Which fan-pairings do you hate, and why?

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You know, I was gonna say Sonic, and post a hilariously poorly drawn, slightly erotic picture featuring blue lines that appeared to be Sonic and orange lines which appeared to be Tails, but that's just too easy a target. Live & let live, I say.

I've never encountered any other "Pairings," though, so.... yeah. I don't know.
 

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I'm a Touhou fan, so I am a little bit overexposed to that kind of thing. It's kinda hard to not notice all that stuff going on even if you're not into romantic fanworks. Seriously, pick any two characters from those games. There's definitely a fanfic, a doujinshi or some fanart depicting them in a romantic relationship. I guess I no longer hate any ships for that reason. You learn to be tolerant when you are part of a huge fandom full of people that like somethng that you feel indifferent to.
Ooooooh yes! TouHou. Where everyone is gay, and Marisa is a master pimp. It actually is kind of funny when you realize exactly how much crack pairings there are.

OT: As for me, I really don't mind pairings with no basis/OC pairings PROVIDED THEY ARE HANDLED WELL!
I have read some fan fics about archenemies pairing up, and it actually seemed plausible because the writer took so much time to slowly turn their relationship around and did not rush straight to the love.

On the other hand when the writer just shoves two characters together with little or no justification, that I can't stand.
 

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I take it as he's still trying to work out his feelings for Naoto combined with his general ineptness around girls(haven't played Golden so I'll refrain from comment on those scenes). As for sneaking into the girls camp, that is a combination of peer pressure,him still being in a more fragile state after the whole shadow incident(which made him even more rash than usual),and Yosuke being a dick.Also while I really don't see it that often I assume that he can get a nosebleed from seeing the guys,or as someone pointed out to me it could just be Atlus taking the piss.
That's the impression I got from it as well, also, it's not peer pressure if it's his idea in the first place, which it was, Yusuke teased him which made him want to do it, then Yusuke tried to stop him from doing it, and he does get nosebleeds several times, sometimes around both guys and girls wearing little, sometimes around women wearing little, in which case it's obvious who those second ones were meant for, and if it is Atlus taking the piss, there isn't really any indication of it.
It was his idea... to impress his peers. He didn't do it in order to check out girls; he went through with it in order to project the image he wanted in his social circle, because he's still not comfortable just being himself. What is that, if not peer pressure?

Naoto is boyish-looking enough that he's attracted to her at first glance. The discovery that she's a girl gives him some hope that he might really be straight: you can see this in his dialogue for the swimsuit competition. "Make me a man;" he says: he's hoping that if he still finds her attractive in a swimsuit, like a man's "supposed" to, it'll mean he isn't gay. Unfortunately we don't get to see if this would be the case.

I think the whole "that other me is me" at the end of his S.Link sort of clinches it, because "that other me" wasn't anything but a giant gay stereotype. It was concentrated, distorted reflection of everything he's trying to deny he feels and the fear of what he'll be if he accepts that part of himself.

OT: No real issue with shipping except when people passionately insist it's canon when it's not. I don't think your fantasy is cheapened by acknowledging that it's ambiguous at best, if not outright impossible, better luck in another universe.
Some standouts:
Kingdom Hearts is so full of ship that it could form an armada. My favorite crack idea is that Sora is gay but Riku is not, so Riku and Kairi get married and Sora becomes a drunk because his one true love left him for a woman.
I've seen some Anderson/Alucard stuff (Hellsing) which is just... no no no no no. That might be the single thing those two agree on: whoever ships them sexually needs to die.
The InuYasha fandom is pretty guilty of this as well. People, InuYasha and Sesshoumaru /hate/ each other. That's not repressed sexual tension: that's straight up "I hate you and want you dead."

I saw a Cracked.com article recently, "Top 5 baffling Christmas-themed Fanfics." The winner was an mpreg (male pregnancy) ship between Snape and Harry. Because that's completely possible, not even slightly creepy, and having your male characters knock each other up with no explanation of how the hell that works is totally acceptable and doesn't make me want to gargle bleach.
 

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Pairings that are considered by many to be 'canon', despite a romantic relationship not being implied, on the top of my head: Ichigo/Rukia (Bleach), Jill/Chris (Resident evil)...
Eh... I'm gonna disagree with you here.

