WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[thebakedpotato]

I never understood the friend zone. To me it always reaked of lack of confidence.

Rather than taking risks with new people you cling to them and hope Stockholm syndrome gets you laid.

 

[Frankster]

*scratches head*

Didn't really get the joke this week :/ At least not until i read other peoples post explaining it.

As i got nothing against non male non white protagonists im gonna assume rather then it being a case of me being part of the mocked demographic, its just me being dense and slow.

 

[thisbymaster]

but Zimmerman wasn't white...

 

[MoeMints]

What's the point of this again? If there's none, what's the joke?
Haha, there's a loud minority of white males who defend themselves by being ironically selfish and self-important, giving no one else an edge?

Its funny to me, but also just as lazy and yellow as the EVA comics.

 

[Frankster]

It just requires familiarity with certain types you might see arguing on certain topics. If you don't get into those discussions a lot or don't read them a lot then you'll likely miss the references.

Oh right, cheers for the explanation

 

[Azaraxzealot]

Well it's just lazy to make fun of white people. It's easy because of all the horrible things associated with them, but it's just plain lazy and a real cop-out in terms of writing.

I think it's rather insulting to white people to say they're the target. Those groups being mocked seem to be mostly white people, doesn't mean making fun of those groups is about making fun of white people. White people get mentioned because the sorts being mocked you will often see spouting "White males are the most discriminated against people ever". And I've seen several people speak to that effect with perfect seriousness. And if you question it they scream about how you must think there is never any discrimination against white people or males.

Well the name of the comic is straight-up "White Guy Defense Force", and it specifically has those guys defending "White Heterosexual Males". So... that's where I draw the conclusion that white people are the target, maybe more specifically white heterosexual males who are also running nerd culture, but it still boils down to just another "white people are stupid" joke. Like millions of other white people jokes before it.

Pssssst... he's mocking the defenders.

Did... did you think that the defenders were somehow the good guys? I don't understand.

Are you going to tell me that a comic lampooning the KKK is now mocking all white people? ;__;

Oh it had nothing to do with mocking the KKK, otherwise there would have been an overt physical reference in at least one of the characters.

It had all to do with mocking stereotypical white nerds who want everything to cater to their wants and needs and genuinely believe themselves to be discriminated for their race. And here's the thing, while they are deserving of mockery, it's just too easy a target, and at this point it's beating a dead horse. Contributors to the entertainment industry should focus on positive change, not low-brow mockery, because literally EVERYONE can and does do it on a regular basis.

No, I didn't think that the white guy defenders were at all meant to be portrayed as good and I don't know how that conclusion could ever be drawn logically. I just think it's lazy mockery on par with "dumb husband" commercial and Scary Movie levels of low-brow comedy.

Uh huh... so why did you make it out to be against white males in the first place if you recognized it was against a more specific set?

I'm saying that's what it comes down to in the end. At the end of the day it's another lazy variation "white people suck". Even if it is aimed at slightly more specific white people, it still furthers the stereotype that all people with blindingly reflective epidermis tones are like this. And I think it's lazy. I don't think it's abhorrent or that these people need defending, just that it's a joke that's already worn out by now. There are enough normal internet users that already mock them, we don't need contributors to our entertainment to sink to those levels.

Uh huh, so you're saying criticizing a certain group that is significantly white people furthers a stereotype that all white people are like that. So mocking the KKK is just another lazy version of "white people suck". Because apparently even though it's a specific set of white people, it somehow furthers a stereotype about all of them.

Well now that's a false equivalency logical fallacy. And besides, I never specifically stated that mocking specific groups of white people is equivalent to mocking all white people. I stated that mere mockery is too easy and lazy, and it boils down to basically another white people are stupid joke. See, with the KKK, they've actually killed people and brought genuine terror to the world, so mocking them, like mocking Nazi's, is still lazy, but it's a far cry from mocking all white people, because with them, it's not their race that matters, it's their actions. But still, because they're all white, that is, indeed, treated as more important than what they do. So yes, making fun of them DOES further the stereotypes about the KKK AND the Nazis, but it's not like they didn't work REALLY hard to have those stereotypes associated with them. Almost the same could be said of white guy defenders, but here's the thing, they don't actually hurt anyone, they're just god damn annoying. And while the KKK and Nazis deserve every nanogram of ridicule they can get, these white guy defenders just need to be ignored, because they're just full of impotent, harmless rage, we shouldn't focus so much attention on them, they get their power from being seen, and while the KKK and Nazis and Westboro Baptist Church certainly have that same ability, one will just quit when ignored, the others will actually make real life miserable and horrific for everyone until people pay attention to them again.

