Which fan-pairings do you hate, and why?
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Are you referring to how she sometimes punches him? That's not abuse. That's just an extremely exaggerated form of slapstick humour. Pretty much every anime/manga has a female character that hits a male character whenever he does/says something stupid. You're not really supposed to take it at face value.The Tall Nerd said:
Yes she verbally abused him, just like Sasuke and Kakashi and Shikamaru and Choji and Kiba and Ino and so on. Sakura's wasn't the only one who insulted and belittled him. It's true that her comment about how Naruto was "lucky" to not have any parents was mean, but after Sasuke scolded her she learned her lesson. From then on she only got nicer and nicer to Naruto.
Also, what do you mean with the part about Sasuke's family? That he used it as an excuse for being a prick? That might be true now, but not back then. Back then Sasuke's anger and arrogance was somewhat justified.
This is true, but you must also remember that burdening Naruto like that was never Sakura's intention. That's why she spent two and a half years training in order not to be a burden to him. Also, Shikamaru isn't just talking about Sakura. He actually says that they've all been relying on Naruto too much.The Tall Nerd said:
Yes, Sakura's plan to kill Sasuke did invalidate Naruto's cause. However, she was simply doing what she thought was best for him. She wanted to relieve Naruto of the POAL as well as remove Sasuke's negative influence.The Tall Nerd said:
Also, Naruto never said that he didn't like her. He said that he hates people who lie to themselves, which means that he was angry with Sakura for not being honest with herself.
Furthermore, no one ever said that they didn't like Sakura. Kiba was pretty pissed about how she gassed him and Lee and Sai, but that's about it. They also never said that she should stay away from Naruto. In fact, there is absolutely no indication that Naruto harbors any sort of illwill towards Sakura.
Then I suggest you do the same.The Tall Nerd said:
It's okay. No worries.The Tall Nerd said:
Right back at ya.The Tall Nerd said:
Guts x Griffith pairing is also rather despised amongst the parts of the fandom that can think. Here's my usual reaction to seeing ANYTHING related to that pairing or to Casca x Griffith:dangoball said:Fun shipping is in Berserk though, since there is a buck load of evidence for any of it. Gutts x Griffith being a popular, albeit somewhat one-sided one. Now that I think about it, most Berserk shipping is one-sided. Griffith being gay for Gutts, Farensee (or how's that rich ***** called) having the hots for Gutts, our young witch having Daddy complex with Gutts (that's lots of Gutts, eh?), trolls enjoying teeny witches... Fun times
I realise freedom of speech and all that lovely jazz, but this is one of the few pairings (Aside from Griffith x Caska) that i oppose with the fury of a thousand suns. And believe that if anyone legitimately wants this pairing to happen, that i am fully within my right to deck them in the face if they ever do.
News Flash: Guts HATES griffith, they will NEVER be together. It is Not ok to pair them...infact, it will NEVER be ok to pair them (Unless you're in some parallel universe where Griffith never performed the sacrifice and actually tried to save Guts and Casca from being demon chow or something...). So what few members of the Berserk fandom there are, i have this to say and this one thing alone:
PLEASE STOP PAIRING GRIFFITH WITH CASCA AND GUTS, IT IS NEVER GOING TO BE COOL TO DO IT. SO STOP..NOW GO TO YOUR ROOM AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID!
I apologise for this outrage but...given how much i hate griffith after the eclipse, you can't blame my bias
Wait, wasn't Sakura the one that tried to defect to 'emowhathisface with the freaky eyes' multiple times?FallenMessiah88 said:
I remember my sister ranting about this, along with multiple characters being killed and someone who was dead being someone else with a mask.
I kinda stopped paying attention because it sounds like a soap opera.
His name is Sasuke and those eyes are called Sharingan.Ed130 said:
And yes, the first time was when Sasuke tried to leave the village but that was more out of desperation than anything. She was pretty much willing to say anything to make him stay.
The second time was merely a means to deceive him so that she could get close to him and off him.
As for the rest, yeah a lot of things have happened in this series. It's complicated.
sextus the crazy said:
Although I agree that a serious Soren/ Ike pairing is silly, I can understand why some people would think that. Given Soren's past and the fact he pretty much has NO friends (save maybe Stefan), it would make sense if he had feelings for anyone, it would be Ike. I read it as more of a "Grew up together and are practically brothers" type relationship though, but still, it makes more sense than two characters who have absolutely no interaction with each other what so ever.KiloFox said:
There's also Boyd and Mist, who are actually a canon pairing and I find that slightly more disturbing, because Mist looks too young (although it's possible she's not, I'm not sure of Mist's age).
