of self-satisfaction for the game, in a "No way that'd happen in LoL" kind of way, regardless of if it actually could or not:
It stems from the fact that they are both the main players in a newborn genre who are trying to use it for vastly different purposes. Dota (1 and 2 so just assume that) is very much made with the competitive scene as the primary concern, with everything being designed around how it balances out when the very best go head to head. LoL, to my knowledge, is a more casual game that's co-opted for the competitive scene which Riot Games mostly funds themselves. No Denying, the lane setup is set in stone, first blood takes significantly longer to happen, no need to worry about Rune Control, team fights are much more a case of "Throw everything at everyone" than timing and focus fire, and everyone has a free Blink on a 5 minute cooldown as a get out of jail free card (Because it's too damn good to use any other spells). The lane situation alone is pretty drastic, with me being able to think of at least 3 or 4 ways for a Dota 2 team to have the Hard Lane be perfectly viable given enough player skill.
That and I'm almost certain it's partially to do with the revenue models. LoL makes you pay for or unlock Heroes and has a free rotation, which has the consequence of making you start the game at a slow enough pace that you're unlikely to be overwhelmed by hero choices. Dota 2, what with Valve being rich as balls, said "Fuck that, all heroes free forever because having to unlock key parts to the metagame is silly." They get their money through all the hats, keys and stuff with Steam very much picking up any slack. And what did that take away from the learning experience? Pretty much nothing, because you're so dumbstruck by all the available options you make sure to ask who the beginner ones are before you embarrass yourself.
And also things like this can lead to Dota 2 fans getting a feeling of self-satisfaction for the game, in a "No way that'd happen in LoL" kind of way, regardless of if it actually could or not:
The thing with Shaco is that whenever he's on the enemy team I am the one jungling 100% of the damn time. I can't sit next to my turret in lane all "lol sucks to be that guy" I have to deal with the Death Bushes, I have deal with never having a red buff and I have to deal with the jungle version of Singed!Dandark said:
And yeah, anyone who seriously thinks Flash makes the entire game Easy Mode hasn't played it enough/has never played it at all. That or they're the type who plays uber defensively so their Flash is always up.
It's on a 300 second cooldown now. Yeah people having a 300 second short range blink is clearly a get out of jail free card. It's not like the game has any characters with in-built teleports to chase through it right?
Oh.
I can't say the same for DOTA 2 as I haven't played it, and truthfully nor do I want to (so this post is probably null and void), however....
My dislike for LoL is that it really isn't my cup of tea, despite giving a good go of it only to be flamed constantly for "being a troll" and "a bad player" when I am trying to learn the game and have no idea about what people are talking about in their LoL terminology.
Truth be told, pissing people off without knowing as to why was probably the most enjoyable aspect of my entire gaming experience with LoL.
My dislike for LoL is that it really isn't my cup of tea, despite giving a good go of it only to be flamed constantly for "being a troll" and "a bad player" when I am trying to learn the game and have no idea about what people are talking about in their LoL terminology.
Truth be told, pissing people off without knowing as to why was probably the most enjoyable aspect of my entire gaming experience with LoL.
I never would have gotten into it without the help of my friends. Its a very rough entry, but it can be fun once you start to get the hang of it... and actually, playing with friends in pre-made is much better than playing with random people.DSK- said:
...implying that Dota 2's community isn't equally shitty.Rawne1980 said:
Try visiting the official dota forums at playdota.com. The very act of speaking your mind will get you flamed like no other.
Actually, since someone mentioned him, does DOTA have anyone like Singed? I really do love me some Singed.NightHawk21 said:
Anyway, I tried some HoN at some point and it just felt... off. Or maybe it was just that I'm just spoiled to being able to only having to worry about harassing and farming, not having to deny and all that other stuff too. That, and I bloody hate the terrain on HoN's map, I kept trying to create a lil jungle path through the trees and I kept running into cliff things >.<" That, and I had a hard time telling what was what, and I'm not used to a single stun lasting 3+ seconds. Pretty sure they have those, right?
Though Blacksmith is fun as hell
Yeah it's OP, no doubt about it. It doesn't make the ENTIRE GAME automatically Easy Mode for the entire community though. That should be obvious. You can fail your Flash as well. You could miss a wall, Flash into your ult that still wasn't in range so you look like an idiot.Devoneaux said:
Or you could Flash away from an Akali... Yeah enjoy your extra 2 seconds of life. You need an immediate double jump to get out of Akali, even then it's still dodgy.
Really, stick it on an item? That sounds like something Riot would fuck up balance wise. Probably give it too much AP or too low a cooldown.
Oh yeah, watch all the AD Carries pick up that item early on and be jumping around the place like Ezreal on steroids. Still AD Carries got nerfed mobility wise so fair's fair. I think Summoners would be a whole lot worse if lack of Flash freed up a slot anyway.
Ignite + Exhaust all day, Teleport ganks every single game, Exhaust and Heal, Barrier and Heal = invincible early game AD Carry. Smite + Exhaust would be the new Smite + Flash. There would be so many broken combos if people weren't bound to Flash so closely. Maybe that might be a good thing? I have no idea. People can't live with Flash yet they can't live without it...
I can't even decide if I like the damn spell still. All I know is that I NEED it..
Because people love Valve, and by extension the newest thing to come out, enough that they must devalue the existing thing to back up what they think is the newest and bestest thing ever?
I would personally disagree with people saying DotA 2 is more complex, but then I wouldn't argue that LoL is either. Depth is 95% how closely you look into something, and both games have enough of it that it's essentially bottomless..with there always being more you could have learned or could have done. Saying LoL is "casual" is a massively relative (and personally quite shallow) statement , like arguing that it's slightly more comfortable to be run over by a saloon car than a land rover...
I would personally disagree with people saying DotA 2 is more complex, but then I wouldn't argue that LoL is either. Depth is 95% how closely you look into something, and both games have enough of it that it's essentially bottomless..with there always being more you could have learned or could have done. Saying LoL is "casual" is a massively relative (and personally quite shallow) statement , like arguing that it's slightly more comfortable to be run over by a saloon car than a land rover...
If so, I might try it. I'm surprised I see him in so few games (battled him about 3 times, and seen someone other than me take him on my team ONCE.) Since he's ridiculously fun to play. Especially if you bind laugh to just one button...JaceArveduin said:
Anyway, back on topic: League of Legends is the most popular game right now, as far as I know. I've yet to see any hate at all. Seems like, apart from a minority, we keep to ourselves. So it can't be THAT bad... I blame the megaphone that is internet forums.
I play both DotA 2 and LoL on and off, and I personally dislike LoL simply for its community.
I just hate all the 'smufs' and people insulting me for an even K/D when playing a certain champion. DotA is better in that regard because most people just keep their mouth shut. Gameplay wise, there is not really much of a difference to a casual viewer like myself, though I do prefer some of the characters in LoL... like Ahri.
I just hate all the 'smufs' and people insulting me for an even K/D when playing a certain champion. DotA is better in that regard because most people just keep their mouth shut. Gameplay wise, there is not really much of a difference to a casual viewer like myself, though I do prefer some of the characters in LoL... like Ahri.