WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[Something Amyss]

Trayvon was suspended during that time. Wouldn't be making friends at the school.

Of course! And since school is the only place you can ever make friends, especially as a teen!

Not only that, but iyts nice to know your entire evidence is:

"Well, they didn't say his friend in the area DIDN'T exist."

They didn't address the issue you claimed to be demonstrating, period. But I'm glad you're so quick to lie about me. Makes it easier to walk away from this convo. I don't have time to be lied to or about.

 

[Efrath]

I think the fact that this has already hit over 500 comments shows just how right Grey and Cory are here. Yes it's blatantly absurd but that's often at the heart of satire, and as for whether or not it was well done or accurate is open to your own interpretation.

It's the fact that this comic got so much attention as opposed to so many topics on other issues like race or gender. And yes this was designed to be particularly inflammatory, but even then it's central premise is that "there are white dudes that act like dicks about race/gender while pretending they're the ones being discriminated against". Is that really so damn hard to agree with?

I think the thing that annoys some or a lot of people is that the comic basically is portraying an attitude seemingly common in most debates. Fact of the matter is, people are dicks, no matter their race and gender. When it comes to debates regarding gender and race however, being a white male debating on the "Other side" usually leads to people immediately dismissing your claims, points and so forth solely because of your gender and race.

Which I personally think is quite ironic really and furthermore, it does mean that yes, discrimination happens on both sides. Being a minority doesn't magically make any forth of racism nor sexism any more right than that of the majority and to pardon such behaviour would really just lead to further gaps between genders and races rather than uniting them.

Or maybe I'm just crazy for thinking that dismissing someone based on their gender sorta makes it difficult for said opposition to accept your ideas? Not to mention that feminism, just like any other ideology, is not perfect and I personally believe it's not healthy to make any ideology immune to criticism.

But yeah, in short, some peeps do get tired of having their opinions ignored and disregarded solely because of their race and gender and this comic sorta reflects that, hence why some get upset.

(Naturally, there are of course actual people whom are alike the guys in the comic, I wasn't trying to say that there aren't, just hoping to help bring some understanding why it upsets some, outside of those that are actually like that)

 

[Deathfish15]

Oh what the hell? What the hell is this comic? Seriously? You guys think this comic is accurate? That it's slinging hard truths? Are you really, by some unfathomable mental gymnastics, able to rationalize it as anything other than a strawman argument based on offensive stereotypes?

And for fuck's sake, stop bringing up "euphoric". The quote that came from was a parody to begin with.

The problem is that the stereotype, singular, is a correct one. The stereotype is brought into a single focus of the self-proclaimed 'White Heterosexual Male Minority'. The group that takes up language and social lessons from Jersey Shore; proclaimed Zimmerman a hero for "taking down a criminal minority" (without facts, just one-sided pandering); that treat women as objects of sexual nature only; treats minorities as lower class racists against the "white minority"; and feels threatened from homosexuality.

That stereotype can be summed up as: The MTV viewers.

 

[Gizen]

Oooh, is this the strawman game? Please tell me its the strawman game.
[Strawman]

>New Game
>Load
>Options
>Exit

Yes! It is!

[Would you like to play?]
Damn right i would!

[snip]

I see your fake Shortpacked! comic and raise you a real one.

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I'll raise you a tumblr http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/

AND its Strawpacked tags http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/tagged/strawpacked ...

Yeah, I think the comic I linked is better than the ones you have, since it's clear just from a glance that you don't actually understand what a strawman argument is.

 

[lacktheknack]

Oh what the hell? What the hell is this comic? Seriously? You guys think this comic is accurate? That it's slinging hard truths? Are you really, by some unfathomable mental gymnastics, able to rationalize it as anything other than a strawman argument based on offensive stereotypes?

And for fuck's sake, stop bringing up "euphoric". The quote that came from was a parody to begin with.

Who said it was accurate and slinging hard truths? I've read the entire thread, but I started this morning so maybe I missed that part.

