WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[bunji]

Ahh. Eh, I guess I see it. But honestly, I think that might be because most of the jokes about other minorities on the internet are, for the most part, offensive or just not funny. And honestly, I think that all the advantages that white CIS gender males have in the real world, and please don't act like they don't have any...we all know they do, mockery on the internet seems like a small price to pay.

How about you actually read up on some stuff? Sure males have alot of privledges, but that comes at a price, like 93% of workplace deaths are males (i dont know how to source on the escapist), and dont come banging the glass ceiling without taking a look in the glass cellar.

In actuality, reality is alot more complex than just "white males are priviledged", but it still only okay to mock white men as much as you want, which is hypocrisy, because the people who do it in the next breath start banging on about equality.

Its ludicrous

Do you think that might be because white males are the people who make up most of the work force? Like if roles were reversed, and woman made up most of it, woman would have more workplace deaths?

Women comprised 46% of the total U.S. labor force and are projected to account for 47% of the labor force in 2016. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_the_American_workforce_is_female

So, lol nope, it has to do with the glass cellar, that I mentioned earlier. Men are just responsible for the shitty dangerous jobs.

 

[Shadowstar38]

And I brought up the drugs because the other poster thought Trayvon was on his way to see his friends. A bold faced lie when we know full well what Trayvon was doing. Trayvon didn't have any close friends in the area. He was brand new.

Sure. You somehow know exactly what he was planning on doing and that he didn't know anyone in the area. Wait...how?

 

[Gizen]

I honestly dont really care, but the sentence "if it doesnt matter, why not make him black" in itself is contradictory

Explain to me how. Note, the black man is not the one saying race doesn't matter, the person he initially spoke with in this anecdote is. If race doesn't matter, why can't it be different?

Hell, I'll give you an even simpler, kind of insulting example.

Man A walks into kitchen, sees Man B preparing to cook chicken for dinner.
Man A "Does it matter to you if we have chicken for dinner tonight?"
Man B "Not really."
Man A "Well then what if we had pasta instead?"
Man B "OMG CONTRADICTION!"

 

[bunji]

I honestly dont really care, but the sentence "if it doesnt matter, why not make him black" in itself is contradictory

Explain to me how. Note, the black man is not the one saying race doesn't matter, the person he initially spoke with in this anecdote is. If race doesn't matter, why can't it be different?

Hell, I'll give you an even simpler, kind of insulting example.

Man A walks into kitchen, sees Man B preparing to cook chicken for dinner.
Man A "Does it matter to you if we have chicken for dinner tonight?"
Man B "Not really."
Man A "Well then what if we had pasta instead?"
Man B "OMG CONTRADICTION!"

Ah youre actually right - when it comes to the comic. That doesnt make the (admittedly not true to the comic) sentence I wrote less hypocritical though. Also as I said, that is hardly the big issue here.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Had I been a woman or black and had an issue with a targeted comic, I would've been supported instantly, for no other reason than my appearance.

Thanks for explaining what I am thinking to me. Clearly the best person to know what my motivations and opinions are is an anonymous person on the internet who I've never met before. Bless you good sir.

 

[bunji]

Ahh. Eh, I guess I see it. But honestly, I think that might be because most of the jokes about other minorities on the internet are, for the most part, offensive or just not funny. And honestly, I think that all the advantages that white CIS gender males have in the real world, and please don't act like they don't have any...we all know they do, mockery on the internet seems like a small price to pay.

How about you actually read up on some stuff? Sure males have alot of privledges, but that comes at a price, like 93% of workplace deaths are males (i dont know how to source on the escapist), and dont come banging the glass ceiling without taking a look in the glass cellar.

Comes at a price suggests it's the actual reason for it. But really, taking dangerous jobs being the reason for the rest is a pretty sketchy argument and there's not much evidence being provided there.