Is it actual canon? No. It's not official. But you cannot say there's no implication of the potential for romance.
Especially not Resident Evil.

RE 1 on Jill's run, Wesker had to stop her from sprinting back outside to face the dogs because she believed Chris was out there. She didn't do that on Chris' run when Barry was missing. And during the end of both runs when Chris and Jill are reunited after the other gets locked away, there's much emotion there. In fact, they are the only characters who have hugged in such a way in the series. (Leon only kissed Ada that one time in RE 2 when she was "dying" though I don't remember if that's the canon part of the storyline or not... and the rest of their interaction is all hot and cold stuff.) Then there's RE: Revelations and RE 5.

Bleach with Ichigo is trickier because he's one of those Shounen heroes that's just really passionate and shit about his friends and people he cares about. But Bleach is also one of those shows where a character can get shipped with more than one person. So in the same vein people see Ichigo and Rukia--probably because of her rescue arc, they see Ichigo and Orihime--also because of her rescue arc. Same with that Senna girl in the first movie because off he went to rescue her ass too.

Now I'll say I'm not the type of person who insists things are straight up canon just because I ship. In fact, I ship because I think it might become canon in the future. And I see all of what I said possible. But I do have one that I ship more than the others. I just wouldn't ship them in the first place if I didn't see the possibilities.
 

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Lieju said:
Pairings that are considered by many to be 'canon', despite a romantic relationship not being implied, on the top of my head: Ichigo/Rukia (Bleach), Jill/Chris (Resident evil)...
Eh... I'm gonna disagree with you here.

Is it actual canon? No. It's not official. But you cannot say there's no implication of the potential for romance.
Especially not Resident Evil.
And if you want to see the potential for romance there (I just see close partnership), be my guest.

But I don't like it when people automatically assume that they MUST be a couple, because a woman and a man can't be just genuinely friends or colleagues, especially since a lot of people also complain that yaoi-fans make up connections where there is none, when it's the same.
 

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Hoo nelly, Young boy, sit down, take some tea and lets talk.
We're going to talk about pairings, and why they are hysterical.

Many shows, books, movies and games have gone by without any romantic closure between two prominent characters (I speak of a formal acknowledgement and acceptance of feelings or future dealings) and fans have taken it upon themselves to fill in the gaps in many ways, through discussion, fan art and fiction, and many other avenues.

Now the unsavory part, when two groups of people believing one line of thought clash with others believing other lines of thought. They yell at each other, they hurl insults laden with what they consider finite proof of their beloved 'pairings existence', they make it their life mission to tote their flag and burn the opposing teams flag.

In most cases this will die down with the original source in question losing popularity, or it finally closing the matter.

In other cases it will continue with some deluded mongoloids clinging onto the not chosen line for dear life.


And you know what? This is where the most delicious crack pairings, alternate paths, comics and art are born out of it which are utterly hilarious and enjoyable.
Yaoi and Yuri pairings that wouldn't happen in a million years are free to be made fun of and/or taken to heights where even the creators of the show suddenly start to see it.
Even those championing the original pairings start to see the funny side of it and come together in harmony to love and respect one another and just enjoy the absurdity of it all because NONE OF IT IS REAL AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON YOUR LIFE.



Congratulations you are now an adult fan and are allowed to post about your favorite false realities on the internet again.
Your line of thought is incredibly flawed and reeks of a 13 year old me. 10 years in being a casual observer in most 'fandoms' have taught me to see everything through 'funny-goggles' and see everyone's reasoning for liking what they like and even occasionally joining in for some fun.
 

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I'm not particularly against people drawing their fan-pairings, but I am pretty much against people trying to actually prove that people are meant to be together or that they could work as a canonical couple. It just creeps me right the fuck out. If I ever see another Zuko x Katara fan-shipping, it will be too soon. Even though I said I was fine with pictures, even that still depends on the material in question. I don't like seeing pictures of fan-ships that I don't think would work, nor do I like seeing fan-ships for certain series such as MLP (I just don't feel like there is any need for pairings), and One Piece. Especially One Piece, pretty much for the same reason as MLP, I just don't feel like romantic coupling has any place in One Piece, at least among the main cast, and I feel like it would be bothersome to the overall whimsical adventure-romance feeling that the show gives off. I will especially note that even if I was into shipping, I still wouldn't want to see any ships with Luffy or Zoro, because as far as Luffy is concerned, his only love is for meat, and Zoro's only love is for the blood of his enemies, his swords, and booze. They don't really seem like characters that are capable of pursuing a romance as their ambitions hold all of their attention, and their friends hold what's left over.

tl;dr I don't like shipping at all, but I am okay with simple pairing pictures so long as they aren't too out there, and I would prefer for them not to be explicit or overly romantic.
 

