What's wrong with PC gamers?

[Lord Krunk]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

That is an awesome list

True. Very true.

It's not all PC gamers that are supremacists (but a lot of them are). I don't know why they're like that, but it's just stupid.

 

[searanox]

It's not all PC gamers that are supremacists (but most are). I don't know why they're like that, but it's just stupid.

It's not that hard to understand. I've been playing PC games more and more often lately and whenever I try to go back to consoles, they increasingly strike me as the retarded cousins of gaming you want to keep hidden in the basement. Console games just feel clunky and unintuitive for me a good majority of the time, unpolished and lacking sophistication. Obviously it's because my ideas of "sophistication" and "polish" differ from other people's, but it's definitely not hard to see why someone would be drawn to PC gaming and reject console gaming.

I love numbers in gaming, I love stats, I love customisation, I love playing with Tetris inventory screens, I love redundant features, I love control customisation, I love precision input with a mouse, I love point-and-click and the ease of use it brings, I love mods, I love being able to play online for free, I love sitting in my computer chair over my keyboard, I love how PCs are multi-purpose devices, I love being able to browse the Internet and game at the same time on the same device, and I love many things more about PCs that separate them from consoles.

 

[Lord Krunk]

It's not all PC gamers that are supremacists (but most are). I don't know why they're like that, but it's just stupid.

It's not that hard to understand. I've been playing PC games more and more often lately and whenever I try to go back to consoles, they increasingly strike me as the retarded cousins of gaming you want to keep hidden in the basement. Console games just feel clunky and unintuitive for me a good majority of the time, unpolished and lacking sophistication. Obviously it's because my ideas of "sophistication" and "polish" differ from other people's, but it's definitely not hard to see why someone would be drawn to PC gaming and reject console gaming.

No, I stand by the fact that it's stupid.

I play both consoles and PC games, and while PCs are generally better for graphics, consoles win for gameplay. This is especially prominent in FPSes, where PCs, while fun and pretty, just don't quite match up to the feel of consoles.

Mind you, consoles are NOT for the RTS.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

No, I stand by the fact that it's stupid.

I play both consoles and PC games, and while PCs are generally better for graphics, consoles win for gameplay. This is especially prominent in FPSes, where PCs, while fun and pretty, just don't quite match up to the feel of consoles.

You're only saying that because you keep forgetting where the sentries are.

 

[searanox]

No, I stand by the fact that it's stupid.

I play both consoles and PC games, and while PCs are generally better for graphics, consoles win for gameplay. This is especially prominent in FPSes, where PCs, while fun and pretty, just don't quite match up to the feel of consoles.

Mind you, consoles are NOT for the RTS.

A PC gamer who prefers shooters on consoles? That's... well, I've seen it before, but not very often. I think that console shooters are clunky, slow, overly simplified, awkward to control, and generally crap. But hey, do what you think is fun.

I do think completely ignoring consoles just because they're consoles is stupid. I have a Wii, if only to play the exclusive Nintendo games, because I love Nintendo as a first party. However, the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 simply do not interest me. They don't. Period. I'm sure there's good games on them that don't come out for the PC, but most of them seem to be these days, and they're usually better on that platform as well. I figure that with the money I'm saving to spend on my preferred platform, I'm not missing all that much.

 

[Lord Krunk]

No, I stand by the fact that it's stupid.

I play both consoles and PC games, and while PCs are generally better for graphics, consoles win for gameplay. This is especially prominent in FPSes, where PCs, while fun and pretty, just don't quite match up to the feel of consoles.

Mind you, consoles are NOT for the RTS.

A PC gamer who prefers shooters on consoles? That's... well, I've seen it before, but not very often. I think that console shooters are clunky, slow, overly simplified, awkward to control, and generally crap. But hey, do what you think is fun.

I do think completely ignoring consoles just because they're consoles is stupid. I have a Wii, if only to play the exclusive Nintendo games, because I love Nintendo as a first party. However, the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 simply do not interest me. They don't. Period. I'm sure there's good games on them that don't come out for the PC, but most of them seem to be these days, and they're usually better on that platform as well. I figure that with the money I'm saving to spend on my preferred platform, I'm not missing all that much.

I agree with you on that last paragraph. However, the PS3 is the only console that doesn't interest me; the 360 and the Wii actually hold some market value in my eyes.

As for root's comment: What? Call me an idiot, but I don't understand.

 

[Fronken]

first of all, saying that only PC gamers defend their console and bash others are just ignorant, you should really read more forums if you think that, and about the Mouse/Keyboard, yeah, it is the superior controller, and im not just saying that because these last years i've been a PC gamer only, im saying that because it actually IS superior to the console ones, due to it having many more buttons and all games let you configure your controls so they suit you better.

