Well since there's been a thread that asked what opinion you had that others disagreed with, I'm taking it a step further. What opinion do you have that might cause outrage? (game hate when among said game's fanboys not withstanding.) If you feel the need, spoiler it, and put in the spoiler tag who it may offend.
I want to preface this by saying that I am a huge fan of culture and tradition, and for that reason, I do believe that various religious practices and ceremonies should continue due to their traditional and cultural value. However, while tradition can be important to maintain the identity of your people (If you're that kind of person) I do feel that when it comes to logical and scientific decision making, religion should not be factored, and until it is removed as a factor from important decisions like this, humanity is being held back. This can range from decisions of logic and safety, like the use of condoms, to steps in science such as Stem Cell research. While I appreciate the philosophical and moral aspects of this, the religious aspect of such an opinion is only getting in the way of dealing with it reasonably. I would say that the best solution would be some kind of checkbox when donating sperm, or eggs to a fertility clinic. Removing the emotional attachment a pregnant woman might feel towards the life growing inside her will help I realize it sounds a little harsh, and am only stating it as a step in the right direction. If I had to give a historical example, I would point out how several interpretations of religion forbade the dissection of humans, and it was only with the founding of the Greek city of Alexandria that things slowly came about to a more logical point of view.
It isn't my intention to pointlessly offend, and I have tried to state my argument in a reasonable way, suitable for a level headed debate.
Edit: Also, the forum posting button freaked out on me, I don't know if it'll mess stuff up.
Actually the last time I checked it was awhile ago but the Catholic church actally supported a certian type of stem cell research the kind that doesn't kill a human embryo or something like that they are only against it when it kills a human life. (I think, again I heard this when I was a little kid and it was awhile ago)
People hope that if the world was free of religion it would be full of rational people. They are wrong, wrong, wrong. There are murderous idiots that would exist without religion.
You mean religion is not holding us back from becoming Vulcans?
I don't want to live in a fully rational world. Especially since the touted "rational" people can't see that religion is a tool for evil and good, not a cause for either.
I think religions should fuck right off the world. Without any religious people being hurt, except for maybe the Pope, islamists and whatever other people use religion for power and/or harm. I see no reason for why people believe in any of this mumbo jumbo other than greed (the different variants of heaven), it being hammered into their minds throughout their life (any religion and society ever) and the threat of harm (the different punishments of religions, such as hell.)
I sadly won't mention the second opinion of mine because I believe that it would be too controversial, even for this place.
I don't think you're being fair to (or perharps are just ignorant of) other religions than mainstream monotheistic religions. While yes, most religions that are popular today utilise the greed and fear of the people to gain supporters, many religions such as Bhuddism, Paganism and Hinduism (to a lesser extent), generally have a far less black and white approach that better represents reality. Also, you call religion "mumbo jumbo" and yet there is no conclusive way to prove that anything is real or not. Almost all scientific knowledge we have is taught to us by those who came before and could be a complete fabrication for all we know. On top of this, scienctific knowledge is based on empirical evidence that we have no way of assuring is correct. So clearly, people should be able to believe whatever they want because there is no sure way to know.
Yeah, I think that as well, however, my parents and the school system disagree.
Explains my failing mark in math, and my 90 in my Comm. Tech class. It's really just what used to be called film class.
The problem with communism is that the guy who organised the whole thing and is the communist countrys leader becomes a raging douche interested only in MOAR POWER and kills ppl to get it
Read animal farm by george orwells it explains it pretty well
Although I do suppose one way to get around this problem would be for the leader to be completely anyomonous thus meaning he cant harm others for his benefit
Yeah, sorry about that first thing, I forgot to mention that my more militant beliefs are more directed at Christianity and Islam. I havn't learned enough about the far eastern religions to make any decisive judgement on how bad/good/whatever they can really be deemed, my apologies. I didn't put a lot of thought into my post now in retrospective, which is definitely not good in an argumentative thread.
But yeah, in regard to your point, we don't know what is right or wrong here. But this whole thing seems kind of like a fairy tale to me. "There's an invisible pink unicorn somewhere in this galaxy with god-like powers!" - There would no way of disproving or proving that and I would say the same for god. Atheism seems like a better choice than, say, Christianity because in atheism you don't let this thing that you don't really know whether it exists or not dictate your life, while you do so within religions. I don't see any reason to believe in something that could very well be completely made up.
Science has not, and never will, rule out the existance of a higher power.
Despite not being religious, I believe religion is one of the most beneficial parts of humanity, and is what has caused us to progress for thousands of years.
Killing someone is never justified, with the exception of having no other alternative to saving another's life.