Our overall solution should not be mockery, but banhammers, ignoring, and blocking of these white guy defense force idiots. Because THAT will work, mocking them just draws attention to their actions.

 

[Moth_Monk]

Is the Son Zone a joke about the Oedipus Complex or am i missing some context for this joke?

The way I understood it was that the only interaction with the opposite sex the omega had was with his own mother.

 

[Ukomba]

That's a cool point. It's just too bad the comic never tried to make that point.

You certainly have the guy in the first panel being all reasonable in what he says, but that's how a straw-man works. You have one side make a point, and rather than have a reasoned respond to it, you set up the other-side do/say something that further makes your point. in this case, being against changing a characters race = murderous looser.

In order for it to be a strawman, there must first be an argument taking place. There isn't one here. It's a comic, not an op-ed.

What you have here is a parody of a certain attitude commonly espoused by certain subsets of white male internet subcultures. The purpose of this parody is to present the case that it is asinine to 'defend' white males from diversification, by showing that defense taken to absurd extremes by ridiculous, stereotypical caricatures.

Whether or not this is effective comedy is subjective, but that doesn't mean there isn't a point being made.

That's a cool point. It's just too bad the comic never tried to make that point.

You certainly have the guy in the first panel being all reasonable in what he says, but that's how a straw-man works. You have one side make a point, and rather than have a reasoned respond to it, you set up the other-side do/say something that further makes your point. in this case, being against changing a characters race = murderous looser.

In order for it to be a strawman, there must first be an argument taking place. There isn't one here. It's a comic, not an op-ed.

What you have here is a parody of a certain attitude commonly espoused by certain subsets of white male internet subcultures. The purpose of this parody is to present the case that it is asinine to 'defend' white males from diversification, by showing that defense taken to absurd extremes by ridiculous, stereotypical caricatures.

Whether or not this is effective comedy is subjective, but that doesn't mean there isn't a point being made.

Not really. You can easy make a straw-man out of a single picture, let alone a comic. The whole _____ = Hitler picture is a straw-man. It's not making an argument, it's just saying this person, or people who hold these views are essentially Nazi's.

The point of the comic is to equate people with certain points of view with these over reacting losers. It's an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. Straw men are never two sided conversations, that's THE POINT of a straw-man. They act as your opponents position and let you beat it up. You can make a strawman argument to someone you're arguing with, but that just tends to end with them saying, 'you're miss representing my point of view'.

Another problem I have, is in an effort to show just how despicable and loserly these people are, they drag innocent fandoms into the mix. 'Hey, people who like comic books are nerds and losers, so lets make them like comic books.' It's a tangential insult that doesn't have anything to do with the stated point.

As I stated in my edit

I get that interpretation, but if that's the true point it's getting lost in everything else. If they said maybe:

"Artistic vision in video games is safe for another day."

As they fly off, then that would at least bring if full circle back to that point.

 

[Moth_Monk]

but Zimmerman wasn't white...

There's a Michael Jackson joke here somewhere....

 

[major_chaos]

snip

See my edit to the post you quoted. There is zero point in continuing this discussion.

 

[klaynexas3]

Besides the Zimmerman part(he's hispanic, doesn't mean he can't be racist, but still, he wouldn't be in the white guy defense force(unless the joke is most stupid people think he's white anyway)), that was a pretty funny comic. Much better than some of the more recent ones. And inflammatory, I don't think you could strike any more chords here unless you made a comic making fun of people that bash on "booth babes" or one about thinking the XBone isn't horrible. Or that Phil Fish didn't deserve the massive amounts of shit he got.