I'd say it takes a bit more mental gymnastics to think this comic was actually meant to be an argument as opposed to just mocking parody.

The comic is basically on the same level as this

Spoiler: Mod edit: Please add spoilers to your images!

I don't recall a calm and smart person in the comic.

For that matter, I don't recall there being any strong, controversial point beyond "white defenders are silly, let's point and laugh at them". You need a stronger (and two-sided) point to apply your comic's logic to it.

 

[Terminal Blue]

I think I put at least as much effort into this than the original comic. Maybe more.

"Guys, guys! This comic is trying to say that certain white guys derail discussions of privilege by appealing to an irrelevant sense of persecution or to a sense of personal authority in order to try and undermine or de-legitimate the opinions of others without actually countering their arguments!

You know what I'm going to do guys! I'm going to parody that comic by expressing a sense of irrelevant persecution, appealing to a presumed authority and trying to undermine or de-legitimate the opinions of others without actually countering their arguments! Irony shield activate!"

I think I put at least as much effort into this as your post. No wait, what the fuck am I saying. I didn't put any effort into that at all, because it was incredibly obvious.

 

[Gizen]

I don't recall a calm and smart person in the comic.

The black guy.

For that matter, I don't recall there being any strong, controversial point

The black guy is defending a loaded question.

Is he even defending it? More like he's retelling an anecdote of a time when he asked the question and got an unsatisfactory answer.

 

[Abomination]

Jeez, I wake up to this.

For all the baiting the comic did it was nothing compared to the first 5 pages of passive aggressive baiting by posters.

So well done for rallying behind site content to mock others of an opposing point of view.

 

[lacktheknack]

Oh what the hell? What the hell is this comic? Seriously? You guys think this comic is accurate? That it's slinging hard truths? Are you really, by some unfathomable mental gymnastics, able to rationalize it as anything other than a strawman argument based on offensive stereotypes?

And for fuck's sake, stop bringing up "euphoric". The quote that came from was a parody to begin with.

Who said it was accurate and slinging hard truths? I've read the entire thread, but I started this morning so maybe I missed that part.

I'd say it takes a bit more mental gymnastics to think this comic was actually meant to be an argument as opposed to just mocking parody.

The comic is basically on the same level as this

I don't recall a calm and smart person in the comic.

The black guy.

For that matter, I don't recall there being any strong, controversial point

The black guy is defending a loaded question.

He said one thing, did no actual defending, and then tried to leave. That's not a true counterpoint to the White Guy Defense Force stooges.

And you know as well as I do that the subject that the black guy was talking about was NOT the point of the comic. To imply it was is to be entirely disingenuous.

 

[The Random One]

So finally I've found the guy who ruined fedoras.

 

[Vegosiux]

So well done for rallying behind site content to mock others of an opposing point of view.

Eh don't worry. Creative freedom is not freedom from criticism, as his Sterlingness showed us just a few days ago.

Only that the more I read the thread the more it seems to me everyone forgot about Monday already. I'll stand by my initial "no strong feelings one way or the other", I think. It's more and more like a day at the bizarre bazaar around here.

 

[DarkRyter]

I thought I lost it at "Hey baby. You mirin?" but then I lost it again at Zimmerman mode activate.

 

[Abomination]

Jeez, I wake up to this.

For all the baiting the comic did it was nothing compared to the first 5 pages of passive aggressive baiting by posters.

So well done for rallying behind site content to mock others of an opposing point of view.

Well we're always fine with others of an opposing point of view being mocked. It's just that you don't share the opposing point of view. Just go on, keep discriminating against those poor people with other points of view.

I'm sorry, how am I discriminating against anyone?

I don't remember denying anyone a job or equal treatment, I don't remember being involved in the development process of any video games and I certainly do not remember mocking someone for having an opposing point of view.

So please elaborate how I am discriminating against anyone.