Well educate yourself, im not here to spoonfeed people who has never seen the other side of the debate, I just wanna kick up a storm and laugh a bit. GirlWritesWHat on youtube is a good place to start though, if you are actually interested in having your ideas questioned.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Sorry but mocking the comic that this topic is about is not a derailment.

The comic is about white heterosexual guys who take personal offense to any discussion of inequality (in this case racism) and attempt to aggressively shut down the argument in lieu of actual engagement. That is something we call "derailment". Not quite in the same sense as derailing a thread by taking it off topic, but in terms of trying to shut down a whole area of discussion by engaging in overcompensatory attacks or appeals to personal authority (often hinging explicitly on the idea that other people's opinions or perception is less valid because of who they are, despite the fact that the whole argument is denying that such a idea).

Your response to the comic was to take personal offense to the fact that it was discussing inequality and attempt to shut down the discussion by engaging in overcompensatory attacks and appeals to personal authority which don't actually correspond to or answer the point in question.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Now you're displaying the other side of this issue; The fact that people take everything as offensively as possible, focusing on that and dismissing everything else.

Well, if you're willing to show me examples of people pulling a 180 after finding out their opponent is not a straight/white/male, perhaps I will pay attention to your other... "arguments".

I'm painting the issue with broad strokes, not saying how you would act specifically, although you do seem to confirm everything I'm saying.

You're not even representing the issue. None of this has anything to do with black people in video games. You've just turned this into a MRA discussion for some reason.

 

[Abomination]

Look there you go calling someone a hypocrite for an opposing viewpoint: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.828270-WHITE-GUY-DEFENSE-FORCE-GO?page=7#20149975

Identifying someone as a hypocrite is not discrimination.

Accusing people of passive aggressive baiting for an opposing opinion: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.828270-WHITE-GUY-DEFENSE-FORCE-GO?page=17#20152554

...but they WERE passive aggressively baiting. Half this thread is people passive aggressively baiting.

Mocking EN for his opposing opinion to get a rise out of him: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.828137-This-Equestria-Girls-bullcrap-has-to-stop#20144566

EN's opinions surrounding My Little Pony are considered the rants and ravings of someone who is incapable of putting things into perspective. This has been well established and agreed upon by the significant majority of the Escapist's denizens to the degree that there is a gif-meme that can be posted repeatedly with zero repercussions for those who do it.

You know as well as I do that EternalNothingness is an exception to multiple rules on this site.

Not at all mocking in your last statement there at the guy for his opposing viewpoint: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.827913-Is-it-really-an-issue-of-gender-equality?page=3#20144527

I was quoting his ad hominem attack and leaving the discussion. I do not see how that is mocking. Perhaps because I didn't spell it out one could view it that way.

Mocking people for opposing views, like actually having a standard of evidence: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.827913-Is-it-really-an-issue-of-gender-equality?page=3#20143568

The demand for evidence is not having a differing view, it's a tactic used all too often on this site when engaged in a discussion with someone else - demanding irrefutable evidence for a discussion of opinion. If I was mocking something I was mocking the method at which people argue, not the position they hold. The method at which someone argues is not their position or belief, it is their method of expressing. I am certain you can understand how someone's belief is something to defend and respect but their METHODS are ultimately where someone can and deserves to be judged upon.

Oh look strawman example of you mocking people with opposing viewpoints: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.827787-Draw-Harley-Quinn-Naked-Killing-Herself-To-Win-DC-Artist-Contest?page=6#20131299

It would be a strawman if it wasn't the exact thing that was happening in the thread - people completely ignoring the context of the discussion. Now, you've certainly got me mocking someone but here's the kicker - it's not discrimination.

But the question was "how am I discriminating against anyone?".

Yes, and I told you. "Just go on, keep discriminating against those poor people with other points of view." is where I used discriminating. Is it really that hard to remember that and notice that I then point out how you expect different treatment for different 'other points of view'? I don't think it's too much to ask.

Please read the topic. You are posting in it after all.

You do understand what "discrimination" means, right?