I love how the show handles it though, Supernatural is the only show I've ever seen make fun of fan pairings the way they do. Unfortunately I tried to find the "Wincest" scene to use it as an example, but I only found fan made AMV's supporting the idea :/.Binnsyboy said:
While we're at it, Dean and Castiel also get on my nerves.
yeah, Soren seeing Ike as a brother defiantly makes sense, not an angle i really looked at but defiantly the most likely explanation. i actually gave Mist an A support with Rolf (since they seemed to have a strong connection in PoR) so i never saw the pairing with Boyd(she instead spent her whole life alone and happy), certainly a pairing that takes me by surprise, i'd much more expect Rolf and Mist to pair up. especially since they appear to be about the same age. (and at the same level, in the same chapter) Boyd never seemed to notice Mist in any of the non-support dialogue so i never thought to put them together.Eclipse Dragon said:
anyway, back away from Boyd X Mist and back on-topic. i don't think it's so much that Soren has no friends, but that he just dosn't care. he makes no attempt to be kind or sympathetic to anyone save Ike (who was the first and presumably only one to show sympathy to him) namely because everyone he encountered either loathed him, or simply ignored him because of his parentage. that kiind of treatment would cause him to develop a severe disdain for others that dosn't go away so easily. he only seems to act courteous when Ike tells him to. such as his shift from calling the Laguz "Sub-Humans" to calling them Laguz like Ike wanted. Stephan, if anything, was someone who, at first, called attention to that past pain and even went so far as to suggest that even Ike, the person he trusted most, would turn away from him if he knew the truth. (not EXPLICITLY stated, but it appears suggested in the support script for Soren and Stefan) a voice of concern, sure. but i wouldn't call him a friend. if anything, he seems more interested in bringing him back to the Branded colony to swell their numbers than helping him where he is now.
KiloFox said:
I also got the A support with Mist and Rolf because they did seemed the most likely, they came into the story at the same time, look the same age, and interact outside of support conversations.
You have a point about Stefan, but if anything that might just reinforce the Soren/Ike pairing in the mind of a determined shipper.
yeah i kinda realized that as i was writing it... but honestly, if you look at the support conversation script Ike's support with Lethe (they interact outside of supports too) in PoR at the A level is MUCH more suggestive of a pairing. and is set up perfectly for the classic shipping scenario. i'm not a big fan of the pairing, as it means Lethe would lose her awesome transforming power (pity she's nerfed in RD, but i prefer Ranulf anyway, and i prefer the Wolves over the Cats too) if they ever had a kid together. but honestly, it seems the likeliest of scenarios for Ike's pairing. i think he canonically has a kid at SOME point that appears in Fire Emblem Awakening, but i'm not 100% sure about that.Eclipse Dragon said:
So just because I don't view Sakura as the devil incarnate and have provided ample evidence to support that view, that means I'm lying to myself? Okay then.The Tall Nerd said:
But you're right though. This isn't getting us anywhere, so we should probably just break this off.
Good day to you as well.
All of them.
Special mention to these in particular: Indiana Jones and Voldemort, Captain Picard and Elrond, Sam and Dean Winchester (seriously, what the fuck), and Snape and the Teletubbies.
Special mention to these in particular: Indiana Jones and Voldemort, Captain Picard and Elrond, Sam and Dean Winchester (seriously, what the fuck), and Snape and the Teletubbies.
The hilarity of this statement is that in Ouran, the twins Hikaru and Kaoru actually profit in the anime from in universe shippers. It's their whole schtick. And boy do they play it up.Shoggoth2588 said:
I guess this is to say as far as Ouran Host Club goes, it's probably partially the anime's fault. Yes, we know full well they're faking, they let us know this and mock it oh so very much. But still...