And about the Console Tards bit;

Thats only because console gaming is so childish these days, the games are much MUCH to simple, they used to offer a challenge back in the 8-64 bit era, then Console gaming was fun and challenging, today a regular mediocre game such as Gears of War or whatever other crappy looking game is out there is just to simple, i played through Gears of War without any problem whatsoever, the only time i had a hard time was the first level, getting the weird controls down, once that was done, the game was a piece of cake, much like every other console game i've played the last 5 years.

 

[Lord Krunk]

console gaming is so childish these days, the games are much MUCH to simple, they used to offer a challenge back in the 8-64 bit era

Okay, here's why he's wrong. Here's an example of an early console controller:

And here's it's modern counterpart's controller.

The first has a grand total of 5 buttons, where the second has 11 buttons, not including the Analog stick. Yeah, that's really less complex.

As for the rest of your post, you're exactly the supremacist we're talking about. Don't deny it.

Eugh, I feel like I'm trolling. I need a shower.

 

[Graustein]

SNIP

That's not a very good argument. Fronken used simple as a synonym for easy, not basic. Although it would be very easy to argue that the Wii's controls are, by and large, simpler than SNES controls (probably not NES). Generally speaking, NES games WERE much more difficult than modern games, although, may I point out, not necessarily for all the right reasons.

 

[mark_n_b]

If you wanted to make a point against PCs, you might have mentioned that consoles are easier to use, and having a fixed hardware standard means that upgrading is not a concern.

Not really a point against PCs so much as a point for consoles. It is the number one reason I prefer console gaming, I don't have to read the system requirements on new games like a calorie counter with a box of low fat cookies.

Exactly. Games have to be dumbed down for the consoles as they have limited control space, leading to the phrase console tard. And in my opinion any thing that boasts halo as a reason to buy something, should be destoryed.

fanboy much mr. "destoryed"? I am guessing flame + baiting there. But this brings up a good point. Less does not necessarily mean worse. Simplified design for a more specific controlling mechanism usually requires stronger design skills on the part of a developer. And I find very few modern console / PC releases to be significantly different from one another in content.

People have talked about human nature being the primary reason for the Pc elitism. There is also the fact that the PC is the less media toted system which is why it is more slanted to one side. I call it the "macintosh douchebag syndrome", Macs and PCs are effectively the same in quality and usability, but mac users are hardcore about how inherently superior their system is and therefore, as consumers, they are. This is very actively encouraged by macintosh marketing (I'm a PC / I'm a mac commercials) PC gaming gets a similar treatment which is why you see a lot of the PC gaming superiority.

Some facts for you all:
While the mouse generally makes for more accuracy in the FPS gametype, it really does depend on the FPS game. Gamepads however do offer themselves as the more suitable controller for a number of other game-types, platformers for example.

If we consider the Atari 2600 as the first console then we have to accept the fact that consoles have been around longer than PCs when it comes to gaming. The Apple II series was really the first computer that was able to handle the gaming that it's console competitors were serving up.

PCs have the potential for superior everything to Consoles, and there will always be someone who pushes the boundaries to ensure these excesses can be purchased for. However that superiority is not ensured nor has it been a granted for any PC purchased.

Gaming PCs are incredibly varied in price depending on the users knowledge of the technology.

PCs have enjoyed a number of game types due to certain realities of technology (particularly connectivity and real time processing) so you will find more RTS and MMO styled titles on PC. The current gen of consoles has effectively caught up to PCs on these fronts (too bad rts popularity has been steadily decreasing over the past three years). A PC can still be easily built to exceed set console specs.

Both PC and console gaming have their benefits and flaws, neither is really inferior or superior, I guarantee for every reason you can argue focusing on one there is a reason for focusing on the other, so, for those that are doing it, chill on the subtle (sometimes not so subtle) calling out of console / PC gamers.

 

[Xhumed]

I haven't owned a console since the megadrive, but I don't hate consoles. I just find the mouse and keyboard a more elegant method of control.

 

[Lord Krunk]

SNIP

That's not a very good argument. Fronken used simple as a synonym for easy, not basic. Although it would be very easy to argue that the Wii's controls are, by and large, simpler than SNES controls (probably not NES). Generally speaking, NES games WERE much more difficult than modern games, although, may I point out, not necessarily for all the right reasons.

I do agree with you there. However, I was just providing an example of the fact that console gaming is not degenerating, unlike his comment states.

 

[mark_n_b]

I haven't owned a console since the megadrive, but I don't hate consoles. I just find the mouse and keyboard a more elegant method of control.

See, that seems to me to be a wholly subjective point. by which I mean to say that is a wholly subjective point. Given that, it can't be a justifiable answer to the question why PC gaming is so vehemently considered superior to consoles by PC players.