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One word: Valduggery. Val-fucking-duggery.

VALDUGGERY.

[small]OH GOD VALDUGGERY[/small][footnote]Mayhaps I should explain. Valduggery is the unholy fandom coupling of a five hundred year old skeleton and a 17 year old girl. Need I say more? Seriously, need I? Because I have a metric fuckton to say, which I can and will spew forth at the slightest urging. Going on. I dare you.[/footnote]
 

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KiloFox said:
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i'm not a big fan of Ike/Soren from Fire Emblem Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn...

i just don't see Ike that way, or really WANT him to be with Soren. granted there's a strong connection between the two, but i see it as immense loyalty and respect between the two. i LOVE Soren and i just don't like the pairing (sexually anyway) between him and Ike the musclehead.
Totally agree. Apparently two men cannot be close friends without being lovers. It makes much more sense anyway. Soren is too professional to get involved in that sort of thing.
well yeah there IS the whole "2 men can't show emotion to each other without being shipped by yaoi fangirls" aspect, but i could care less about that implication. hell, if *I* lived in Tellius (that Fire Emblem's land). i would TOTALLY try and hook up with Soren. (even if i was Laguz and that meant losing the ability to shift. which would suck. but Soren? WORTH IT [actually that only happens once a kid is made now i think about it... so it wouldn't matter since i'm male... still, you get my point])
i guess the main reason i don't like the pairing is because *I* want Soren.
Hahaha, nice. Yeah, Well I can't argue that Soren isn't awesome. While I don't exactly want him as a lover, I think he would make for an awesome companion and friend, seeing how we're both reserved bookish types.
 

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As a general rule of thumb, if the original creator didn't write it, or at least approve it, it has never happened. If the creator of the source material didn't officially make two characters a couple, they are not a couple. "Ship Tease," as they call it, also does not necessarily mean they are a couple. If something is implied, you need to acknowledge that it is implied, and not explicitly stated.

I dislike it when anyone seriously supports any non-canon pairing. It doesn't matter what your "one true pairing" is. It only matters what the original creator intended. As much as you like your yuri or yaoi fan pairings, they will likely not happen and should never be taken seriously or as fact unless they do.

However, in a game where there are multiple romantic interests, such as Mass Effect or Katawa Shoujo, this debate is a bit more legitimate, but there is no such thing as "one true pairing" in those circumstances. If you like to romance Liara, that's your preference. It's is not necessarily the way that it is meant to be. There is no ideal pairing, no matter what you think.
 

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Matt Ward x Marneus Calgar.
Matt Ward is the lover of Rowboat Girlyman Rawbutt Jellyman Robot Gorillaman Roboute Guilliman.

But to be serious, I despise fanfiction's fanatacism with pairings.
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Beffudled Sheep said:
hazabaza1 said:
Nanako+P4 Protagonist
They're cousins for fuck's sake! Keep that creepy shit out of my weird... japanese...
alright, fair enough, but I'll still complain.
Cousin marriage is seen as normal and acceptable in many cultures worldwide and there is little increase in risk for genetic issues among first cousins. There is no reason to complain and there is nothing creepy about it.
Yes there is.
My reason is because I find it fucking creepy.

As I see it, cousins shouldn't fuck, end of. That's enough reason for me to complain.
Ah the good old fashioned, "I hear you saying that there is actually nothing wrong with it, but I find it icky so damn the facts and sterilize the population of france!"

Now I realize I may have made that a little more dramatic than it had to be but I find it funny so...meh.

edit: oh yeah... OT: NarutoXsasuke is intolerable. The main plot of Naruto has nothing to do with the tailed beasts, the absolute majority of the plot is based on the love...square or whatever between the characters. This ship is the worst because it's created by people who (probably) like the manga/anime and still decide to throw everything in the trash and make up this ridiculous fantasy.

