Where is the justice?

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Im just going to say this if looking at loli becomes illegal whats next thinking of loli? Is everyone going to have to be bashed in the head at birth so they dont think of loli?

First the fake-child porn is banned.

Then the fake-rape porn.

Then the fake-bank heists.

Then the fake-prostitute solicitation.

Then the fake-murders.

Then the fake-animal murders.

And you get to play games, watch movies, read books, look at pictures, etc. with none of these elements and the world becomes a boring place where you're better off dead.

And it will all be done under the banner of "Think of the children."

 

[The Lunatic]

How do you know that every character ever shot in a video game or movie is not based off of somebody actually getting shot? How do you know that the people who make violent video games aren't killing hookers on the side, and getting away with it? It's the same damn slope.

Uh, every character in a video game or a movie, probably at some stage is based of somebody getting shot, otherwise, we wouldn't know what it looks like, however, these images are an age-old thing, I mean, humanity has been at war for as long as it's existed, we have enough reference material for that kind of thing.

Yes, killing hookers. Because nobody notices the guy who kills hookers.

Here's the thing, some crimes are a lot harder to detect than other.

 

[Finnra]

Child porn is fucking disgusting. Drawn child porn is also fucking disgusting. I pretty much agree it shouldn't be under legislation, but I don't wanna see that shit.

 

[Arawn.Chernobog]

Im just going to say this if looking at loli becomes illegal whats next thinking of loli? Is everyone going to have to be bashed in the head at birth so they dont think of loli?

First the fake-child porn is banned.

Then the fake-rape porn.

Then the fake-bank heists.

Then the fake-prostitute solicitation.

Then the fake-murders.

Then the fake-animal murders.

And you get to play games, watch movies, read books, look at pictures, etc. with none of these elements and the world becomes a boring place where you're better off dead.

And it will all be done under the banner of "Think of the children."

Exactly, it's just another bullshit way of implementing censorship and false-morality.

Hell, in general I dislike the anime style behind Lolicon, I'm far more into Western animation styles but it's stupid to request that false people (such as characters in a video game, manga, novel, movie, cartoon, etc.) be given rights equal or similar to those of actual human beings. THEY AREN'T REAL!

I just shot off a guy's head in a video game, he's nothing but pixels and code.

I just drew a naked guy with an unestablished age in this piece of paper, he's nothing but graphite and paper

I just wrote of a bank heist on a word document, it's nothing but pixels and code.

 

[Fledge]

But he didn't even draw them...he was translating....did the origingal artists get fined? No? What's wrong with this world?

 

[EinTheCorgi]

Im just going to say this if looking at loli becomes illegal whats next thinking of loli? Is everyone going to have to be bashed in the head at birth so they dont think of loli?

First the fake-child porn is banned.

Then the fake-rape porn.

Then the fake-bank heists.

Then the fake-prostitute solicitation.

Then the fake-murders.

Then the fake-animal murders.

And you get to play games, watch movies, read books, look at pictures, etc. with none of these elements and the world becomes a boring place where you're better off dead.

And it will all be done under the banner of "Think of the children."

heh yeah because we all know children are helpless little retards...even though the only reason they're like that is because we make them that way...hell if i were to wake up my daughter and challenge her to a fight she would kick me in the balls,win and then go back to sleep.

 

[Trolldor]

As much as I loathe closet-pedophiles who gawk at underage cartoons, no children were exploited. Nobody has suffered. There is nothing to be answered for unless someone cares to draw a clear, concise link with supporting evidence that says sick fucks and their loli will become child abusers.

 

[s0denone]

No reason to reply to any of the people I'm "discussing" this issue with.
We are clearly of differing opinion, and arguing endlessly would solve nothing. I will just throw in my honest two cents on the subject before I stop replying here. Feel free to quote me all you wish - I'm not going to reply.

Feel free to call me close-minded, tell me my opinions resemble those of fox news, or whatever other insult you feel like throwing my way.

I will happily defend, and openly admit to, the "discrimination" of people looking at images(drawn or otherwise) of children performing sexual acts.

You have a problem with me doing that? As I said, fine. You and I are never going to be friends. Not that I think you are now devastated by that, but I just think you should know that I will never respect you as a human being, and that all of your slander and refusal to accept that, I can only pity.

I know this may seem like a stuck-up position to take. Moral high ground and all, but is it really? I think it is very unusual for people to actively defend this sort of thing, and I am extremely disappointed in the people in this thread who are doing so. Calling me old-fashioned and conservative? It has no relevance. I vote progessive socialist(Native of Denmark), and I *for* the equal rights of just about every minority in society.
At some points, though, I draw the line.