Edit: This too:
Death_Korps_Kommissar said:
Prison should be a place of rehabilitation not punishment. That only breeds contempt.
Aw crap, you reminded me of yet another controversial opinion I hold.
I'm in the same boat as you buddy, especially regarding voting.
In America, you're allowed to vote for whoever the crap you want for whatever reason!
Hah!
Sometimes it's a goddamn popularity contest!
And why does everyone align themselves with either of the two extremes?
I'm not a Republican or Democrat. They both have good ideas, and they both have god awful ideas. Why can't we just take the best of both?
And don't get me started on religion...
Should religion be a major decider as to who gets elected president? HELL NO! He's being hired to lead a goddamn country, not comfort people with fairy tails!
That is all.
err, I think all the reasons you mentioned are covered under what I said, as in, the majority of people are fucking stupid. Why would anyone sane care what a bunch of drunk, militantly religious/non-religious, fucking retards think about how a country should be run?
I consider myself a conservative liberal, as in, I believe that between one/two(Or more) consenting adults, you can do anything you want. just don't expect me to pay for it!
I think it could work if it was implemented without every single country on the planet trying to destroy it. Cuba could have done well if it wasn't for the US embargo on it, I think.
I think marriage is an outdated, stone age Practise that has been used to imprison women for millennia and dearly wish it would go out of Practise. Stay with one person for ever, that's cool, but don't expect anything special.
I think there should be an end to organised religion as it only seems to cause more death than it's worth. Divide all the churches wealth amongst the poor, they don't need all that luxury. Believing in god is fine, just for some reason when they all get together they get urges to murder people :/
Nixon wasn't that bad a president and Regan was an abomination.
Polygamy is fine.
Prison should be a place of rehabilitation not punishment. That only breeds contempt.
I don't believe having children should be an inherent human right.
I also believe if someone has a high chance of passing on a debilitating disease to their offspring, they should not be allowed to have children. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to adopt or raise a child, simply that to have one biologically would be illegal.
I think it could work if it was implemented without every single country on the planet trying to destroy it. Cuba could have done well if it wasn't for the US embargo on it, I think.
Or if it were implemented in a more advanced country. Karl Marx had expected communist revolutions to occur in industrial nations. Instead they occurred in agricultural nations that couldn't sustain themselves under a communist government.
The problem with communism is that the guy who organised the whole thing and is the communist countrys leader becomes a raging douche interested only in MOAR POWER and kills ppl to get it
I politely disagree, I always thought that the first generation of ACTUAL communists start out with the best intentions (Tyrants who only use Communism as a start-point for power don't count), its the people themselves that pervert the ideal. And their sub-leaders. Which shouldn't technically exist in a communist country.
That said, I don't think communism is possible beyond the small scale groups, because all it takes is one guy going "Hold on, I trained for 7 years to be a doctor, yet this garbage guy is paid the same? WTF" and then it collapses onto itself.
Science has not, and never will, rule out the exist of a higher power.
Despite not being religious, I believe religion is one of the most beneficial parts of humanity, and it is what has caused us to progress for thousands of years.
Killing someone is never justified, with the exception of having no other alternative to saving another's life.
I agree on points 1 and 3.
How ever with 2 you are so very wrong. We progressed as a species because we were curios, because we had a desire to see how things worked.
Religion says it's magic so deal with it. Saying god done it gets us to the arse end of no-where and can even prevent our progress. Go ask Galileo.
I believe freedom of speech is overrated, because way too many people abuse it.
I believe the American Second Amendment is outright absurd and the rabid gun nuts who defend it are paranoid, violent lunatics.
I believe that people who blatantly (i.e no possibility of innocence) commmit truly monstrous, cruel and evil crimes should be reclassified as "monsters" rather than humans and "destroyed"- no trial, no execution, just dragged out back, shot and the cadaver burned.
I believe smoking should be illegal.
I believe law should incorporate a "common sense clause" which allows judges to overrule procedure and precendent when the result would otherwise be fucking retarded (e.g a BLATANTLY obvious murderer found not guilty because of a minor police procedural issue which renders a piece of critical evidence invalid).
Science has not, and never will, rule out the exist of a higher power.
Despite not being religious, I believe religion is one of the most beneficial parts of humanity, and it is what has caused us to progress for thousands of years.
Killing someone is never justified, with the exception of having no other alternative to saving another's life.
I agree on points 1 and 3.
How ever with 2 you are so very wrong. We progressed as a species because we were curios, because we had a desire to see how things worked.
Religion says it's magic so deal with it. Saying god done it gets us to the arse end of no-where and can even prevent our progress. Go ask Galileo.
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