Also, when you make fanfiction where the characters are not behaving like they do in the source material, don't have the same relations between each other and aren't even in the same universe....just don't.
 

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Zorg Machine said:
hazabaza1 said:
Beffudled Sheep said:
hazabaza1 said:
Nanako+P4 Protagonist
They're cousins for fuck's sake! Keep that creepy shit out of my weird... japanese...
alright, fair enough, but I'll still complain.
Cousin marriage is seen as normal and acceptable in many cultures worldwide and there is little increase in risk for genetic issues among first cousins. There is no reason to complain and there is nothing creepy about it.
Yes there is.
My reason is because I find it fucking creepy.

As I see it, cousins shouldn't fuck, end of. That's enough reason for me to complain.
Ah the good old fashioned, "I hear you saying that there is actually nothing wrong with it, but I find it icky so damn the facts and sterilize the population of france!"

Now I realize I may have made that a little more dramatic than it had to be but I find it funny so...meh.
Your point?

When the world is completely ran by logic I'll take your opinion into consideration but until then cousins fucking is creepy and I don't like it.
 

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I'm bullet proof to most shipping nonsense.
My girl has a tendency to be weird like this and ship all sorts of stuff that just makes no sense at all.
I used to care.
Now I just laugh at her.
 

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SirPlindington said:
One word: Valduggery. Val-fucking-duggery.

VALDUGGERY.

[small]OH GOD VALDUGGERY[/small][footnote]Mayhaps I should explain. Valduggery is the unholy fandom coupling of a five hundred year old skeleton and a 17 year old girl. Need I say more? Seriously, need I? Because I have a metric fuckton to say, which I can and will spew forth at the slightest urging. Going on. I dare you.[/footnote]
Yes, please?

I don't know what fandom you're referencing. I am oh so curious.
 

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game-lover said:
SirPlindington said:
One word: Valduggery. Val-fucking-duggery.

VALDUGGERY.

[small]OH GOD VALDUGGERY[/small][footnote]Mayhaps I should explain. Valduggery is the unholy fandom coupling of a five hundred year old skeleton and a 17 year old girl. Need I say more? Seriously, need I? Because I have a metric fuckton to say, which I can and will spew forth at the slightest urging. Going on. I dare you.[/footnote]
Yes, please?

I don't know what fandom you're referencing. I am oh so curious.
Oh, sorry. Totally should've put that in. It's the Skulduggery Pleasant fandom, the name "Valduggery" coming from the name Skulduggery (the aforementioned skeleton) and Valkyrie (the aforementioned 17 year old). Are you requesting that I outline why it is such an incredibly horrible pairing? I wouldn't want to rant at you for no good reason.
 

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Honestly I don't see the problem. I don't do it myself, but I don't see it as hurting anybody. It's just another form of fan fiction.

Let people have their fun, just don't read it if you don't like it.
 

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Personally, I don't like any pairing that isn't made by the original creator(s) of a character. However, the one that irks me the most is Scar/Zira from the Lion King movies. I hate it even more than the disturbing Sonic fan pairings I've come across, only because I've seen it often and some people believe it's canon since Kovu looks similar to Scar and Zira seems to be obsessed with him. Even though it is stated in the movie that Scar isn't Kovu's dad, people STILL pair them up. Oh, that also means that Kovu/Kiara = incest.
 

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Zyxx said:
It was his idea... to impress his peers. He didn't do it in order to check out girls; he went through with it in order to project the image he wanted in his social circle, because he's still not comfortable just being himself. What is that, if not peer pressure?

Naoto is boyish-looking enough that he's attracted to her at first glance. The discovery that she's a girl gives him some hope that he might really be straight: you can see this in his dialogue for the swimsuit competition. "Make me a man;" he says: he's hoping that if he still finds her attractive in a swimsuit, like a man's "supposed" to, it'll mean he isn't gay. Unfortunately we don't get to see if this would be the case.

I think the whole "that other me is me" at the end of his S.Link sort of clinches it, because "that other me" wasn't anything but a giant gay stereotype. It was concentrated, distorted reflection of everything he's trying to deny he feels and the fear of what he'll be if he accepts that part of himself.

