When Should George Lucas Stop?

[Pigeon_Grenade]

Most people Into Sci fi will agree the first star wars trilogy is Quite good, then he went along too make a Prequel Trilogy, explaining events leading up too a new hope, and also explaining why it was labeled as 4, thats fine something people wanted too see, games like knights of the old republic were also good, showing the Ancient fight between good and evil, the content like jedi academy 3 are also good, explaining a bit after in books and games. however there have now Been two cases of George Lucas trying too pull off some stuff in the Middle that makes you wonder what vision he has, Art or dollar bills? in the clone wars movie(and subsequent Tv series its supposed to launch) pull characters out of no where and do things like make clones different from one and other(while in Episode 2, i distinctly remember that other then the Commandos, all clones were engineered to not have personality's the way the film portrays, more a less a way to make you care about said Clones). they also pull a Padawan out of no where, Ahsoka Tano who was assigned to anakin by yoda, though the small set of Series from 2003, doe's not have a single mention of her at all, asking the question of which one is the one thats supposed to have happened, and why make the other one to begin with if its not going to be apart of the time line ,some characters like Shaak Ti die Several different ways, by several different people 1 way is killed By Anakin, another way is from being killed by General Grevious, and most recently killed by Starkiller of the force Unleashed(which is another story that comes out of no where), this story tells of a secret Apprentice which also gets pulled from no where, and explores Jedi getting hunted and killed by said apprentice, who all seem to be found Rather Easy, though i remember it listed that Darth Vader ended up purging the remaining Jedi himself. these Projects seem bent on Profits, as opposed to art or story telling, and for the most part step on there own toes from certain choices.(and that Star Destroyer scene in the Force unleashed Really Bites)

 

[cheatking]

Most people Into Sci fi will agree the first star wars trilogy is Quite good, then he went along too make a Prequel Trilogy, explaining events leading up too a new hope, and also explaining why it was labeled as 4, thats fine something people wanted too see, games like knights of the old republic were also good, showing the Ancient fight between good and evil, the content like jedi academy 3 are also good, explaining a bit after in books and games. however there have now Been two cases of George Lucas trying too pull off some stuff in the Middle that makes you wonder what vision he has, Art or dollar bills? in the clone wars movie(and subsequent Tv series its supposed to launch) pull characters out of no where and do things like make clones different from one and other(while in Episode 2, i distinctly remember that other then the Commandos, all clones were engineered to not have personality's the way the film portrays, more a less a way to make you care about said Clones). they also pull a Padawan out of no where, Ahsoka Tano who was assigned to anakin by yoda, though the small set of Series from 2003, doe's not have a single mention of her at all, asking the question of which one is the one thats supposed to have happened, and why make the other one to begin with if its not going to be apart of the time line ,some characters like Shaak Ti die Several different ways, by several different people 1 way is killed By Anakin, another way is from being killed by General Grevious, and most recently killed by Starkiller of the force Unleashed(which is another story that comes out of no where), this story tells of a secret Apprentice which also gets pulled from no where, and explores Jedi getting hunted and killed by said apprentice, who all seem to be found Rather Easy, though i remember it listed that Darth Vader ended up purging the remaining Jedi himself. these Projects seem bent on Profits, as opposed to art or story telling, and for the most part step on there own toes from certain choices.(and that Star Destroyer scene in the Force unleashed Really Bites)

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I understand what you mean about George Lucas riding the gravey train of Star Whores but its a global, well liked story. The addition of the newer games and stories does make certain parts a bit blury but they also bring more levels of entertainment.

I mean if we look at other people such as (forgive me) J.K.Rowling. She's milking Harry Potter so much I wouldn't be surprised if he started casting Cokeilius but no one seems to ***** at her to do something else.

Let the man be....so he can get the R and D department working on real life lightsabers.

 

[werepossum]

About a decade or more ago, in my opinion, Lucas lost the muse. I've no objection to directors and producers making projects for money rather than for art, I only object when they make crap for money. Lucas added the line "Only a Sith thinks in absolutes" or something similar, reducing his re-telling of the eternal story of good versus evil to the level of a pointless and wasteful war between two equally valid cultures, each of which can only be properly understood within the context of its own socio-economic value system.

Not very entertaining.

 

[Saskwach]

About a decade or more ago, in my opinion, Lucas lost the muse. I've no objection to directors and producers making projects for money rather than for art, I only object when they make crap for money. Lucas added the line "Only a Sith thinks in absolutes" or something similar, reducing his re-telling of the eternal story of good versus evil to the level of a pointless and wasteful war between two equally valid cultures, each of which can only be properly understood within the context of its own socio-economic value system.

Not very entertaining.

So your main gripe with the new series is that he brought in moral relativism? Fair enough. I've been idly planning running a PnP RPG in the Star Wars universe for months now and my First Commandment was: Thou shalt cut down on relativism. But then I've always thought I knew the SW universe better than Lucas.

 

[jim_doki]

Lucus has to get off star wars and Indy and get back to his best properties of Monkey Island, Grim Fandango and Full Throttle. that said, i am in no way surprised, what with star wars making as much cash as it has, that he's decided to forgo it and flog that winning horse to death

 

[milomalo]

yesterday... everything he does...its getting old really fast

 

[Ixus Illwrath]

Since he finances his own works... and writes his own stories... he has as much right to do it as anyone with that capacity should. You don't have to like it, but if it offends you to see the canon of your old classics mutilated in any way, that means it was good enough to mention in the first place.

