WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[Imp_Emissary]

Wait is the guy with the yellow fedora yahtzee?

No. It's apparently some jerky guy for Reddit or something. I'm not 100% on that, but that's what I've heard.

Also, you don't see Yahtzee in his hat that much now[sub](ZP doesn't really count)[/sub].

Oh thanks, I thought it might be yahtzee, which would be a rather hilarious reference.

No problem. Nice to see someone asking questions about things that were actually in the comic. ;D

Have a good day. [sub][sub]To do that, D: GET OUT OF THIS THREAD! RUN!
I shouldn't even have come back here! [/sub][/sub]

 

[Overquoted]

Your point was that by including bronies, ladies' men and hipsters, Critical Miss was applying the WGDF trope to every white man.

To me, his point seemed to be more like "We have a fat, likely love-starved brony with a victim complex, a self-absorbed macho Casanova-wannabe and a fedora-wearing hipster who thinks he's above everyone. Their behavior is problematic because they exhibit victim complex, a disturbing level of arrogance and have their heads so far up their own asses that they're right back on their shoulders. Why is them all being male and white even relevant to all that?"

But well, that's how I understood it at least.

Yeah. I'm more or less getting some wires crossed. Lot of guys here (think there's one two posts above yours) who either say including bronies/hipsters/etc means CM was targeting white men in general, or that CM was painting bronies/etc with the WGDF brush.

In reality, CM was painting the WGDF with the brony/etc brush. Mocking them further.

 

[lacktheknack]

So... the fact that I laughed at a loaded attack on me means that I'd likely be upset about the unloaded joke from the review if I was transsexual?

That's what I'm reading here.

And it makes no sense.

The point was simple: trying to find irony by comparing apples with oranges is silly. A loaded joke part of a comic trying to actually send a message is different from an empty joke thrown in purely for comic reasons. If Yahtzee's review was about transsexuals and wanted to send a message about it than it would have been comparable but it is not.

"NOW do you see why everyone got up in arms over Yahtzee's transsexual joke? Not so fun being made fun of, is it?" => Implies both cases are equivalent and the "fuss" is present for the same reasons. They're not, period.

But all I said was "I thought this comic was funny, and I'm white".

Which was a direct response to someone saying that "This is why people got upset about Yahtzee's post-op transsexuals joke".

You know... to tell him it's likely not the issue at hand.

Why not take him to task instead of me?

 

[Overquoted]

If all WGDF's are white men...
And some bronies are WGDFs...
Are all white men and all bronies WGDFs?

This kind of question sometimes appears on IQ tests. Can you answer it correctly?

But like it or not he *specifically* named those groups in his comic, these aren't real people with casual items along with them, they've got specific identifying marks tying them to the groups. The art didn't fall onto the page when he opened his bag, it was willingly put there with intent. What was that intent? If you draw someone in a comic and draw a KKK hood on them are you implying nothing? Pretty much EVERY political comic ever made disagrees with your claim.

You...still don't get it.

If some bronies are white guys...
And some white guys are WGDF...
Are all bronies WGDF?

In other words, if you aren't WGDF, this comic doesn't apply to you. If you are white, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you. If you are brony, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you.

CM included bronies/hipsters/bros because they are generally regarded as obnoxious or amusing. CM was painting WGDF as extra-obnoxious/amusing. It was not painting these other groups as WGDF.

EDIT:
Your comparison to political cartoons would only be valid if CM had a comic where a convention of bronies waited until all the non-WGDF left (two guys) before then saying, "Let's get down to the real agenda," and then unveiling a powerpoint about the WGDF.

 

[Dansrage]

White people's culture.

What culture exactly covers all white skinned people of the world? By the time you add in everyone all over the world with white skin the only combined culture you have left is that they eat, sleep and defecate. Culture is usually classified using geography, for this very reason.

Well I wouldn't say there is a 'white culture' exactly, perhaps I shouldn't use that time, but the various white ethnicities, for example French, German, Swedish, Russian, Belgian, Irish, whatever you want, all have their own unique and rather fragile cultures and traditions I believe deserve to be preserved. Now, things change over time, don't mistake me for being opposed to change, and many old cultures have been lost to time, many an ethnicity has been lost, but we still remember and value them, we still teach their history and in a lot of cases preserve and admire their monuments.

his comes back to the question of: why do we value such things? Why do we preserve old monuments, why do we still celebrate old heroes and old events? Why celebrate the end of a war that is over, or a revolution that took place centuries ago? Because the accumulation of events and history makes up the identity of a country and it's people today, we are a product of the actions of our ancestors, their accomplishments and their failures.

I believe that importing immigrants who have no respect, or even contempt, for our history, culture, traditions and heritage, is inherently destructive.