OT: I saw a Cracked.com article recently, "Top 5 baffling Christmas-themed Fanfics." The winner was an mpreg (male pregnancy) ship between Snape and Harry. Because that's completely possible, not even slightly creepy, and having your male characters knock each other up with no explanation of how the hell that works is totally acceptable and doesn't make me want to gargle bleach.
That is EXACTLY what peer pressure isn't, peer pressure is when your peers pressure you into doing something, nobody pressured him into doing what he did, they did the opposite and tried to convince him not to do what he was going to do.

I guess we read that bit at the end differently, I could have sworn he said "that other me is also me", referring to the fact that he was hiding behind a self imposed image, he's as gay as Yukiko is a lesbian, but nobody seems to remember that part where she waits for her "prince" and informs you that her "prince" is Chie, and what about Rise? Are we to assume she's a stripping show off when they clearly show she isn't? The shadows are NOT representations of the characters, they are repressed thoughts, Kanji thought he might be gay (because girls laughed at his hobbies and guys accepted the tough image of him) and couldn't accept that, that's why his shadow was gay, Yusuke cared about that liqueur store girl, but also wanted something interesting to happen, and the murders were certainly interesting, but he tried to ignore that over finding what happened to her, that's why his shadow didn't care for the girl at all, they are only repressed thoughts a person might have that they cannot accept, nothing more.

That Cracked article was fucked up though, how did they find these and why were they looking?
 

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Warachia said:
Zyxx said:
It was his idea... to impress his peers. He didn't do it in order to check out girls; he went through with it in order to project the image he wanted in his social circle, because he's still not comfortable just being himself. What is that, if not peer pressure?

Naoto is boyish-looking enough that he's attracted to her at first glance. The discovery that she's a girl gives him some hope that he might really be straight: you can see this in his dialogue for the swimsuit competition. "Make me a man;" he says: he's hoping that if he still finds her attractive in a swimsuit, like a man's "supposed" to, it'll mean he isn't gay. Unfortunately we don't get to see if this would be the case.

I think the whole "that other me is me" at the end of his S.Link sort of clinches it, because "that other me" wasn't anything but a giant gay stereotype. It was concentrated, distorted reflection of everything he's trying to deny he feels and the fear of what he'll be if he accepts that part of himself.

OT: I saw a Cracked.com article recently, "Top 5 baffling Christmas-themed Fanfics." The winner was an mpreg (male pregnancy) ship between Snape and Harry. Because that's completely possible, not even slightly creepy, and having your male characters knock each other up with no explanation of how the hell that works is totally acceptable and doesn't make me want to gargle bleach.
That is EXACTLY what peer pressure isn't, peer pressure is when your peers pressure you into doing something, nobody pressured him into doing what he did, they did the opposite and tried to convince him not to do what he was going to do.

I guess we read that bit at the end differently, I could have sworn he said "that other me is also me", referring to the fact that he was hiding behind a self imposed image, he's as gay as Yukiko is a lesbian, but nobody seems to remember that part where she waits for her "prince" and informs you that her "prince" is Chie, and what about Rise? Are we to assume she's a stripping show off when they clearly show she isn't? The shadows are NOT representations of the characters, they are repressed thoughts, Kanji thought he might be gay (because girls laughed at his hobbies and guys accepted the tough image of him) and couldn't accept that, that's why his shadow was gay, Yusuke cared about that liqueur store girl, but also wanted something interesting to happen, and the murders were certainly interesting, but he tried to ignore that over finding what happened to her, that's why his shadow didn't care for the girl at all, they are only repressed thoughts a person might have that they cannot accept, nothing more.

That Cracked article was fucked up though, how did they find these and why were they looking?
Self-imposed social pressure, then, if you don't like the "peer pressure" label.
I always thought of the Shadows and Personas as more significant aspects of their personality than simply repressed thoughts. I interpreted them as genuine parts of themselves that they couldn't accept; their shadows in the Jungian sense.
But we could argue interpretations of Persona all damn day; that's part of what makes the games so brilliant.

As for the Cracked article, they were looking because that's how they know suckers like you and I will read it to our inevitable detriment.

captcha: who is it? One of the tracks for Persona 4 is titled "Who's There?", so this feels appropriate