Whiny Annoying Emo Effeminate JRPG Characters

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Therumancer

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Well I disagree that Video Games come from Japan in general. Unless your just talking about JRPGs where it becomes "duh". :p

*THAT* said guys like Rush from Last Remnant are annoying all on their own. It seems like you either have the "emos" or overly enthusiastic moron kids, with little middle ground. Let's be fair, these things are stereotypes of the genere, and this is coming from someone who plays and enjoys them. Truthfully while the game itself is good, it's rare when they write a really good main character. The supporting cast is usually better/less annoying with rare exception, and gives the games their personality.

Now I suspect that this is part of the genere because they want cardboard cut out protaganists that the players can identify with. Generic emo-ness or exploding over enthusiasm can be annoying but can be related to to an extent by the player base. To be honest Yuri's black costume (can't remember the name exactly, Dark Avenger or whatever) pretty much defines gothic emo-ness yet it's one of the most popular options for him.

As far as the androgynous protaganists, I think the idea is to create characters that can be identified with by both male and female gamers (as a lot of women DO play JRPGs). This way you have these meterosexuals that "could be you" even cross gender or are at least feminine enough to be attractive to a lot of women who are put off by overflowing testosterone.

As far as girl-boys, well I'm a JRPG player and honestly the first one that comes to mind is Vaan from Final Fantasy XII. Admittedly he managed to have a personality between the two extremes falling to the depths of both of them at times. But by the same token he looked and dressed like he should be the star of a gay porn movie based on Aladdin.

I thought Squall looked sort of like Boy George.

In FF IX Zidane looked very similar to the princess at times, and he again tended towards the other non-emo stereotype. Truthfully I enjoyed foth FF 8 and FF XII more than FF IX.

Then of course we have the guy Kaim from Lost Odyssey which is probably like the poster child for wrist-slitting Emo. "OMG, feel my pain from being an immortal with no memories". Just about every story from his past is at least slightly depressing, and the guy looks, dresses, and acts the part. I mean being immortal could be an upbeat thing, but this pretty much hit every emo-vampire, and Highlander (the TV series) "down" moment and condensed them into ultra concentrate and spewed it out with a protaganist and haircut that probably made a lot of Emos go "no, no, that's going just a wee bit too far". Lost Odyssey was a good game (don't get me wrong) but honestly... Kaim comes to mind as the poster child for JRPG emoness (there are many others, but I'd say he's the most obvious), and of course Vaan wins the prize for androgynous girl-boy (again there are others, but again he's probably the most obvious).

I talk about the overenthusiasm being just as bad of a stereotype as the emo thing. Frankly that one is a toss up between Rush and Tidus (Final Fantasy X), but I think Rush takes the prize.

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WillSimplyBe

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most JRPGs nowadays dont use turn based combat. the tales games, FF12, Star Ocean Games, Radiata Stories, just to name a few, have real time battle systems. Heck, the tales games and star ocean games have ALWAYS had active battle systems where fighting was all first hand, ever since their debut on the SNES.
 

LeonLethality

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I like you =3

Anyway yeah I agree for the mostpart BUT most games go for the characters to be that way, japanese customs are different than ours, so likeley the games will be too, and I gotta agree not all games have the angsty peoples, look at Kingdom Hearts, tell me Sora is angsty >.> whatever, not all jrpg haters hate them for that reason, but yeah... no more words
 

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I generally don't like the visual style or characaters or voice acting or etc etc etc in JRPG's/anime etc etc etc but I don't care enough about it to rant or discuss, I will register my personal dislike, not buy the games/anime etc etc etc and move on.
 

Therumancer

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More Fun To Compute said:
Any game character who isn't 8 feet tall with steroid abuse veins, short hair and an extremely low frequency voice is effeminate. It's the law.
Hmmm, well I think there is a definate middle ground between hyper-macho and meterosexual that is rarely reached.

Right now Hyper-Macho is not as annoying (though it is stereotypical) because in general it's been discouraged in the media by feminism or whatever for a very long time. Even on TV you need to have all of these fairly emotional guys who are one upped by women all the time.

Movies like "300", "Beowulf", and various video games have basically portrayed an image that is cool (for guys) yet generally considered politically incorrect or "wrong" by society. Unless of course it's a parody of the attitude through a character like "Duke Nukem".

Hyper-Macho (even a corny version) is hard to pull off correctly, I mean Game Informer makes fun of failed attempts at this all the time it seems. Max Cougar (from Bullet Witch), Jet Brody (Fracture) are examples. I know there was one so bad it eludes me that they cracked that you could cure cancer and if that was your name you'd still be pathetic. It's funny when game designers simply try too hard. :p

So yes, the grizzled Space Marine is going to become just as annoying, and is to some people already, but honestly I don't think the (serious) hyper-macho stereotype has been around in modern gaming long enough to become as annoying as the emotional childlike over enthusiasm, or wrist-slitting "so cool to be miserable" emo.
 

