When does someone deserve death?

[GraveeKing]

Well I guess that rapists, child molestors, murderers and what have you should rest easy at night knowing that there are people who believe in their rehabilitation.

Because you know, the 45k a year it costs to house a single inmate in prison for a year for the next however many years of their life couldnt be better spent on healthcare, giving REAL people jobs, feeding the hungry. Atleast the scum of the earth are happy though!

I've heard this argument before - don't blame me bud. Blame the politics of it all and the people who protest for 'human rights'. If someone such as the people you stated above act like that then personally I think they don't deserve those rights anymore and should be put in a minimal class prison, just feed them and give them work to do so they're useful and that's about it, I still support using major criminals as slaves.
Oh and I don't believe in rehabilitation of anything that's actually a repeated crime, still that's not mine to decide -that's the courts.

Besides the way I see it - if a criminal wants to die then he has nothing to fear that would put him to his death right? So where's the punishment? True suicidal psychos have nothing to fear from such a system! A life in prison and doing unskilled work that is beneath others such as farming etc can then contribute more back towards society than he took away, hence we get benefits and he gets a hard life rather than some cushy painless death.

 

[Rawne1980]

Edit 1: For the sake of sanity, I'll give you all two cases to help you think.
1. You are dealing with a life or death scenario, a guy has a knife and will kill you unless you gun him down.

Then you are damn right i'd end his life.

I'm not going to get into the ins and outs of it but I spent 12 years in the British Army.

During my time there I had situations where it was me or some other bugger.

I'm still here.

 

[Silva]

I have an easy reply to this thread.

Never.

No one should get the authority to decide another's final fate. That includes me.

All the judgements that we make upon others have their flaws, at least when it comes to this. There are better ways of creating justice. Such as imprisonment.

Well I guess that rapists, child molestors, murderers and what have you should rest easy at night knowing that there are people who believe in their rehabilitation.

Because you know, the 45k a year it costs to house a single inmate in prison for a year for the next however many years of their life couldnt be better spent on healthcare, giving REAL people jobs, feeding the hungry. Atleast the scum of the earth are happy though!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: someone who has complete faith in the court system of every nation!

There's one born every minute. If you know what I mean.

But seriously, this is an odd claim. You're saying that thousands of people (yes, they are still people, unfortunately that's just something humanity has to face) should die because it costs money to feed them? That's an interesting, err, "moral" statement.

That aside, I'd also like to know how the decadence of Western society and the great expansion of personal luxuries like gaming and the Internet are somehow more justified than spending on the poor, even to the point of sacrificing the lives of prisoners to save on taxation. Which is more important - your gaming habit, or the life of a human being, whatever they've done? I know which I'd choose.

That and, you can afford to have all of those systems that you listed in place without shooting every murderer the court is not-very certain did the deed. Whatever certain vested interests might tell you, there is a way.

In the US, for example: just cut the trillions of dollars in military spending largely enough, and you'll be at least halfway there. Clever budgeting can seriously make miracles these days.

 

[Kriptonite]

Anyone that takes the life of another (other than to save someone or any other redeeming scenario) deserves to die. Anyone that forces themselves, sexually, upon another deserves to die. People like this clearly do not value life: theirs or others and have no reason to continue enjoying it.

 

[JMV]

I've beaten myself up thinking about this, but I always come back to the notion that it's never, in any circumstance, okay to kill someone. No matter how horrible that human being may be, I don't believe any of us has the right to take a human life. So, instead of death, whenever possible and whenever the crime is sufficiently heavy, I would go for the life sentence. Of course, not in today's top-notch criminal facilities, but in some rancid pit where the bare minimum would be done to ensure their survival. Because, you know, it's supposed to be a punishment.

That being said, I wouldn't hesitate in killing someone, were my family or someone I cared about in danger. Maybe even a total stranger, if one of them were to die, I would rather have the criminal dead. This may seem, and may very well be, hypocritical of me, but if you read closely, I never actually said that I would feel okay with doing this, only that I would do it. I accept that it is simply wrong, but in these circumstances, I'd deem it necessary.

But yeah, it's never okay.

 

[gbemery]

Death for those who cause death. Plain and simple. Though probably shouldn't apply to soldiers.