Assuming that what you say is correct, then how would one go about stopping immigration? Would you enact a test, lower the immigration levels, or use some other way? I know that a great deal of American innovation is (was) the result of large-scale immigration of entrepreneurs and other talent, because this can be seen very heavily in startup businesses in silicon valley (I can try to find a source if necessary). The real question is whether or not you're talking about ending all immigration at all levels or if you want to specifically target unskilled/illegal immigration. I think that answering that question is a very important thing.

I respect what you say about identifying problems based on statistics about large groups (IE racial, social, etc.) in a given geographic area, but it seems to me that acknowledging those facts and forcing them against the American nature of the individual are constantly at odds. It is my believe that this is the biggest problem going on right now. Blacks commit more crime against whites than vice versa, as supported by the Department of Justice' findings. But is that the result of a different culture or more of a result of economic hardship left behind because of previous policies limiting their ability to climb the social and economic ladder.

In other words, I think the problem is more about the economic class and its ability to affect the outlook of people moreso than their ethnic background, at least in the United States of America. What are your thoughts?

Well my own personal take on immigration would actually be what it used to be, before 'mass' immigration became a thing. Firstly refugees and asylum seekers would be accepted, of course, I doubt any civilized society could deny them. Secondly I believe skilled immigration should be favored, if there are job openings, education openings, then if people have better prospects than in their home countries wherever that might be, I would welcome them, however not competing with natives for jobs is also important. Thirdly anyone choosing to be a permanent resident would have to pass language and history tests, prove they accept and wish to embody the values of their new home, and make a point of integrating. Too much immigration today is unskilled, en masse and by people who don't speak the language, couldn't care less about the values or culture and are simply looking for a meal ticket. For me it's less about race and all about intent, about what they plan to accomplish.
Does an Algerian family moving to France wish to become French, and raise their children as French citizens, or do they simply want to be an Algerian family living in France and reaping the benefits? The same goes for Mexicans, which is a big debate in the US right now, do they want to become Americans, or do they expect Americans to learn Spanish and send their earnings back to their family in Mexico?

On the subject of economic factors, it does play a part, but it seems to me that regardless of someone's social class they behave along the same lines. It's so disproportionate and so divided along racial lines that it becomes hard for me to draw any other conclusion.

 

[Jamz]

I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask for some sources on this; I certainly haven't heard of any of that happening (though I live in the US). Specifically, I'd like some proof that these are widespread, common occurrences, and not just isolated incidents. I really don't think there is as much minority-on-white violence as you say there is.

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas
Statistics don't lie. But the conclusions are up to the reader.

 

[Dansrage]

I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask for some sources on this; I certainly haven't heard of any of that happening (though I live in the US). Specifically, I'd like some proof that these are widespread, common occurrences, and not just isolated incidents. I really don't think there is as much minority-on-white violence as you say there is.

I can indeed provide some sources.

Be warned a lot of this material could be distressing.

Spoiler

Nigerian [50% Muslim] paedophile Opemipo Jaji was ?obsessed with little white girls?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3742876.ece

White British Schoolgirl's Testimony: Muslims Threaten Children With Violence & Rape Outside School Daily
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO1yN-eKjmo

Muslim rape-gang in Telford smuggled white girls through the back window of their takeaway because they didn?t want to be seen with white girls [1] & [2] and told them to ?suck my sweet chocolate cock?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3560382.ece
http://www.newstoday.co.uk/1575/2011/06/13-year-old-among-group-of-girls-pimped-out/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk3G8qGbMEU

Rotherham Muslim rape-gang member Umar Razaq called his victim a ?white *****?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327056/Gang-Asian-sexual-predators-jailed-grooming-girls-young-12.html

Oxford Muslim rape-gang ?exclusively wanted white girls to abuse?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2325185/The-Oxford-sex-ring-preachers-teach-young-Muslim-men-white-girls-cheap.html

Lebanese Muslims led by Bilal Skaf gang-raped white Australian girls, calling them ?Aussie Pigs?, telling them ?we?re going to fuck you Leb-style?, ?you deserve it because you?re Australian?, and asking them if ?Leb-cock tastes better than Aussie cock?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

France: African raped white women to "Fight racism."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iJGA79SbjA4

Iranian immigrant doctor who groped patients said ?Western women open their legs to easily?
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/online_archive/?name=Dr+Jahangir+Taghipour&sa=Search#results

Girl A in the Rochdale case ?was singled out because she was white?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9254232/Members-of-paedophile-gang-treated-victims-as-worthless.html

White Australian girls complain of constant racial-sexual harassment by Lebanese men.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/police-remain-clueless-in-cronulla/2006/01/29/1138469606720.html?page=fullpage

Group of Lebanese Muslim gang rapists from south-western Sydney hunted their victims on the basis of their ethnicity
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/13/1026185124700.html

Mufti Shahid Mehdi who said ?Women are not entitled to respect when they walk around without a Hijab. They are to blame when they are attacked? rapes a Danish woman, then accuses her of being racist.
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1932515.ece