Edit: Fixing quote maze.

 

[bunji]

Ahh. Eh, I guess I see it. But honestly, I think that might be because most of the jokes about other minorities on the internet are, for the most part, offensive or just not funny. And honestly, I think that all the advantages that white CIS gender males have in the real world, and please don't act like they don't have any...we all know they do, mockery on the internet seems like a small price to pay.

How about you actually read up on some stuff? Sure males have alot of privledges, but that comes at a price, like 93% of workplace deaths are males (i dont know how to source on the escapist), and dont come banging the glass ceiling without taking a look in the glass cellar.

Comes at a price suggests it's the actual reason for it. But really, taking dangerous jobs being the reason for the rest is a pretty sketchy argument and there's not much evidence being provided there.

Well educate yourself, im not here to spoonfeed people who has never seen the other side of the debate, I just wanna kick up a storm and laugh a bit. GirlWritesWHat on youtube is a good place to start though, if you are actually interested in having your ideas questioned.

Okay so person makes sketchy claim, refers to youtube. Nuff said.

Heres a hint for future reference; the way something is delivered doesn't affect the validity of its claims - this is decided by sources cited and the internal logical structure.

 

[Shadowstar38]

And I brought up the drugs because the other poster thought Trayvon was on his way to see his friends. A bold faced lie when we know full well what Trayvon was doing. Trayvon didn't have any close friends in the area. He was brand new.

Sure. You somehow know exactly what he was planning on doing and that he didn't know anyone in the area. Wait...how?

No report ever mention him visiting a friend. Just buying the stuff and going home. In fact, the police would have found his local friends to create a timeline of what happened that night.

There was no friend. A friend would have stepped up to the police to help the investigation if that was true just like Jeantel did. All we have is Jeantel, who Trayvon was on the phone with. That's it. That's the only third party related to Trayvon there was: His girlfriend.

His texts were released, and it showed he was brand new to the area because his mother sent him to his father, because he was suspended from school. All his interactions with his friends were from the phone.

There is no evidence to support any claim that he was visiting anyone. There is only evidence he out to buy skittles and ice tea.

There is no evidence to support the existence of this imaginary friend. You might as well say he was on his way to talk to Jesus himself, Michael jackson's amusement park, or going to OJ's house. Because this imaginary friend is just as absurd as that.

No evidence, no friend.

But there's no evidence to support he doesn't exist.

Checkmate.

 

[neoontime]

Yay white knights!

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Aww, I actually found that one funny.
Ot but not really:
Never loose hope in a flame war if there's perfectly good paperboys to be sacrificed. Praise to the mods except in quenlinlom case of course. Seriously, that resubb was funny.

 

[bunji]

For future reference: I'd also expect people to back up their claims. Bit silly to complain about debate etiquette after ignoring it.

Well I didnt back it up becasue your first questioning really didnt cut it. "Comes at a price suggests it's the actual reason for it. But really, taking dangerous jobs being the reason for the rest is a pretty sketchy argument and there's not much evidence being provided there." Is what you wrote and I dont even know where to start. Do you really think I meant there was some kind of bartering system imposed here? Shill, please. Its just a figure of speech, with the entire argument meant to clue people in on the fact that the world isnt black and white

http://amptoons.com/blog/2007/03/05/workplace-deaths-are-overwhelmingly-male/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_the_American_workforce_is_female

And thats just the tip of the iceberg, but im not gonna go dig up the whole mountain to post on such a biased forum as the escapists. Thats why I suggested you go and find out how deep the rabbit hole is yourself, full well knowing that you wont.

 

[Scarecrow]

Ahh. Eh, I guess I see it. But honestly, I think that might be because most of the jokes about other minorities on the internet are, for the most part, offensive or just not funny. And honestly, I think that all the advantages that white CIS gender males have in the real world, and please don't act like they don't have any...we all know they do, mockery on the internet seems like a small price to pay.