Yeah, about that...you are aware that just as the characters relate to their arcana so too do their shadows represent the inverted arcana? Shadow Kanji embodies the Reversed Emperor, the meaning of which includes being weak, misleading and having corrupted intentions. In this case, the shadow capitalized on Kanji's confusion about Naoto which it exaggerated into - as you put it - a 'walking gay stereotype' stemming from his confusion after the encounter with her. As noted when his accepted of his shadow though, that confusion wasn't his true inner turmoil, it was a red herring brought about by the nature of the inverted arcana[footnote]Actually, come to think of it, most of the shadows are misleading to one extent or another when taken at face value. Despite appearances, Shadow Chie doesn't imply that Chie's a dominatrix, Shadow Naoto doesn't imply that Naoto's a transsexual, Shadow Rise doesn't imply that Rise's an exhibitionist, Shadow Yukiko doesn't imply that she's ready to jump someone, Shadow Teddie doesn't imply that Teddy's a nihilist, Shadow Yosuke doesn't imply that Yosuke's a hedonist...Shadows don't exactly have the best track record of being completely straightforward, which actually kinda makes it a bit weird that people seem to treat Shadow Kanji as the exception to that trend.[/footnote] and his confusion about Naoto, to say nothing of his own personal insecurities.UncleUlty said:
This kinda got long kinda fast, so I'm going to go ahead and spoiler the explanation for those who don't care enough to bother with it.
Amusingly enough though, Shadow Kanji's speech actually helps to reveal its inner nature. It expresses a preference for males, yes, but for social reasons, not sexual ones or matters of attraction. Its stated reasons for prefering them are - in no uncertain terms - that girls scare him because they make fun of his interests. In fact, let's review his initial conversation with Kanji, shall we?
It's easy to latch onto the two lines regarding his stated opinion of boys and girls, but the crux of the issue is found in the why following each respective statement, which rather strongly suggests that romance is not the true issue at play there. More support for this comes shortly after the battle, whereupon the shadow says - and I quote - "I DON'T CARE WHO! Won't someone...anyone,please accept me...? Accept me for who I am!" Driving the point home though, is Kanji himself as he accepts his shadow in that same scene, coming to terms with the nature he was repressing, describing it thusly: "It ain't a matter of guys and chicks. I'm just scared shitless of being rejected. I'm a total pansy who tries to make everyone hate me". That was his introspection as he accepted the shadow, the nature it represented. It capitalized on his confusion after meeting Naoto, yes, but that isn't the crux of the conflict. It's less about sex and more about the social stigma he sees in pursuing his hobbies, which in turn also becomes a central point in his social link, which largely focuses on him being comfortable sharing those hobbies with others.
In this regard Shadow Kanji kinda acts as a foil to Shadow Naoto, whose dialogue would imply Naoto to be a transsexual, but whose actions and (more importantly) the nature of Naoto's acceptance of it reveal that to be a trojan horse, not based on a male gender identity as much as the knowledge that her chosen occupation is male-dominated and that her image of an ideal detective is - consequentially - a male one, and the belief that others in the field would look down on her if they knew the truth about her. Like with Shadow Kanji, the reasons revealed to us are related to social norms rather than truly being a matter of sexual or gender identity. Are these issues a part of their characters? Yes, to one extent or another, but they're secondary issues. What both shadows reveal about the characters' true selves is how they rebel against social norms (or how they think society will treat them with regards to their hobbies).
Looking at it in a slightly different light, Kanji's interests generally aren't considered 'manly' (as noted by the shadow), and under many circumstances would actually lead to people portraying Kanji as effeminate and/or gay (also as noted by his shadow) simply for having those interests. They just fit in so well with gay stereotypes. That said, those interests are still a part of him, albeit one he typically isn't willing to show to anyone. He adopts a tough guy persona while hiding his softer side to appear more 'machismo'. As a repressed aspect of his personality, his shadow brings that to the forefront and actively embodies the stereotypes attributed to them, despite openly detesting those same stereotypes. Effectively, one could view it as embodying his fear of how others would view him if he ceased hiding the traits, which again touches on his fear of rejection.
This interpretation in turn ties in very well with his social link, which - again - focuses on his hobbies and his public face. Throughout it he is effectively encouraged to embrace his softer side, both by the protagonist, by the kid he helps and the kid's friends who not only accept his passion but were thrilled about it. This reaches its natural conclusion when he's confronted by the adults of the town who were all too happy to believe him to be the far more 'manly' stereotype of a bully, and that he was in fact bullying the kid. This culminates with him revealing his hobby to them (and - small town that it is - that meant the whole town would know soon enough), ultimately forsaking the easy route of maintaining the 'manly' stereotype by baring his softer side for rejection, and ultimately having that be accepted. This gives him a very well defined character arc, and that arc isn't about romance.
