WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[lacktheknack]

NOW do you see why everyone got up in arms over Yahtzee's transsexual joke? Not so fun being made fun of, is it?

Actually, I think it's utterly hilarious.

 

[Dansrage]

Why is white people enslaving black people okay?

I never said it was and you avoided my question.

Why is racial profiling only Blacks and Hispanics okay?

I never said it was and you avoided my question.

Why is genocide okay if it's Jews?

I never said it was and you avoided my question. Also oh boy these fallacies, you're arguing on a pre-school level.

Oh and btw, it's not genocide for racial mixing to happen. The only ones concerned about that are racists. This is one of the most telling bits.

It is genocide if an ethnicity ceases to exist because of aggressive immigration. This isn't a natural process, people are being imported in huge numbers, a lot of them hostile to the host culture, as a means of social engineering.

You just put an importance on your race and want it to be distinct and separate.

So, it's also fine if Native Americans go extinct and are absorbed because their unique culture and ethnicity has no value, right?

Stop pretending your race owns these countries.

If cultures and ethnicity have no value, then why are you opposed to colonization at all? Surely if countries are just lines on a map it's fine if white people take over Africa, am I not correct? I mean, black people don't 'own' Africa, so why shouldn't white people become a majority in Africa and wipe out the natives through higher birth rates and mass immigration?

Let me ask you: Is it okay to feast on poor black immigrants in a cannibalistic orgy?

I never said it was and you avoided my question. Where did you even get that from? More fallacies, I'll make a neat list for you at the bottom of my post detailing your collection.

LOL. Women's rights, a white accomplishment. Not said by a racist at all.

So, who takes that one? The Arabs? No, they seem to still be stoning women for adultery, hmm. Maybe Asians? Nope, looks like the Chinese are still killing baby girls because they want sons. Wow this is problematic. Maybe Africans? Nope, looks like they have the highest rape rates of all the world, damn.

So here's my promised list of your logical fallacies:

Strawman: Misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

Loaded Question: Asking a question that has an assumption built into it so that it can't be answered without appearing guilty.

Tu Quoque: Avoiding having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser, answering criticism with criticism.

Appeal to Emotion: Manipulating an emotional response in place of a valid or compelling argument.

 

[Overquoted]

And it isn't discrimination for me to assume so.

If you assume something about somebody or treat somebody differently because of their race and/or gender it's discrimination. Just because they can prove you wrong afterwards doesn't mean you were not being discriminatory.

Things that count as "discrimination" using your definition.

[ul][li]Urinals.[/li]
[li]Hair care products[/li]
[li]Sun cream[/li]
[li]Medicine[/li]
[li]Science[/li][/ul]

Equality doesn't mean treating everyone exactly the same. If it did, we'd be giving pregnancy tests to men and forcing paraplegics to drag themselves up the stairs like everyone else. Equality is caring for people's unique needs in equal measure, as far as this is possible, and giving equal time to their views, assuming they're relevant.

Thank you. I could not, for the life of me, say that so clearly.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Shit, we've almost hit 1000.

I predicted a hot, predominately white ball of rage, but I didn't expect us to break 1000.

 

[generals3]

NOW do you see why everyone got up in arms over Yahtzee's transsexual joke? Not so fun being made fun of, is it?

Actually, I think it's utterly hilarious.

You two are missing the point entirely and comparing apples with oranges. There's a difference between an empty joke and badly conveyed message in a satirical comic. In Iron Man 2 they made a joke about Belgians and waffles, I laughed just like a lot of people in the cinema. I didn't get angry because it was a joke involving my country. The difference being that was just an empty joke thrown in there purely for comedy. This comic however clearly tries to criticize a behavior and thus send a message. This makes the joke loaded, and wrongly loaded at that. If Yahtzee's review was about transsexuals maybe you two would have point but it wasn't.

 

[Overquoted]

Most disturbing of all is the strange persistence in which the WMDF in equating all white males with the WMDF. This comic is parodying the WMDF, a subset of white males. It is not 'making fun of' white males, but this particular radical group. That much should be clear to anyone here, as much as the WMDF tries to conflate the two.

There is a problem though. If you look at the three WMDF guys what is the only characteristic they share? Being white males. For the rest they are clearly different. One is a Brony fat dude, the other a ladies man and than you have a hipster. Three different types of white dudes all being WMDF members... Doesn't really send the right message (mainly since no white men are on the "right" side of the equation). If all three WMDF members shared an other characteristic than just being white and male i'd agree (or there being a white male on the other side) but it isn't the case.

....Fat brony dudes are only white? Ladies' men are only white? Man, you'd better inform the Latin Lovers and Players of that.

But hipsters are predominantly white, you're right about that. But most white people are definitely not hipsters. *shudders*

He could have just as easily made them say...leering construction workers, embezzling CEOs or any other group that is derided for obnoxious behavior. But let's face it, bros, bronies and hipsters have their own subset of WGDF. That doesn't mean every bro, brony, hipster or white guy is a member of the WGDF. (Which has been pointed out about 200 times by now.)