Being aroused by children crosses that line. I have absolutely zero tolerance. I am staggered that people are apparently surprised at the moral stigma something like this carries with it. What the fuck did you people expect?

As an end note: I am sorry if this post comes off as offensive, or otherwise profane or vulgar. I do not mean to offend, but feel I can only express my honest opinion, as I have just done.

 

[The Lunatic]

You seem to be okay with the violent video games. Why? Because those are your views. There are people we get to hear about on a daily basis who would say that playing GTA makes you a likely mass murderer, and therefore you should be locked away before you hurt someone.

Doesn't make a great deal of sense, does it?

Because humans are pretty okay when it comes to war.

Generally in conflict there's people we regard as "The big bad" and therefore it makes it okay to kill these people.

This also happens in video games.

As for innocents in video games. Well, I'm not raping them. I'm killing them. A scene depicted in many different things, movies, video games, comics, novels and what-not. Therefore the regular human is pretty desensitized to it.

I'm sure if child rape was common place in movies, novels and video games, it wouldn't as n issue as it is, and everyone would be blissfully unaware of how repulsive it is to your current average person.

Does it make sense? Well, not really.

But that's just how things are. Not all crimes are equal.

 

[EinTheCorgi]

Im just going to say this if looking at loli becomes illegal whats next thinking of loli? Is everyone going to have to be bashed in the head at birth so they dont think of loli?

First the fake-child porn is banned.

Then the fake-rape porn.

Then the fake-bank heists.

Then the fake-prostitute solicitation.

Then the fake-murders.

Then the fake-animal murders.

And you get to play games, watch movies, read books, look at pictures, etc. with none of these elements and the world becomes a boring place where you're better off dead.

And it will all be done under the banner of "Think of the children."

Exactly, it's just another bullshit way of implementing censorship and false-morality.

Hell, in general I dislike the anime style behind Lolicon, I'm far more into Western animation styles but it's stupid to request that false people (such as characters in a video game, manga, novel, movie, cartoon, etc.) be given rights equal or similar to those of actual human beings. THEY AREN'T REAL!

I just shot off a guy's head in a video game, he's nothing but pixels and code.

I just drew a naked guy with an unestablished age in this piece of paper, he's nothing but graphite and paper

I just wrote of a bank heist on a word document, it's nothing but pixels and code.

I would bet that its just people are lazy and feel powerless so fucking with someone elces life makes them feel powerful

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I'm going to bed but if you want to continue this discussion, just pm me. I think I'll play DeathSmiles when I get up. *smirk*

 

[The Lunatic]

So it is not as much the crime as the idea of the crime occuring in real life? Doesn't mean I should be jailed for my hentai collection.

I am getting off for tonight, since I've been arguing for 2 hours now, and I'm tired.

Technically, your child porn collection is illegal, in both the UK and the US.

 

[The Lunatic]

No one in this thread is a pedophile, and if someone is, I urge them to get their head examined. But we also don't believe an image of a character that has not existed, cannot exist, will not exist, and is not based on anything or anyone that does exist constitutes child pornography.

Paedophilia is the attraction to children, which you're clearly attracted to, otherwise you'd have regular old hentai rather than under age stuff, wouldn't you?

You get off on them being under age, I can't really see how that doesn't consist as being a paedophile.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

I wouldn't exactly call that messed up. Let's look at it objectively for a moment here:
Although these aren't images of real children, they are still images of children in what you could call a pornographic situation. Whether they are hand drawn scenes or photographs, they're still depicting the same (illegal) scenario.
Consider the laws on drink driving; whilst somebody can drive under the influence and safely reach home without even hurting a single living thing, they can still be arrested and fined because they could have hurt or even killed somebody. I believe this has been done as a similar kind of deterrent. The images he had could well have been a precursor to actual child pornography. After all, if you're perfectly content with looking at drawn children, photographed ones wouldn't be much of a step up...

I'm not arguing that it was necessarily right to fine him this amount or pursue the matter as they did. I'm simply pointing out that the connection they found isn't quite so ridiculous.

 

[EinTheCorgi]

So it is not as much the crime as the idea of the crime occuring in real life? Doesn't mean I should be jailed for my hentai collection.

I am getting off for tonight, since I've been arguing for 2 hours now, and I'm tired.