 

[fulano]

Meh, it's his shit. Star Wars is his shit not yours or anybody's. That's why he releases an updated version of the original trilogy like every 6 microseconds, no matter it makes certain people shit bricks.

Face it, the guy just doesn't care and that's fine. Nobody's forcing you to watch it nor is he mangling someone else's concept.

Just leave the guy alone. Besides, the realization of that crap gives jobs to people, so who cares?

 

[Graidis]

He should have stopped somewhere around the end of Return of the Jedi in my opinion.

 

[werepossum]

About a decade or more ago, in my opinion, Lucas lost the muse. I've no objection to directors and producers making projects for money rather than for art, I only object when they make crap for money. Lucas added the line "Only a Sith thinks in absolutes" or something similar, reducing his re-telling of the eternal story of good versus evil to the level of a pointless and wasteful war between two equally valid cultures, each of which can only be properly understood within the context of its own socio-economic value system.

Not very entertaining.

So your main gripe with the new series is that he brought in moral relativism? Fair enough. I've been idly planning running a PnP RPG in the Star Wars universe for months now and my First Commandment was: Thou shalt cut down on relativism. But then I've always thought I knew the SW universe better than Lucas.

My main gripe was that the new series sucked. It could feature moral relativism and still be entertaining a la Michael Bay or the Transporter movies, but in introducing moral relativism and suckage at the same time he not only failed in his new trilogy, but also denigrated his old work. Had he been able to make both cultures more realistic, showing that neither is completely good or evil, in an adult way (without snide comments) he might have made a masterpiece - but doing that whilst maintaining any kind of good versus evil context is walking a tightrope, and in my opinion he fell early and often, leaving characters with which his audience had little connection.

 

[crazy-j]

NOW...Ohh god now! pease stop it

 

[cleverlymadeup]

NOW...Ohh god now! pease stop it

i agree but it's probly for the ppl bitching and complaining about Lucas

i happen to be one of the few ppl on this forum who actually saw the movies on their original run in the theaters, even the prequels. i remember very well what they were like. i also saw all the Indy movies on their original runs

honestly Lucas is NOT doing a bad job, everyone complaining is either not remembering the movies for the way they really are OR they are hyping the movie up so much in their mind they are ruining it because it can never live up to what you think in your mind

or it's a bit of column a and a bit of column b

 

[JohnnoVN]

Bloody sellout, should've just stopped after the 4th, 5th and 6th Starwars films. With all the extra films, games and merchandise, it's just gotten old. Sorry George old buddy but I think you should find the deepest darkest pit and jump in.

 

[Eyclonus]

Arrrghhh!!! Lack of Paragraph structure!!!

On topic:

Lucus has to get off star wars and Indy and get back to his best properties of Monkey Island, Grim Fandango and Full Throttle. that said, i am in no way surprised, what with star wars making as much cash as it has, that he's decided to forgo it and flog that winning horse to death

I don't think Lucas was diretly involved in those properties, maybe thats why they're so good?

I'd like to point out that one of the reasons the first triology had such awesome story is the involvement of Joseph Campbell in the scriptwriting process. Most of the games have been too dependent on the Licencing to bother with innovation, excluding Kotor which is almost a mandatory requirement to have played in order to call yourself a gamer.

Maybe he should sit back do something that hasn't been done by the Lucasfilm corporation in a long time: Create an entirely new Intellectual Property to flog as a live horse...

 

[Aries_Split]

Two years ago, last Tuesday.

 

[Aries_Split]

At the point where he came up with Jar Jar Binks. That really should have been the point.

Actually, come to think of it, the moment he actually put incest in would be a good place to stop too.

It was one fucking kiss, chill out.

 

[Eyclonus]

At the point where he came up with Jar Jar Binks. That really should have been the point.

Actually, come to think of it, the moment he actually put incest in would be a good place to stop too.

It was one fucking kiss, chill out.

It always starts with just one kiss...

 

[Aries_Split]

At the point where he came up with Jar Jar Binks. That really should have been the point.

Actually, come to think of it, the moment he actually put incest in would be a good place to stop too.

It was one fucking kiss, chill out.

It always starts with just one kiss...

Reminds me of my fling with Prince.

 

[jim_doki]

At the point where he came up with Jar Jar Binks. That really should have been the point.

Actually, come to think of it, the moment he actually put incest in would be a good place to stop too.

It was one fucking kiss, chill out.

It always starts with just one kiss...

dude she was experimenting. she settled with Han, its time to let it go

 

[mooncalf]

Q: "When should George Lucas stop?"

A: When he is awoken in the middle of the night by his own tortured screams after the tenth identical nightmare of C-3PO wielding Jar Jar's severed head by it's flappy ears and asking "Do you love me now?" over and over and over and over....

Srsly though, whenever he feels like it. If you've got something you love to do and it makes somebody, anybody happy, then more power to you. I'm shocked he's lasted this long - there's got to be more to it than the money (Of course he's surrounded by $-Suckers ), and I think it's just this; how many people can claim to be in an irreplacable position where they wouldn't wanna be doing anything else?