So jokes about people who aren't white males are offensive but it's just fine to have what amounts to an open season on white males. Look, if you are fine with this comic for attacking white males then I would expect the same complacency for a comic that featured a starving black man who's food stamp card was hidden under his work boots. They are both offensive to a certain group of people and wrong but because one attacks white men it's suddenly ok? Either you are ok with inherently racist humor or you aren't which is it?

I don't think they are quite the same. An equal would be a black man getting angry about somebody eating fried chicken, or launching off into a needless rant about racial equality over something that doesn't matter or that has nothing to do with said equality. If that was the comic, I'd be fine with it.

 

[Abomination]

Sure. You complain that 'opposing viewpoints are being mocked' and do so yourself.

Of course I think you're probably purposefully missing the point to this, that you're not very honest in how you paint it with 'opposing view point'. Because apparently when you mock something it's not about 'opposing view points'. Only when people mock the views you favor.

Again, I mock the method, not the message.

Also, I am not the one who introduced the word "discrimination" into this - it was you. The whole point of this was brought up because you accused me of being discriminatory. Please highlight where I am being discriminatory - might do you well to explain how it is discriminatory as well.

 

[Shadowstar38]

The level of buttfrustraion pleases me greatly.

Kind of offtopic but butthurt makes some sense to describe someone getting bent out of shape over nothing, but buttfrustration just sounds like a euphemism for constipation.

I just think buttfrustion is more fun to say than butthurt. Don't ask me why...just has more of a ring to it.

What word do I use for someone who is sexually frustrated from not getting it in the butt?

 

[Scarecrow]

The level of buttfrustraion pleases me greatly.

Kind of offtopic but butthurt makes some sense to describe someone getting bent out of shape over nothing, but buttfrustration just sounds like a euphemism for constipation.

I just think buttfrustion is more fun to say than butthurt. Don't ask me why...just has more of a ring to it.

What word do I use for someone who is sexually frustrated from not getting it in the butt?

Butthorny? Buttlonging? Do those sound good? I like butthorny, personally.

 

[bunji]

The level of buttfrustraion pleases me greatly.

Kind of offtopic but butthurt makes some sense to describe someone getting bent out of shape over nothing, but buttfrustration just sounds like a euphemism for constipation.

I just think buttfrustion is more fun to say than butthurt. Don't ask me why...just has more of a ring to it.

What word do I use for someone who is sexually frustrated from not getting it in the butt?

Butthorny? Buttlonging? Do those sound good? I like butthorny, personally.

Im totally in favor of buttlonging.

 

[Scarecrow]

The level of buttfrustraion pleases me greatly.

Kind of offtopic but butthurt makes some sense to describe someone getting bent out of shape over nothing, but buttfrustration just sounds like a euphemism for constipation.

I just think buttfrustion is more fun to say than butthurt. Don't ask me why...just has more of a ring to it.

What word do I use for someone who is sexually frustrated from not getting it in the butt?

Butthorny? Buttlonging? Do those sound good? I like butthorny, personally.

Im totally in favor of buttlonging.

How many words can we put "butt" in front of to mean something? Butthurt, buttfrustrated, buttdevastated, butthorny, buttlonging, butthype, buttanticipating...anymore?

 

[bunji]

The level of buttfrustraion pleases me greatly.

Kind of offtopic but butthurt makes some sense to describe someone getting bent out of shape over nothing, but buttfrustration just sounds like a euphemism for constipation.

I just think buttfrustion is more fun to say than butthurt. Don't ask me why...just has more of a ring to it.

What word do I use for someone who is sexually frustrated from not getting it in the butt?

Butthorny? Buttlonging? Do those sound good? I like butthorny, personally.

Im totally in favor of buttlonging.

How many words can we put "butt" in front of to mean something? Butthurt, buttfrustrated, buttdevastated, butthorny, buttlonging, butthype, buttanticipating...anymore?

Offtopic, but Ive always been in favor of "asspained"