 

[Xhumed]

I haven't owned a console since the megadrive, but I don't hate consoles. I just find the mouse and keyboard a more elegant method of control.

See, that seems to me to be a wholly subjective point. by which I mean to say that is a wholly subjective point. Given that, it can't be a justifiable answer to the question why PC gaming is so vehemently considered superior to consoles by PC players.

Any answer you get is going to be a wholly subjective point. That's what an opinion is. Many people consider the mouse and keyboard a better control method, but I can't speak for them, can I?
Personally, I think saying "PC gamers think their platform is better that other people's" is a sweeping generalisation- besides, it's not like console users don't do the same thing, except they tend to focus on each other's consoles instead. Some games just make more sense being run on a PC, and those are the games I prefer to play, so I choose the PC as my gaming platform. I don't think its better than consoles- if I could afford one, I'd probably buy one.

 

[searanox]

While the mouse generally makes for more accuracy in the FPS gametype, it really does depend on the FPS game. Gamepads however do offer themselves as the more suitable controller for a number of other game-types, platformers for example.

It's worth pointing out that there are plenty of gamepads for PCs available. Hell, you can even use an Xbox 360 controller with a PC if you want to, and it works great. Hook it up to your HDTV and you're in business if you really want the "console experience". The whole "controllers are better for some games" argument is moot because most console games (or consoles) don't support a mouse/keyboard setup, while joypads are fully customisable and usable with any game on a PC. The only limiting factor is the games, but again, most Xbox make their way to PC in some form or other; usually the PC version is the best one, to boot.

 

[Fraught]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

This thing goes vice-versa too. Console gamers make fun of PC gamers, because PC gamers have to spend so much money on their PCs, they have so many cheaters, they can get viruses, and many console gamers think using a keyboard in FPSs is "n00bish".

 

[SillyGodDisco]

I don't see why people lean toward PC or Consoles I play both for these reasons:

PC
-MMORPGs
-Better RTSs(I really dont think you can deny that one the xbox RTSs are horrid)

Consoles
-RPGs (such as Fable,Mass Effect,etc. I like the console versions better)
-Playing with my friends(all my friends enjoy consoles more)
-more comfortable chair(the couch is always better than my computer chair)

However if I had to guess why PC gamers have to defend their PCs is because do you know how much money you have to keep putting into it to keep it up to date? With consoles you buy the system and boom you're good to go.With PCs it's a little more difficult.But still they shouldn't be bashing console gamers because alot of GOOD console games were ported to pc like Bioshock,Mass Effect,Gears of War,etc.

But this is just my opinion

 

[crimson5pheonix]

first of all, saying that only PC gamers defend their console and bash others are just ignorant, you should really read more forums if you think that, and about the Mouse/Keyboard, yeah, it is the superior controller, and im not just saying that because these last years i've been a PC gamer only, im saying that because it actually IS superior to the console ones, due to it having many more buttons and all games let you configure your controls so they suit you better.

And about the Console Tards bit;

Thats only because console gaming is so childish these days, the games are much MUCH to simple, they used to offer a challenge back in the 8-64 bit era, then Console gaming was fun and challenging, today a regular mediocre game such as Gears of War or whatever other crappy looking game is out there is just to simple, i played through Gears of War without any problem whatsoever, the only time i had a hard time was the first level, getting the weird controls down, once that was done, the game was a piece of cake, much like every other console game i've played the last 5 years.

This is the kind of person I'm talking about. One thing I want to say is that you can't say a keyboard/mouse is better than a gamepad or vice-versa, It's all subjective. You say a keyboard is better because there are more buttons. I like a gamepad more because it's more ergonomic for me and it's what I'm used to. I've been playing on PC for a couple of years now and I still like the gamepad more, but that's because I was raised on the gamepad since the NES.

 

[Fluke]

Every gaming friend I know also owns a console of some description (or I suppose you could say every console owning friend I have also owns a PC).

It constantly amazes me after all these years that so many people feel the need to label themselves as either a PC or console gamer.

 

[Fronken]

console gaming is so childish these days, the games are much MUCH to simple, they used to offer a challenge back in the 8-64 bit era

Okay, here's why he's wrong. Here's an example of an early console controller:

And here's it's modern counterpart's controller.

The first has a grand total of 5 buttons, where the second has 11 buttons, not including the Analog stick. Yeah, that's really less complex.

As for the rest of your post, you're exactly the supremacist we're talking about. Don't deny it.

Eugh, I feel like I'm trolling. I need a shower.

Did i ever say that the controls were harder back in the day?, nope, i said Games, and the Games were much harder back in the day then they are now, so dont try to bullshit me by posting pictures of old vs. new controllers, as i never even mentioned the new controller nor the old controller.