I guess his mistake was not in making them all Fox News "journalists."

 

[lacktheknack]

NOW do you see why everyone got up in arms over Yahtzee's transsexual joke? Not so fun being made fun of, is it?

Actually, I think it's utterly hilarious.

You two are missing the point entirely and comparing apples with oranges. There's a difference between an empty joke and badly conveyed message in a satirical comic. In Iron Man 2 they made a joke about Belgians and waffles, I laughed just like a lot of people in the cinema. I didn't get angry because it was a joke involving my country. The difference being that was just an empty joke thrown in there purely for comedy. This comic however clearly tries to criticize a behavior and thus send a message. This makes the joke loaded, and wrongly loaded at that. If Yahtzee's review was about transsexuals maybe you two would have point but it wasn't.

So... the fact that I laughed at a loaded attack on me means that I'd likely be upset about the unloaded joke from the review if I was transsexual?

That's what I'm reading here.

And it makes no sense.

 

[generals3]

....Fat brony dudes are only white? Ladies' men are only white? Man, you'd better inform the Latin Lovers and Players of that.

Never said that. But being "White Guy ****" pretty much makes them all white in the comic? You seem to actually have missed the whole point of my post. The point is, and i'll repeat, is that the only characteristic they all share is being white dudes. There is way too much emphasis on the fact they're all white dudes.

 

[generals3]

So... the fact that I laughed at a loaded attack on me means that I'd likely be upset about the unloaded joke from the review if I was transsexual?

That's what I'm reading here.

And it makes no sense.

The point was simple: trying to find irony by comparing apples with oranges is silly. A loaded joke part of a comic trying to actually send a message is different from an empty joke thrown in purely for comic reasons. If Yahtzee's review was about transsexuals and wanted to send a message about it than it would have been comparable but it is not.

"NOW do you see why everyone got up in arms over Yahtzee's transsexual joke? Not so fun being made fun of, is it?" => Implies both cases are equivalent and the "fuss" is present for the same reasons. They're not, period.

 

[Farther than stars]

OK... Here are my two cents on the issue, to be lost in the whirlwind of complete nonsense.
Is racism bad? Yes. Is it fair to blame all of it on one person? No, that would essentially make him a scapegoat.
It already was legal to shoot people in Florida when you feel your life is being threatened. After all, Von Martin certainly wasn't 'just reaching for his bus pass'. Do I feel bad for him dying? Of course, but that doesn't mean I blame Zimmerman, who was acting within the parameters of the law to 'stand his ground'. In that sense, the court didn't set any precedence that wasn't already enshrined in law.
And I've only heard one journalist question the righteousness of that law and I don't think she was even American. Let's be honest here, if you have a legal system in which you allow armed vigilantes to patrol the streets at nights, then this kind of thing is going to happen. And let's not forget that this took place within a gated community, which by definition take a segregationist approach to society. But instead of focusing on these root issues of gun culture or social divides in the U.S., all the media are focused on Zimmerman and the court.
This is one of those rare cases in which both parties are right, but they're arguing with each other so fiercely that they can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[kklawm]

Wait is the guy with the yellow fedora yahtzee?

 

[Wintermute_v1legacy]

I'm a white guy under 30, I suppose this is aimed at guys my age, and I just don't get how this has nearly 1000 responses. I obviously don't get the whole joke, I don't even know who's this Zimmerman guy. And I didn't read a single response besides the "Shit, we've almost hit 1000" guy above me, so I hope it's almost 30 pages of rainbows, cats, unicorns and shit. I have a hunch it isn't, though.

Maybe the next comic should focus on angry internet men being raped by the dick of tumblr social justice. That would be pretty funny. (Yes, I'm in the "anything goes" camp)

 

[wAriot]

And it isn't discrimination for me to assume so.

If you assume something about somebody or treat somebody differently because of their race and/or gender it's discrimination. Just because they can prove you wrong afterwards doesn't mean you were not being discriminatory.

Things that count as "discrimination" using your definition.

[ul][li]Urinals.[/li]
[li]Hair care products[/li]
[li]Sun cream[/li]
[li]Medicine[/li]
[li]Science[/li][/ul]

Equality doesn't mean treating everyone exactly the same. If it did, we'd be giving pregnancy tests to men and forcing paraplegics to drag themselves up the stairs like everyone else. Equality is caring for people's unique needs in equal measure, as far as this is possible, and giving equal time to their views, assuming they're relevant.

Thank you. I could not, for the life of me, say that so clearly.

Off-topic, but urinals are actually considered discriminatory by quite a lot of people.
This world we live in...

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Wait is the guy with the yellow fedora yahtzee?

No. It's apparently some jerky guy for Reddit or something. I'm not 100% on that, but that's what I've heard.

Also, you don't see Yahtzee in his hat that much now[sub](ZP doesn't really count)[/sub].