I agree to a certain extent but I would like to specify by saying those who willingly or wanted to cause death out of anything other than self defense or protecting someone else. I think someone who killed murdered someone else because they could or wanted to should die because they stole someone else's only chance at life so their's is forfeited, I would even say maybe someone who killed out of passion of the moment, but that's alittle more grey. But the main distinction is if someone say killed someone accidentally like wasn't paying attention where they were driving. Yeah they took someone's life but they didn't purposely seek out to take their life it was an accident. They should still be punished but not killed for it. Nor should someone who kills like a robber to protect their life, the lives of others or their property. Again exceptions to the rules but that's my general rule of thumb.

 

[Airsoftslayer93]

No one deserves death, because no one is inherantly evil.

 

[Bvenged]

If someone should deny another of human rights, they should be denied of theirs. Also they're too dangerous to be kept alive. They should spend 10 years in prison where they can attempt to have their execution stripped & just serve time instead, (if they're innocent, had motives that can be justified, etc.) but after 10 years - it's the injection.

Other than that just serve fines/time/rehabilitation to the corresponding criminals.

Life sentences are just not strict enough in rare cases. If someone is that dangerous to kill without justification of their actions; they do not deserve to continue their lives even in a cell, leeching off our money. They should be executed if there are absolutely no benefits to keeping them alive.

Will they kill again for no reason other than mental health / wickedness? Yes - execution, No - prison & rehabilitation.

 

[JoJo]

If someone rapes a child, they are no longer human nor worth anything, and should be put down. Call me cynical or heartless or whatever, but a pedophile deserves to die if you ask me.

I think people who talk in the movie theater deserve death, does that make me a bad person?

In all seriousness, I think pedophiles and rapists should be killed where they stand.

When you say "pedophile" I assume you actually mean "child rapist", because killing people who haven't committed a crime for having a mental disorder isn't cool in a modern society.

OT: Certain people, those who murder or seriously hurt children for example, probably deserve death but I'm against the death penalty as it risks killing innocent people. In self-defence is fine if the attacker genuinely presents a clear danger to you or others.

 

[MGlBlaze]

For one murder? No, that isn't adequate reason to sentence someone to death. It isn't even really a punishment since it's basically an easy escape from any real consequences (i.e. a long prison sentence). No opportunity to learn and become better either, though arguably that wouldn't really happen in a prison environment either.

For someone to warrant the death penalty, it must be clear that they are too dangerous to remain alive. If they have killed, and continued to kill (and is pretty obvious they will kill again as a result if/when they get out) in cold blood, that person should not be left alive. So this covers mass murderers, serial killers, or anyone who is high up enough somewhere that they have enough influence (and has ordered or taken part in previously mentioned slaughter, as well as various cases of blatant disregard for human rights) that simply putting them in prison won't do anything useful.

 

[O maestre]

rapists, pedophiles and other violaters should be put to death, they cannot in anyway be forgiven or excused for their heinous acts

 

[Sunrider]

If someone rapes a child, they are no longer human nor worth anything, and should be put down. Call me cynical or heartless or whatever, but a pedophile deserves to die if you ask me.

I think people who talk in the movie theater deserve death, does that make me a bad person?

In all seriousness, I think pedophiles and rapists should be killed where they stand.

When you say "pedophile" I assume you actually mean "child rapist", because killing people who haven't committed a crime for having a mental disorder isn't cool in a modern society.

It feels like you're just trying to act smug or superior, asking such a blatantly stupid question. If that's not the case, then I apologize, but that's how it comes across. OF COURSE I mean someone who has actually done something about it, and not just someone who at some point in time had the thought cross his mind. If fantisizing about it had any relevance, I would be in trouble for having thoughts about manslaughter.
Be reasonable.

 

[goldendriger]

Someone deserves death when-
- They are irredeemable, such as a pedophile, he's not gonna change and he is sick and should be put out of his (Our) Misery.

- When taking another life, eye for an eye, UNLESS...

- In a self defence situations, the attacker has a dangerous weapon and you dont (I know all weapons are dangerous, but id rather face a guy with a stick than a guy with an AK) in that case if he doesnt demand something like your wallet and just tries to kill you and the victim fights back and kills his attacker he shouldnt be sent to jail.

