What's Wrong With Communism?

[Agema]

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A side note, but does anyone see the irony in the anarchists being one of the most organised armies? Both here and in the spainish civil war.

No. Anarchy is anti-hierarchy, it's not anti-organisation.

 

[happysock]

Well, I like being an individual. I like being able to go to the grocery store and decide what I'm having for dinner. I like being able to create artwork and play music with the things that I own. I like being on the internet.

In short, I like being able to decide my quality of life.

If I really thought that humanity could just drop everything and coexist, than I would be for it. The fact that I know it can't makes me quite sad.

What you have described is exactly my point, in theory nothing is "wrong" with communism however it just doesn't work due to human nature and always wanting more, personally i would prefer communism as we need it at the moment to increase the countries money however it would just end horribly wrong

 

[WrongSprite]

Because it doesn't work in practise. It's not complicated.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The Red, white and blue? But I suppose they are one of the evil countries.

Yes, France is quite evil.

 

[Brett Alex]

No it's not. A country can't live and prosper if all of the industry's are state run. And i take it your not very old for making a thread like this.

I think I missed that, when did you carry out the experiment to check it? Which large scale industrialized populous developed country did you use for test purposes?

Did you have a 'control' company country without communism to check it against? I just point that out because otherwise the results might not be valid and all your hard work would be wasted, which would be a shame.

 

[Agema]

A country can't live and prosper if all of the industry's are state run. And i take it your not very old for making a thread like this.

It can prosper: a state can run industries for profit and export goods abroad. There are plenty of companies in the world where governments own (or owned) over 50% of those companies' shares, and those companies were successful.

 

[Notion]

Communism hasen't worked very well. The Soviet Union ended up collapsing from internal pressure. China, isen't even communist anymore, they have had so many economic reforms that there bascialy a market economy now. North Korea is just a dictatorship trying to pretend there communist. I guess one of the reasons it hasen't worked is because the countries in which a communist government is installed always has a very large percent of the population being quite poor.So communism to them is a way to get back at the rich and the rest who arn't suffering like them.

 

[Pillypill]

I like parts of communism free health care, like in Canada and Great Britan, plus it would remove a lot of poverty and does help promote the whole "we are all equal thing". But then theres that whole "we are all equal just some more equal than others" thing where communism can be exploited to allow powerful people to increase their wealth and control others. That and if you spend 11 training to become a doctor you want to earn a lot more than some dude in KFC, right?

 

[Pillypill]

P.S. since so many banks are being nationalised ( in GB at least) pretty soon there will be a lot of state owned banks and compannys so thats getting sort of close to communism>

 

[titanium turtle]

hooray for communism!!!

because democracy is quite shit

 

[irishstormtrooper]

Nothing is wrong with communism other than human nature. People cannot live without being able to brag about being better off than someone else.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Pure communism is basically the idea that if there were a 100% income tax, people would still work.

O come on you know you would still love to spend 8=10 years in school to be a doctor or work 60 hours a week as a manager somewhere

I hate when people argue for communism based on some idealist view of of it rather than the reality. Communism will never work because humans are not equal nor do they desire to be. Those in power (a governing entity is a necessity) will lord over those that are not in power. Economies stagnate as incentive(wealth) is nullified. Plus there is the whole freedom thing, people like keeping what they earn and improving their life, we are very goal oriented people.

Communism doesn't even work on paper, (except in someones Utopian view of humanity) Communism cannot be brought about(except in small communities). Communism is not just, nor is it fair. It should be a dead ideology.

 

[Danik93]

communism is more than freehealthcare. Communisms is based on that no one will have it better than the others... which is kind of nice... but the thing is for everything to be exactly the same for everyone, everyone must think,be,have the same religion E.T.C which is impossible because we are different, and you own nothing because the government will own everything in the whole country... and that's (in my opinion) is very very bad. and so none will call me a capitalist (because i'm not) i will say that i'm a Liberal

 

[Kair]

Pure communism is basically the idea that if there were a 100% income tax, people would still work.

O come on you know you would still love to spend 8=10 years in school to be a doctor or work 60 hours a week as a manager somewhere

I hate when people argue for communism based on some idealist view of of it rather than the reality. Communism will never work because humans are not equal nor do they desire to be. Those in power (a governing entity is a necessity) will lord over those that are not in power. Economies stagnate as incentive(wealth) is nullified. Plus there is the whole freedom thing, people like keeping what they earn and improving their life, we are very goal oriented people.

Communism doesn't even work on paper, (except in someones Utopian view of humanity) Communism cannot be brought about(except in small communities). Communism is not just, nor is it fair. It should be a dead ideology.