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WillSimplyBe said:
I dont know how this whole "Angsty Effeminate JRPG Character" stereotype got started, is it all to blame of FF7 and FF8? Are they the inspiration for it all? Because basically all other RPGs are contrary to the stereotype. So... yeah, most criticisms seem to be void of merit.
I think Yahtzee played a major role in stereotyping JRPG lead characters. Also, like you said, the game most people think of is Final Fantasy 7 and with that game comes Cloud, Vincent and Zach. If they bother to look a bit further it's Final Fantasy 8, i.e. Squall. After that people tend to stop looking.

But to be honest I really don't give a crap. A depressed lead character doesn't necessarily make for a bad character, and definitely not a bad story.
 

WillSimplyBe

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I think kaim reacts as to be expected given his circumstances, and not overly dark or brooding.

Anyway, I think a good point was put out with the middle-ground of characteristics in a character. Most jrpgs, and even most anime, usually have a hard and difficult balance between rather stupid, extremely happy-go-lucky characters with all the brain capacity of Spongebob Squarepants, and utterly angst ridden cynics. (I'm looking at you Luffi of one piece, at least in your translated dubbed version, I cant tell if your any less idiotic in the subtitled original)

Also, yeah, Lloyd is constantly pointed out that he isn't the smartest cookie, but that doesn't mean he isn't intelligent, he's just not book smart.

But in JRPGs, it would seem most aren't very emo, and still waiting for as-of-yet unspecified evidence of the contrary.

And yeah, just because they are rather emo doesn't make a bad game, as stated already, just look at Lost Odyssey.

Also, as for not girly, how about Vyce, from Skies of Arcadia? Guy's a pirate, for crying out loud.(one eyed too, if I remember correctly)
 

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Therumancer said:
So yes, the grizzled Space Marine is going to become just as annoying, and is to some people already, but honestly I don't think the (serious) hyper-macho stereotype has been around in modern gaming long enough to become as annoying as the emotional childlike over enthusiasm, or wrist-slitting "so cool to be miserable" emo.
I suppose that it depends on your background as to how you categorise the characters. My example was an extreme caricature that probably only Duke Nukem lives up to. I suppose that there is some axis of acceptable manly movie heroes to copy that goes from Han Solo to Conan. The Japanese didn't hear about this and still think that Luke Skywalker is an acceptable character template.

I can't really say what sort of tolerance people will have for certain things. I'm sure that as long as there are 14 year old boys with hormones raging through their bodies who are concerned about their masculinity that there will be a market for hyper masculine characters. Girls will carry on liking brooding "mother me" characters who care about their hair style. Hopefully some people will like less extreme characters and maybe some of them will like enthusiastic characters.
 

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I don't think that I would classify Cloud as emo, if we are going strictly by the original FF7 game (not the squeals or Advent Children.). He had actual problems and didn't try to play up the fact that he did have problems. Of course, since Square-Enix has decided to by a Release-o-Tron, they have been ruining the FF7 story with more useless back story and silly names (Yazoo, Kadaj, Loz?) It was only after they kept brutalizing the game universe that Cloud came out as emo and angsty.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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WillSimplyBe said:
Also, as for not girly, how about Vyce, from Skies of Arcadia? Guy's a pirate, for crying out loud.(one eyed too, if I remember correctly)
He doesn't have one eye, it's a targetting scope or something. But yeah, Vyse is an awesome JRPG lead.

I'm not fond of the "crouching moron, hidden badass" stereotype we get in Lloyd Irving and that idiot from Enchanted Arms myself.
 

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I've been saying stuff like this from the beginning. JRPG protagonists are all emo whiners? <url=http://ui10.gamespot.com/937/batenkaitosewandthelo_2.jpg>No, <url=http://images.absoluteanime.com/tales_of_symphonia/lloyd.jpg>they <url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/images/thumb/8/8c/KH_Sora.jpg/250px-KH_Sora.jpg>aren't. Effeminate? See previous three examples, and replace Kalas with Sagi if you like grasping at straws. Stereotypical? I just point to any given Tales game, or either Baten Kaitos. And that's all just looking at a single character.

I think the only criticism I've seen stick is the tendency towards implausible hairstyles, but even that has Final Fantasy VI and the Baten Kaitos games as exceptions.

And the less said about "turn-based combat," the better.
 

AbsoluteVirtue18

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The way I see it, emo means you're self-pitying and depressed for no reason. If there is a reason, then they are just depressed.

No reason = Emo
Reason = Depressed
 

WillSimplyBe

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Alright, well I guess that about sums it up, Idiotic, Ignorant, and FALSE stereotype. Case Closed!

[rabling]
Also, this thread somehow made me actually want to finish FF12... maybe if I always put Balthier, Ashe, and Bosch as my main members, I'll be able to forget they tried to make someone so not involved with any part of the story the main character, and I'll actually finish the darn thing. [/rambling]
 

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Hmm, I dont think there are any emo characters in FF7. You say Cloud but he doesnt actually say anything ever in that game, and with Vincent well... he has a lack of emotion rather than being part of a group that is named after it.
Cloud never says much because he's a traumatized schizophrenic. He's got as much right to be as depressed as Vincent given the amount of shit he's endured. Everything close to him is taken away in some violent act, he has little to no identity so he struggles to find some sort of meaning in his existence, the list goes on. Hell I'd be depressed too if I lost almost everything dear to me.
 

quack35

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Anyone who shows sadness in any game is automatically branded "emo".

That's just how it goes.