What's with all the Modern Warefare 3 Hate?
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COD is... "fun"?... since when?
The last COD I bought is World at War and the last one I truly enjoyed was COD 4, after that, Activision liked to rehash that same game with a couple of new gimmicks (blood screen and killstreaks) that were taken from mods of earlier games and then sell it at full price.
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Every fucking year.
The last COD I bought is World at War and the last one I truly enjoyed was COD 4, after that, Activision liked to rehash that same game with a couple of new gimmicks (blood screen and killstreaks) that were taken from mods of earlier games and then sell it at full price.
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Every fucking year.
Easy killer. I don't hate ADS. I just don't think that EVERY shooter after cod has to be waist high walls and ADS.JoesshittyOs said:
It's not a bad mechanic. But its also not strictly necessary for immersion as you would seem to think it is. Left4Dead was a perfect example. That game is an excellent FPS without chest high walls or ADS. I did not have any trouble with immersion in that game because I remember raging at idiot teammates who wandered off by themselves and sincerely expressing my approval of the good pickup teammates that dominated games with me... all without the magic of ADS.
Come to think of it. During the COD era, I cant think of another first person shooter that innovated anywhere near as much as L4D... Most other games were busy trying to emulate COD's Sales.
It's as close as we're going to get for video games, that's for sure. I know it's not really mature to call war awesome (and I know that people in the army would be pissed off by it) but as for simulating a battle with buildings coming down, tanks rolling over, mortar strikes coming down and attack choppers raining fire, Battlefield does a great job at creating a war scenario for us gamers to revel in, and everything that happens is controlled by the players and virtually nothing is scripted.Techno Squidgy said:
That's about as realistic as we're gonna get.
I dont think i hate it, im still gonna buy it because all my friends are. I doubt i will keep it longer then a month tho unless the multyplayer maps are actualy good, from gameplay and stuff ive seen so far its the same as the last, graphicly its the same it looks to play the same the guns are nothing to be excited for, horde mode is the only thing thats new for the series but seen everywhere out there
The big reason I don't like it is because the series is essentially releasing expansion packs every year for the price of a full game and expect everyone and their dog to buy it immediately. Then because everyone and their dog buys it, the industry starts thinking, "Oh hey look, everyone is buying this shooter game and they're making millions of dollars. We should stop putting our money into something new and original and start trying to be like them." Which has led to the vast saturation of shooter games over the last few years which is only just recently starting to subside.
The other reason I hate it is because everyone who plays(or at least everyone who is vocal about it anyway, obviously there are normal people who play but they are usually silent about it) is either some 30 year old who acts like a 12 year old brat and talks about how everyone else is a homosexual and how they had sex with my mother, a 12 year old brat who acts like everyone else is pathetic and they should bow down to their skill, a stoner wannabe who's every other sentence is about how blazed they are or that they're gonna go buy weed after this game, or a complete tosser who disregards any other genre of game besides the shooter as a complete waste of time and that I'm a loser for enjoying an RPG.
I've personally not had any fun with the series since CoD4 either, so that's another reason. If they actually innovated the series like every other shooter out there I'd be more inclined to give it another shot, but as is they aren't getting a single cent out of me for any more CoD games.
The other reason I hate it is because everyone who plays(or at least everyone who is vocal about it anyway, obviously there are normal people who play but they are usually silent about it) is either some 30 year old who acts like a 12 year old brat and talks about how everyone else is a homosexual and how they had sex with my mother, a 12 year old brat who acts like everyone else is pathetic and they should bow down to their skill, a stoner wannabe who's every other sentence is about how blazed they are or that they're gonna go buy weed after this game, or a complete tosser who disregards any other genre of game besides the shooter as a complete waste of time and that I'm a loser for enjoying an RPG.
I've personally not had any fun with the series since CoD4 either, so that's another reason. If they actually innovated the series like every other shooter out there I'd be more inclined to give it another shot, but as is they aren't getting a single cent out of me for any more CoD games.
Just as realistic as watching a Michael Bay movie.MercurySteam said:
What these games are doing, or try to do, is to take you into an epic and fantastic "warzone" theme shooter with lots of explosions, buildings crumbling, tanks rolling and airplanes passing by shooting the shit out of each other, comparable to a Michael Bay movie... just funier.
What has been different in each game that warrants 60 dollars?
I do love the series though, it keeps the stupid people off my games.
I do love the series though, it keeps the stupid people off my games.
Half the people in this thread are saying it's hated because it's popular. The other half are saying it's hated because it's unoriginal. I think they're both half right.
The game mechanics are uber-accessible for anyone who wants to start playing an FPS, and the lack of death penalties and aids such as auto-aim mean that virtually anyone can play it and do reasonably well. This along with a few other factors led to the series becoming insanely popular, and that will cause people who prefer other games that aren't as popular to demonise it.
But then you have the other side of the coin. In about 4 years there have been 4 CODMW games, and this is kind of pushing it for quick release dates unless you are adding something like an incredibly popular and deep story, or game-changing mechanics, or a graphical and technical overhaul. But COD games attempt none of this, and from what we have seen of MW3 it doesn't change much either. I watched the demo level of the stock exchange, and had to pause the video and facepalm when I saw that the invading Russians were using AK-47s. Why were they using those guns? Because they'd been in the other COD games. The gameplay looks exactly the same as all the other games, the only innovation has been a slight graphical upgrade and a switch up of the multiplayer perks and points system, with probably a few new maps.
Basically, for something that gets this popular to be able to change absolutely nothing important about itself and still sell like hotcakes for full price 12 months after the previous clone while gamers think of all the awesome sequels and games we are waiting to come out, and the good games that no one else bought, it makes us kinda mad.
The game mechanics are uber-accessible for anyone who wants to start playing an FPS, and the lack of death penalties and aids such as auto-aim mean that virtually anyone can play it and do reasonably well. This along with a few other factors led to the series becoming insanely popular, and that will cause people who prefer other games that aren't as popular to demonise it.
But then you have the other side of the coin. In about 4 years there have been 4 CODMW games, and this is kind of pushing it for quick release dates unless you are adding something like an incredibly popular and deep story, or game-changing mechanics, or a graphical and technical overhaul. But COD games attempt none of this, and from what we have seen of MW3 it doesn't change much either. I watched the demo level of the stock exchange, and had to pause the video and facepalm when I saw that the invading Russians were using AK-47s. Why were they using those guns? Because they'd been in the other COD games. The gameplay looks exactly the same as all the other games, the only innovation has been a slight graphical upgrade and a switch up of the multiplayer perks and points system, with probably a few new maps.
Basically, for something that gets this popular to be able to change absolutely nothing important about itself and still sell like hotcakes for full price 12 months after the previous clone while gamers think of all the awesome sequels and games we are waiting to come out, and the good games that no one else bought, it makes us kinda mad.
The thing is about IGN, watch all their videos carefully... and you might notice that they have a really annoying tendency to compare everything to CoD. Even games like James Bond were compared to it and it was in no way similar to it beside shooting... To them CoD is the epitome of FPS and it does get on your nerves when they seem to rate games rather biasly.
So yeah, I am not surprised. Also, MW3 I think was...very rushed... compared to many other games that were coming out this seemed to be coming out quicker than usual and not much of a noticeable change is seen. Eg. Graphics looking exactly the same, only small changes like a new mortar/sniper thing and a reflex sight changer. I like both BF3 and MW3 series of games because I'm fairly adaptable in my playstyle, I want to play a game that provides a new experience. BF3 is looking really good atm with graphics (Yes, yes I know... graphics dont make a game perfect, eg. Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Zelda, Rayman) and mechanics but MW3 doesn't look like it really changed much, and I don't want to play something that seems to have the "I've done this before" now feeling, unless they are aiming to do that.
So yeah, I am not surprised. Also, MW3 I think was...very rushed... compared to many other games that were coming out this seemed to be coming out quicker than usual and not much of a noticeable change is seen. Eg. Graphics looking exactly the same, only small changes like a new mortar/sniper thing and a reflex sight changer. I like both BF3 and MW3 series of games because I'm fairly adaptable in my playstyle, I want to play a game that provides a new experience. BF3 is looking really good atm with graphics (Yes, yes I know... graphics dont make a game perfect, eg. Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Zelda, Rayman) and mechanics but MW3 doesn't look like it really changed much, and I don't want to play something that seems to have the "I've done this before" now feeling, unless they are aiming to do that.
they haven't done anything new since cod4, the campaigns tend to be not that good, the multiplayer is full of easy exploits and poorly balanced weapons (danger close anyone?), there is absolutely no way to reasonably coordinate a well-played team effort in any playlist but hardcore, the air support is overpowered, arbitrary, and excessive, rank isn't even remotely based on skill, what is essentially a multiplayer service still costs $60, there are no dedicated servers (for consoles anyway), meaning lots of host issues, and most of the population uses their microphone primarily to troll and whine about being killed. other than that it's fine
also, they're turning it into a nearly yearly product, and you can't produce a new, substantially better product with a good campaign in 1 year. you can tweak the multiplayer and release the patches in a TU, but you can't come up with a new game that won't feel pretty much exactly like the last one in 1 year. also activision sucks.
also, they're turning it into a nearly yearly product, and you can't produce a new, substantially better product with a good campaign in 1 year. you can tweak the multiplayer and release the patches in a TU, but you can't come up with a new game that won't feel pretty much exactly like the last one in 1 year. also activision sucks.
lawlThedayrecker said:
OT: Because people disagree with your opinion. All those games you listed are the exact same. The only reason I play reach is to interact with my friends. The rest of my games are the good kind that are driven by story.
i think this this is it, take even popular games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, the Fallouts these are great games, far exceeding CoD or Battlefield. at least there better to me, i prefer a game thats deeper then kill as many dudes that spawn and maby kill some more.Oilerfan92 said:
and even going into the really deep, or fun indy games like Amnesia, the problem is not that CoD is bad, is that CoD earns the money that other games should.