 

[Gizen]

Oh what the hell? What the hell is this comic? Seriously? You guys think this comic is accurate? That it's slinging hard truths? Are you really, by some unfathomable mental gymnastics, able to rationalize it as anything other than a strawman argument based on offensive stereotypes?

And for fuck's sake, stop bringing up "euphoric". The quote that came from was a parody to begin with.

Who said it was accurate and slinging hard truths? I've read the entire thread, but I started this morning so maybe I missed that part.

I'd say it takes a bit more mental gymnastics to think this comic was actually meant to be an argument as opposed to just mocking parody.

The comic is basically on the same level as this

So what, you lot are offended by a mocking comic and have to accuse it of making an argument when it's just mocking? You seem to have nothing to say about what I actually asked and posted.

It was making an argument in the first panel. Then it suddenly brings in straw opponents of that argument to mock. So it's exactly like the cartoon I just posted.

Okay so you're incredibly offended by it and lying about it.

It showed an argument. It did not make one against those people. There being an argument in it does not mean it is making that argument. The point of the comic does not seem to be about his argument, it seems to be to mock people who react poorly to it. Not by saying it actually represents them.

But please, keep insisting repeatedly. I'm sure you'll consistently fail to give a reason to think it was trying to present anything but a mockery.

I have you just insist I haven't. That seems to be a pattern with you. If after 3 or 4 posts you haven't convinced the person they're right you start getting condescending, nitpicky and more insistent .

Notice how unlike you I actually said something about the comic and what is in it. You just complain about me instead of replying to the refutation. WGDF ftw I guess?

I've already said something about the comic. That it paints one side as calm and reasonable and then has a bunch of opponents to that view who act like idiots who shout irrelevant crap. It's like a bad political cartoon (incidentally I got that image from an article about bad political cartoons).

Yes, it's pairing a straight man with some lunatics. That's a commonly used trope in comedy. The comic could instead have had two characters having an intellectual debate, but odds are that wouldn't have been very funny... And then the White Guy Defense Force would have shown up to shout nonsense anyways because the stereotypical people they're parodying are generally more focused on derailing the debate to keep it from happening at at all rather than actually arguing a point.

 

[kenu12345]

*gasps* Dear lord I read through every comment. Don't know if it was worth it or not but by george I did it. Gotta say I like this comment. Then again I usually understand satire than alot of people. It seems like to most people here the point just flew over their heads... or they ignored it so they can try to back their opinion

 

[Abomination]

Because you're fine with mocking people with an opposing point of view at other times. Oh and disliking them and all sorts of things =O

You're going to have to run that by me again as to when I've done that.

Because I can not recall a single instance.

But the question was "how am I discriminating against anyone?".

Please stay on topic.

 

[Scarecrow]

The level of buttfrustraion pleases me greatly. Also...I think more than half of the people completely missed the point of the joke, and become the exact people in the subject of the joke. It's like we've gone full circle and no longer have any self awareness, so we can only communicate in outraged, long and pointless forum posts, trying to deny that people will make fun of us.

 

[Terminal Blue]

It never mentions privilege.

What the fuck are you talking about dude, the entire thing is about privilege.

Nice projection. Neither comic was about countering opinions though. That's the point.

Do you see all the text in the first frame?

That is an opinion.

Do you see the examples of bad arguments in frames 4 5 and 6?

Those are attempts to derail that opinion.

Do you see your post?

That is also an attempt to derail the same opinion using roughly the same method.

I bet your costume isn't half as cool though.

 

[Terminal Blue]

So do I get my ban now, or later?

Nope. You just get a fabulous costume. You might have to wait in line though, there's a bit of a queue for them forming on this thread.

 

[Vegosiux]

So do I get my ban now, or later?

Later. Much later. It's actually an eight-strike-rule around here. (more if you lay low for a while!)

I'm starting to get increasingly intrigued about the imminent memetic status of this particular comic though. I wonder how long it will last.