"Oh come now, enough with the charade. Isn't it awful to decieve people? To decieve yourself...? What's so bad about doing what I want to do? Oh how I hate girls...So arrogant and self-centered! They cry if you get angry, they gossip behind your back, they spread nasty lies...They look at me like I'm some...some disgusting THING and say that I'm a weirdo...laughing at me, all the while! 'You like to sew? What a queer!' 'Painting is so not you!' 'But you're a guy...' 'Why don't you act like a guy...' 'Why aren't you manly...' What does it mean to 'be a guy'? What does it mean to be 'manly'? Girls are so scary...Men are much better...they'd never say those awful disgusting things. Yes, I vastly prefer men..."
It's easy to latch onto the two lines regarding his stated opinion of boys and girls, but the crux of the issue is found in the why following each respective statement, which rather strongly suggests that romance is not the true issue at play there. More support for this comes shortly after the battle, whereupon the shadow says - and I quote - "I DON'T CARE WHO! Won't someone...anyone,please accept me...? Accept me for who I am!" Driving the point home though, is Kanji himself as he accepts his shadow in that same scene, coming to terms with the nature he was repressing, describing it thusly: "It ain't a matter of guys and chicks. I'm just scared shitless of being rejected. I'm a total pansy who tries to make everyone hate me". That was his introspection as he accepted the shadow, the nature it represented. It capitalized on his confusion after meeting Naoto, yes, but that isn't the crux of the conflict. It's less about sex and more about the social stigma he sees in pursuing his hobbies, which in turn also becomes a central point in his social link, which largely focuses on him being comfortable sharing those hobbies with others.
In this regard Shadow Kanji kinda acts as a foil to Shadow Naoto, whose dialogue would imply Naoto to be a transsexual, but whose actions and (more importantly) the nature of Naoto's acceptance of it reveal that to be a trojan horse, not based on a male gender identity as much as the knowledge that her chosen occupation is male-dominated and that her image of an ideal detective is - consequentially - a male one, and the belief that others in the field would look down on her if they knew the truth about her. Like with Shadow Kanji, the reasons revealed to us are related to social norms rather than truly being a matter of sexual or gender identity. Are these issues a part of their characters? Yes, to one extent or another, but they're secondary issues. What both shadows reveal about the characters' true selves is how they rebel against social norms (or how they think society will treat them with regards to their hobbies).
Looking at it in a slightly different light, Kanji's interests generally aren't considered 'manly' (as noted by the shadow), and under many circumstances would actually lead to people portraying Kanji as effeminate and/or gay (also as noted by his shadow) simply for having those interests. They just fit in so well with gay stereotypes. That said, those interests are still a part of him, albeit one he typically isn't willing to show to anyone. He adopts a tough guy persona while hiding his softer side to appear more 'machismo'. As a repressed aspect of his personality, his shadow brings that to the forefront and actively embodies the stereotypes attributed to them, despite openly detesting those same stereotypes. Effectively, one could view it as embodying his fear of how others would view him if he ceased hiding the traits, which again touches on his fear of rejection.
This interpretation in turn ties in very well with his social link, which - again - focuses on his hobbies and his public face. Throughout it he is effectively encouraged to embrace his softer side, both by the protagonist, by the kid he helps and the kid's friends who not only accept his passion but were thrilled about it. This reaches its natural conclusion when he's confronted by the adults of the town who were all too happy to believe him to be the far more 'manly' stereotype of a bully, and that he was in fact bullying the kid. This culminates with him revealing his hobby to them (and - small town that it is - that meant the whole town would know soon enough), ultimately forsaking the easy route of maintaining the 'manly' stereotype by baring his softer side for rejection, and ultimately having that be accepted. This gives him a very well defined character arc, and that arc isn't about romance.
Truth be told, there's less in the game about Kanji's sexuality than people tend to make there out to be. His subplot is really more about percieved gender roles than anything else.
Agreed, but I love how in the show they shut everything down if people think they are together... it breaks the fan-girls hearts. XDBinnsyboy said:
For me it is about two anime/VNs.
Clannad.
- Anything which is not Nagisa and Tomoya, why?
It's because they are the damn cannon... I do not recognize any other coupling.
(Especially the Tomoya and Sunohara one... I will beat the crap outta anyone for saying that.)
Little Busters.
- Anything which is not Riki and Kud... I mean, I already accepted them as the cannon couple since they have their own Visual Novel together.
(One couple I will not tolerate is the Masato and Kud one... nope, nope.... NOPE. That big muscle idiot cannot be with that cute little puppy girl.)
For me, the Zira/Scar pair counts as worst for me because there are many people who believe it's canon and will make stories around it even though it's stated in the movie that the pair did not exist. The pairing just frustrates me more than disgusts me.ForgottenPr0digy said: