What's Wrong With Communism?
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Communism is terrible, because it encourages laziness.
If you will never be able to achieve anything more than anyone else, no matter how hard you work, why work?
If the government will steal from those that do work and give everyone else enough so that they don't have to work, why work?
If you will never be able to achieve anything more than anyone else, no matter how hard you work, why work?
If the government will steal from those that do work and give everyone else enough so that they don't have to work, why work?
He's Ukrainian so I think its Multiple Choice Spelling.MaxTheReaper said:
But yes, he didn't succeed greatly, although in his defense he had to fight off the Germans, the Nationalists, the Bourgeois, the counter revolutionaries and eventually even the Soviets, so the odds were stacked quite heavily against him.
According to his claims, throughout a lot of the territory he controlled everyone lived in efficient and peaceful Anarcho-Communist communes, that, unlike the Soviet system actually worked. (IE: no transitional dictatorship, no corruption, proper unity etc)
The problem is, we only have his claims to go by. The Soviets, by their nature, were obviously heavily against the experiment, wether it actually worked or not, and don't really give us a non bias viewpoint, going so far as to re-absorb the territory and pretend it never happened. Due to the circumstances of the Russian Civil war there were no other observers who can give us an objective viewpoint.
Sadly, Makhno and is supporters are the closest we can get to the truth of the whole ideology. But, it might have worked, and if it did, it might have been very successful.
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To be fair, the exact same can be applied to any system of government.Vuljatar said:
You can hardly call Somalia, Ethiopia or Zaire countries that started with a communist mindset.
Maybe he means Socialist.robert632 said:
OT: At its core communism is a great idea. In reality a dictator always takes over and thusly just drives it his way. I think China is the only country thats got its feet firm with a Communist government.
Where?Vuljatar said:
There has never been a true communist nation, keep that in mind when you judge using the USSR, China or North Korea.
Erm..No. These are probably the nutcases who think the Homosexual Agenda possessed the aircraft and flew them into the towers or something.robert632 said:
Please, clean up your spelling and grammar?
That isn't how it works they don't get paid the same, that's just stupid, it's how much you put into society is what you get out of it. So if this was the greatest shit cleaner ever and this was a pretty lousy doctor, then they might get paid the same.Blackadder51 said:
Human Nature
GREED
Why work to be a lawyer when you earn the same as a garbage man people want more if they are doing the hard yard for it.
In theory if Humans were all robots then yes it may work but apart from that no it wouldn't work because humans always strive to be better than the other person in the room.
GREED
Why work to be a lawyer when you earn the same as a garbage man people want more if they are doing the hard yard for it.
In theory if Humans were all robots then yes it may work but apart from that no it wouldn't work because humans always strive to be better than the other person in the room.
Because... errr..Vuljatar said:
Everyone should have the occupation that they want to have. Something That you are good at, you like to do and what you enjoy.
Then you wound't think about the "unfairness" of the system, 'cause it wouldn't be.
Surely some crap jobs wouldn't be done with this kind of arragement.
Maybe in the future, when those jobs can be automatised.
And yeh, we would need every human being involved for this to work (over 7 billion). What a dilemma.
Even if Communism work, it would make life a livening hell for all that have an ego or is better that the man next to him in the rice fields.
Communism goal is equally. Equally is a bad thing. Not having any self worth. No way of being better than anyone or no way of having ascents of achievement. The last day being the same as the last
By the way, free healthcare is not Communism a lone, it would be Socialism.
Communism goal is equally. Equally is a bad thing. Not having any self worth. No way of being better than anyone or no way of having ascents of achievement. The last day being the same as the last
By the way, free healthcare is not Communism a lone, it would be Socialism.
The problem is that communism by it's very nature destroys the economy (look at China before they started allowing more western style economics into the country, or any other communist nation larger than a gnat's dick.)GoldenCondor said:
In theory communism is awesome, but it requires that humans ignore their natural impulses and nature. That just isn't going to happen.
In the end communism ends up as either a dictatorship (North Korean, Cuba [which is only still working because of the American trade embargo]) or a society with an extremely rich ruling class, and those that aren't a part of it being so poor they can almost not afford to feed themselves (USSR, China.)
What you are describing is socialism, the economic basis for communism. Socialism only works in doses. If you socialize every business in the country, the country stops innovating because there is nothing to motivate it. Things that need to be socialized: health care, schools, roads, law enforcement, military. Nothing else should be socialized or you start to eat the economy away little by little.
talking about ideas and stuff is great intellectual exercise, communism is a great idea and all but...
we have to work on the examples we have when we are talking about introducing those ideas into life.
and the facts are, nobody did it properly and it always led to a creation of a totalitarian state. as a citizen of Poland, a country that, with all due respect, had more to do with the ussr than uk, usa and other western countries, i had to say that communism sucked.
Let's make a quick mental experiment and talk about what would happen if this site turned communist (quick steps):
1. the site employees revolt and ban the old owners (imprison etc). new owners chosen from among the loudest of the revolutionaries.
2. new owners call themselves the leaders and talk about sharing and common goods, old admins and mods are banned (all of them), new ones chosen by the leaders from their retinue
3. any user rebelling against the new order (by for example, expressing his doubts) is banned, tracked by the ip number, his e mail accounts are banned, he cant access his bank account etc, finally internet connection taken away
4. couple of months pass, people start to wonder what changed, so the leaders pick people at random to ban. at the root of the communist state is the existence of an enemy (well, not restricted to communist states, really
)
figure out the rest.
Myself, I'm enjoying capitalism with all its flaws at the moment. At least we can talk about them.
we have to work on the examples we have when we are talking about introducing those ideas into life.
and the facts are, nobody did it properly and it always led to a creation of a totalitarian state. as a citizen of Poland, a country that, with all due respect, had more to do with the ussr than uk, usa and other western countries, i had to say that communism sucked.
Let's make a quick mental experiment and talk about what would happen if this site turned communist (quick steps):
1. the site employees revolt and ban the old owners (imprison etc). new owners chosen from among the loudest of the revolutionaries.
2. new owners call themselves the leaders and talk about sharing and common goods, old admins and mods are banned (all of them), new ones chosen by the leaders from their retinue
3. any user rebelling against the new order (by for example, expressing his doubts) is banned, tracked by the ip number, his e mail accounts are banned, he cant access his bank account etc, finally internet connection taken away
4. couple of months pass, people start to wonder what changed, so the leaders pick people at random to ban. at the root of the communist state is the existence of an enemy (well, not restricted to communist states, really
)figure out the rest.
Myself, I'm enjoying capitalism with all its flaws at the moment. At least we can talk about them.