Socialism is supposed to shape the mind of the people.
Just like very few ever thought the world would stray away from feudalism, people now think the world will never stray away from capitalism.

Communism will always be criticized because it demands some intelligence and determination to figure out what it really is (Read any of Marx or Engelbergs texts and see for yourself) and it is so much easier to just believe what other people tell you it is. I doubt Reagan or McCarthy knew what communism was, because they referred to the economy of russia as communist. They were uninformed.
Take anarchy for an example, uninformed people will tell you it is a state of chaos without any laws, but people who have read about it know that it is merely a political system without rulers, from where its name derives.

 

[Yazacoo]

I like parts of communism free health care, like in Canada and Great Britan, plus it would remove a lot of poverty and does help promote the whole "we are all equal thing". But then theres that whole "we are all equal just some more equal than others" thing where communism can be exploited to allow powerful people to increase their wealth and control others. That and if you spend 11 training to become a doctor you want to earn a lot more than some dude in KFC, right?

Thats socialism man.
I'm all for them- whoot for free health care and better living standards for everyone!
Free Milk to all school children(UK)! No fees to go to University just grades(Ireland)!

Just, lets not go overboard with cencoring (Ireland) and big brother type things (UK)-
Oh wait...

 

[Yazacoo]

I've always been really interested in anarchy... Whats the best book to read about it?

I've read Marx, but I don't know if it would really work in practice- just like Platos Republic couldn't really work in practice...(Seemingly its what inspired the Nazis)

 

[Mythos1092]

Human nature. With any society that attempts communism, there will be corruption and greed, which leaves a large amount of people screwed over, which makes the whole system fall apart. Pure communism just doesn't work. In a perfect world, that would be the perfect system. But in the real world, it just won't work.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Pure communism is basically the idea that if there were a 100% income tax, people would still work.

O come on you know you would still love to spend 8=10 years in school to be a doctor or work 60 hours a week as a manager somewhere

I hate when people argue for communism based on some idealist view of of it rather than the reality. Communism will never work because humans are not equal nor do they desire to be. Those in power (a governing entity is a necessity) will lord over those that are not in power. Economies stagnate as incentive(wealth) is nullified. Plus there is the whole freedom thing, people like keeping what they earn and improving their life, we are very goal oriented people.

Communism doesn't even work on paper, (except in someones Utopian view of humanity) Communism cannot be brought about(except in small communities). Communism is not just, nor is it fair. It should be a dead ideology.

Socialism is supposed to shape the mind of the people.
Just like very few ever thought the world would stray away from feudalism, people now think the world will never stray away from capitalism.

Communism will always be criticized because it demands some intelligence and determination to figure out what it really is (Read any of Marx or Engelbergs texts and see for yourself) and it is so much easier to just believe what other people tell you it is. I doubt Reagan or McCarthy knew what communism was, because they referred to the economy of russia as communist. They were uninformed.
Take anarchy for an example, uninformed people will tell you it is a state of chaos without any laws, but people who have read about it know that it is merely a political system without rulers, from where its name derives.

Your approaching communism from the ideal of it not the reality(of which it is a dictatorial socialism). I'm not saying whats wrong with it in theory but in practice.
we take labels capitalism socialism communism and put them where they fit.

But anyways what is this intelligence that is required to understand communism? I read this by marx and think bad idea.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.


What is this noble idea of communism that you so advocate is this part of what it means to you? I read that and I see CONTROL.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

My mistake. By controlled, I meant territory he was able to defend against invasion, not territory he ruled with an iron fist.

Still, as far as I'm aware, in Anarchy, you aren't supposed to have any protectors, any government, etc.
Though I can understand the need, seeing as how it was only one area that was that way.

Sadly, it's true. But I think that it's something we can change.

People need an incentive to change.

Exactly, how can someone control territory, yet call the government in said territory anarchy. Oxycleanmoron! It hurts mah brain!

Well, he could not be controlling it, just defending it from outside interference...
But that's almost crossing a line.

How about...

We all vote Sarah Palin, 2012

She will set us right

God Bless America

...That is either the most creative troll or the worst first post made by a serious poster, ever.

A better life for everyone is incentive enough for me. It is also for many people.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

A better life for everyone is incentive enough for me. It is also for many people.

You can cut down massive quotes, you know.

And I think you're confusing yourself with many people - most humans are greedy and self-serving first, only putting on a mask of politeness because society will fuck them sideways if they don't.

Many humans, but not most.

Why don't we change this, then?