Technically, your child porn collection is illegal, in both the UK and the US.

canada ans the land down under to but the us law only supports pictures of real people like putting a little girls head on a grow womans body is illegal loli...ehh not so much

 

[The Lunatic]

If any of my collection was child porn, I could be, should be, and would be arrested. But it's not. It's all images of drawn characters, not based on any living organism, that has never, can never, and will never harm a living being.

Please look up the Pseudo-photograph law.

For the US.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C71.txt

Search for 18 USC Sec. 1466A.

You'll see quite clearly, that in the eyes of the law, it's child porn.

Paedophilia is the attraction to children, which you're clearly attracted to, otherwise you'd have regular old hentai rather than under age stuff, wouldn't you?

You get off on them being under age, I can't really see how that doesn't consist as being a paedophile.

I get off on hentai, whether or not they are percieved as being under age or not is irrelevent. I have never been sexually attracted to a real child, and never will be, and that is what is important.

Yeahh.... Given your posts in this thread, I can't say I believe you.

 

[EinTheCorgi]

I wouldn't exactly call that messed up. Let's look at it objectively for a moment here:
Although these aren't images of real children, they are still images of children in what you could call a pornographic situation. Whether they are hand drawn scenes or photographs, they're still depicting the same (illegal) scenario.
Consider the laws on drink driving; whilst somebody can drive under the influence and safely reach home without even hurting a single living thing, they can still be arrested and fined because they could have hurt or even killed somebody. I believe this has been done as a similar kind of deterrent. The images he had could well have been a precursor to actual child pornography. After all, if you're perfectly content with looking at drawn children, photographed ones wouldn't be much of a step up...

I'm not arguing that it was necessarily right to fine him this amount or pursue the matter as they did. I'm simply pointing out that the connection they found isn't quite so ridiculous.

The same can be said about video games.

 

[CCountZero]

Perhaps because it's a picture of a child in a pornographic situation? Real or not, that's going to look a hell of a lot like CP to the majority of people.

It looks like child porn, and the majority of the people are going to see things like that and count them as child porn.

Because Lolicon is depiction of that. Is it not?

Regular pornography is not illegal. The reason CP is illegal is because the child would be harmed/doesn't understand what it is doing etc. That is why CP is bad and illegal and regular porn isn't, on the other hand, drawing harms no one. The pictures that are drawn come from a pencil, not from an actual child being harmed.

While that is true, it's mearly just sugarcoating it..
Though I'd rather have people watch images than going out and abusing children.

Presto!

This is just another example of people using a law to suit a personal need which it was not designed to combat, all because they're uncomfortable with the subject matter.

Now, I'm not denying that CP is bad, and I'd certainly agree that Lolicon and similliar is... taboo, at best, but the way to deal with it is certainly not to fine people and/or lock them up.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

I wouldn't exactly call that messed up. Let's look at it objectively for a moment here:
Although these aren't images of real children, they are still images of children in what you could call a pornographic situation. Whether they are hand drawn scenes or photographs, they're still depicting the same (illegal) scenario.
Consider the laws on drink driving; whilst somebody can drive under the influence and safely reach home without even hurting a single living thing, they can still be arrested and fined because they could have hurt or even killed somebody. I believe this has been done as a similar kind of deterrent. The images he had could well have been a precursor to actual child pornography. After all, if you're perfectly content with looking at drawn children, photographed ones wouldn't be much of a step up...

I'm not arguing that it was necessarily right to fine him this amount or pursue the matter as they did. I'm simply pointing out that the connection they found isn't quite so ridiculous.

The same can be said about video games.

Then say the same about video games because I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[EinTheCorgi]

If any of my collection was child porn, I could be, should be, and would be arrested. But it's not. It's all images of drawn characters, not based on any living organism, that has never, can never, and will never harm a living being.

Please look up the Pseudo-photograph law.

For the US.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C71.txt

Search for 18 USC Sec. 1466A.

You'll see quite clearly, that in the eyes of the law, it's child porn.

Paedophilia is the attraction to children, which you're clearly attracted to, otherwise you'd have regular old hentai rather than under age stuff, wouldn't you?

You get off on them being under age, I can't really see how that doesn't consist as being a paedophile.

I get off on hentai, whether or not they are percieved as being under age or not is irrelevent. I have never been sexually attracted to a real child, and never will be, and that is what is important.

Yeahh.... Given your posts in this thread, I can't say I believe you.

Well well im just going to say this harassment is illegal in person and online...just something to think about.