- If they get a "Life sentence" Since mostly "Life" is about 25 years, life should mean life. Or so save on cost of feeding criminals like that just get rid of them (Barbaric i know, but they'll be stuck behind bars rotting away, thats a death sentence anyway)

And Gingers- We dont want them to breed, we cant let the souless ones spread!

 

[Mookowicz]

Our births are random, the right to life is not earned, so "You deserve to die" is meaningless. A death may be convenient, expedient, practical, satisfactory or exemplary, but that doesn't mean it's deserved.

Why do we say it then?

Often, "You deserve to die" is a dispassionate code for something more bluntly self-interested: "We claim the right to kill you, and our power to kill you is our authority to do so."

But we don't say it that way because it would reveal more about ourselves than most of us would care to admit: that we're vengeful, violent and highly self-interested.

A much harder statement to face is: "You *don't* deserve to die, and killing you is *not* right, but I mean to kill you anyway." Fewer people still want to admit that, because the consequences must be lived with for the rest of our lives.

Among the worst victims of this realisation are victims of trauma relating to people they've killed: returned soldiers who find that they had more in common with their enemies than with the civilians they come home to, and police who know their neighbourhoods so well that they recognise the offender that they ultimately shoot.

"You deserve to die" doesn't say much about the person we mean to kill, because we can kill on any pretext once we decide that power equals authority. The statement is much more about ourselves -- about the limits of our sympathy and honesty.

 

[JoJo]

If someone rapes a child, they are no longer human nor worth anything, and should be put down. Call me cynical or heartless or whatever, but a pedophile deserves to die if you ask me.

When you say "pedophile" I assume you actually mean "child rapist", because killing people who haven't committed a crime for having a mental disorder isn't cool in a modern society.

It feels like you're just trying to act smug or superior, asking such a blatantly stupid question. If that's not the case, then I apologize, but that's how it comes across. OF COURSE I mean someone who has actually done something about it, and not just someone who at some point in time had the thought cross his mind. If fantisizing about it had any relevance, I would be in trouble for having thoughts about manslaughter.
Be reasonable.

I apologise if that came across as smug, I wish that was a blatantly stupid question but sadly I have argued with people before on this site who think such an attraction alone means that someone deserves to die, which in my opinion is being far too kind to molesters as that implies they don't choose to rape, which they most certainly do.

 

[dvd_72]

If it's me or them, then I will obviously value my life over thiers. I'm not the one trying to kill someone. If they can't respect my right to live, then it would be naive for me to die for that.

As for the murder criminal, that would be situational. I know for a fact though, that mass murderers would be killed if it was my choice. If they can't respect the lives of others, then they don't respect thier own. I know life is sacred, but thier actions show that they do not, and cannot, respect the sanctity of any life including thier own. The mass murderer simply does not deserve the life he has in my eyes.

 

[shadow_Fox81]

when you have the stomach to kill them.

yes it is a grim, simple and perhaps juvenile view but i could not kill a person so i can never say they deserve it, nor comprehending what it is to take a life in good concience make such a call.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Death for those who cause death. Plain and simple. Though probably shouldn't apply to soldiers.

Why shouldn't it apply to soldiers?

OT: everyone dies so when i hear someone say "they deserve to die" they should already know he/she is going to die anyway so the point doesn't change.

 

[Sunrider]

I apologise if that came across as smug, I wish that was a blatantly stupid question but sadly I have argued with people before on this site who think such an attraction alone means that someone deserves to die, which in my opinion is being far too kind to molesters as that implies they don't choose to rape, which they most certainly do.

Oh hell no, you can't judge someone for their fantasies. Unless they, you know, shove them down your throat all the time. But no, I don't think you can sentence someone to death for thinking "Hey, I'd like to have sex with someone under-aged", because that would invite all sorts of complications, like young people who look older and all that jazz.
You are judged by your actions, that's what I think. I don't want the thought-police knocking down my door and accusing me of thought-murder just because there are people I want to see dead.

I'm glad we came to a consensus about this. =)

 

[phantasmalWordsmith]

I don't think anyone deserve to die but sometimes it's the best answer we can think of, so for the greater good and a short term solution