forcing them to spell "arrogant" properly =p jkjk, but for future referenceTheBear17 said:
and sadly, arrogant people will always be in video games. go to the bungie forum and you will see what i'm talking about. most of the people on that forum are either complete idiots or complete idiots who think their k/d in big team battle makes them a god. even in games with large skill gaps, the people on the upper end of the skill gap tend to be arrogant douchecones.
realistic isn't always fun. their's nothing wrong with designing multiplayer around fast moving, dynamic, exciting multiplayer experiences that lack ADS and require quicker, more accurate aiming and character tracking a la quake. also, i find it hard to be immersed by ADS when some idiot runs around gunning half my team down with akimbo shotguns, and i respawn within seconds of dying. you know what would be really immersive? if you died and couldn't respawn for the rest of the game's length, because it would be so realistic. that doesn't make it fun though.JoesshittyOs said:
i would say that ADS has been a positive addition to the shooter genre, but trying to shoehorn it into games it doesn't belong in makes those games worse, not better.
The thing is about IGN, watch all their videos carefully... and you might notice that they have a really annoying tendency to compare everything to CoD. Even games like James Bond were compared to it and it was in no way similar to it beside shooting... To them CoD is the epitome of FPS and it does get on your nerves when they seem to rate games rather biasly.
So yeah, I am not surprised. Also, MW3 I think was...very rushed... compared to many other games that were coming out this seemed to be coming out quicker than usual and not much of a noticeable change is seen. Eg. Graphics looking exactly the same, only small changes like a new mortar/sniper thing and a reflex sight changer. I like both BF3 and MW3 series of games because I'm fairly adaptable in my playstyle, I want to play a game that provides a new experience. BF3 is looking really good atm with graphics (Yes, yes I know... graphics dont make a game perfect, eg. Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Zelda, Rayman) and mechanics but MW3 doesn't look like it really changed much, and I don't want to play something that seems to have the "I've done this before" now feeling, unless they are aiming to do that.
Also, what I don't like about CoD is how they depict war.In the BF and MoH series, there is a feeling that these are like real people, they have families etc. In the new MoH, despite the somewhat bad sales release had a incredibly good ending. In CoD they tend to glorify war, and believe me I have seen loads of YouTube comments about people wanting to join the army cause they assume the know everything about army protocol and weapons from CoD - perhaps the reason why people hate the fanboys are because of this.
In addition perhaps, is the fact that because of the crappy releases (according to people) of CoD recently, is that all the gamers are going to transition along to BF3 with the same mindset and playstyle in CoD that doesn't work in BF with lone-wolfing - that's a possibility.
So yeah, I am not surprised. Also, MW3 I think was...very rushed... compared to many other games that were coming out this seemed to be coming out quicker than usual and not much of a noticeable change is seen. Eg. Graphics looking exactly the same, only small changes like a new mortar/sniper thing and a reflex sight changer. I like both BF3 and MW3 series of games because I'm fairly adaptable in my playstyle, I want to play a game that provides a new experience. BF3 is looking really good atm with graphics (Yes, yes I know... graphics dont make a game perfect, eg. Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Zelda, Rayman) and mechanics but MW3 doesn't look like it really changed much, and I don't want to play something that seems to have the "I've done this before" now feeling, unless they are aiming to do that.
Also, what I don't like about CoD is how they depict war.In the BF and MoH series, there is a feeling that these are like real people, they have families etc. In the new MoH, despite the somewhat bad sales release had a incredibly good ending. In CoD they tend to glorify war, and believe me I have seen loads of YouTube comments about people wanting to join the army cause they assume the know everything about army protocol and weapons from CoD - perhaps the reason why people hate the fanboys are because of this.
In addition perhaps, is the fact that because of the crappy releases (according to people) of CoD recently, is that all the gamers are going to transition along to BF3 with the same mindset and playstyle in CoD that doesn't work in BF with lone-wolfing - that's a possibility.
>Iron-sightsbussinrounds said:
>run n gun
pick one
Sorry to get all 4chan but the problem with COD is how much it has slwoed down and how linear it is, compare Modern Warfare 3 with Time Crisis 3:
(skip to 6:30 to get past intros)
Worryingly similar, though Time Crisis 2 look like it is more fun, certainly more fast paced.
Sure MW3 you have a left thumbstick for movement but the game is so linear and contained with such predictable cover it might as well be an on rails lightgun shooter.
I would actually be fully in favour of porting MW3 to Wii as an on-rails shooter like dead-space-extraction and I know when you stay on railed you are able to achieve much better graphics (rendering just what is in field of view, not full 360 environments).
Run and gun games are things like quake, Serious sam, painkiller and so on. Games where you can aim without needing to use iron sights and shoot accurately while moving fast dodging bullet, rockets, throwing axes and so on... serious shortage of games like that.