Whitewashing
The editor-in-chief of the Swedish tabloid Expressen has already admitted[1] that the rumored practice of "White pixelization"[2]-the coloring of Brown or black accused criminals that are made to look White in media pictures?had been policy for years, until he said it would stop in 2010.
Google translations:
[1] https://tinyurl.com/n337j7a
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_pixelization&oldid=555849807
http://www.vdare.com/letters/a-reader-writes-on-riots-and-the-swedish-media-conspiracy-to-cover-up-and-whitewash-immigran
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lilla_Saltsj%C3%B6badsavtalet&oldid=556407018

All of these assaults, reports NRK, were carried out by "non-western immigrants to Norway."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7t5ZffkA0A

Norwegian MP: Blondes Dye Hair Dark to Avoid Harassment From Immigrants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXMpIbEDmpo
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4097

Muslim paedophile Azad Miah called his victims ?White Trash? [1] and said ?In My Country Age Doesn?t Matter? [2]
[1] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134050/Takeaway-boss-tried-recruit-girls-young-12-work-prostitutes-brothel.html
[2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144295/Police-missed-chances-bring-paedophile-takeaway-owner-justice-complaints-girls-young-12-acted-upon.html

Muslim immigrants interviewed in Sweden say ?It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl?
http://www.document.no/2010/08/sverige_valdtaget_land/

Pakistani who raped white girl told her ?this is how it is in my religion?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rPNO2BVT1NM

?Asian? men are 5 times more likely to be groomers than white men in Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2009455/Child-sex-study-Quarter-offenders-Asian-men.html

Racist Muslim gang attack in Bolton, called the victims ?white trash?
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/10384025.Student___s_shame_over_car_park_gang_attack/

Black rapist in France asked White women their nationality and religion before raping them.
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/il-agit-comme-un-predateur-12-01-2012-1807970.php
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2012/01/13/01016-20120113ARTFIG00570-appel-a-temoins-dans-l-affaire-du-violeur-en-serie-parisien.php
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/la-police-parisienne-traque-un-violeur-en-serie-12-01-2012-1807963.php

Saudi Muslim cleric says the 72 virgins in Paradise are white women with wide eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lhuMG1fbQ&feature=player_embedded

UK: Child sex abuse case concludes - (Muslim) foreigners pimping out young White British girls
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-22379414

UK: Oxford grooming ring was race-hate gang rape
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/carole-malone-oxford-grooming-ring-1896865
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-22379414

UK: 9 muslim men rape 631 white girls in 5 year period
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-05-08/uk-sex-ring/54845054/1
http://www.agi.it/english-version/world/elenco-notizie/201205091451-cro-ren1055-9_men_sentenced_for_rape_of_631_teenagers_over_5_years
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/9-men-sentenced-for-rape-of-631-teenage-girls-over-5-years/

Muslim rape-gang leader Shabir Ahmed said in court ?It?s not just them who are racist, we are racist too!? and blamed white community for not looking after girls
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9347252/Shabir-Ahmed-the-sex-gang-ringleader-who-blamed-white-community-for-not-looking-after-girls.html

Judge concludes ?You preyed on these girls because they were not part of your community or religion?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/you-preyed-on-girls-because-they-were-687987

Katie Taylor was groomed by Muslims who said they "couldn?t be seen with her because she was white?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2313610/I-stolen-sex-gang-Katie-Taylor-drugged-raped-years--endured-pregnancy-abortion--abducted-predatory-gang-aged-13.html

 

[Shingro]

If all WGDF's are white men...
And some bronies are WGDFs...
Are all white men and all bronies WGDFs?

This kind of question sometimes appears on IQ tests. Can you answer it correctly?

But like it or not he *specifically* named those groups in his comic, these aren't real people with casual items along with them, they've got specific identifying marks tying them to the groups. The art didn't fall onto the page when he opened his bag, it was willingly put there with intent. What was that intent? If you draw someone in a comic and draw a KKK hood on them are you implying nothing? Pretty much EVERY political comic ever made disagrees with your claim.

You...still don't get it.

If some bronies are white guys...
And some white guys are WGDF...
Are all bronies WGDF?

In other words, if you aren't WGDF, this comic doesn't apply to you. If you are white, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you. If you are brony, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you.

CM included bronies/hipsters/bros because they are generally regarded as obnoxious or amusing. CM was painting WGDF as extra-obnoxious/amusing. It was not painting these other groups as WGDF.

and you aren't even close to my question. He specifically made *effort* to call out those groups. Large or small, intent or not he did that. That is a thing he did. Again, that wasn't accidental, so what was his objective? What was he saying? If I draw a picture of you, and I add an Eeeeevil snidely whiplash mustache, do you think "Well shit that can't be me I have no mustache." Or do you go "Hey! I'm not evil like snidely whiplash!" You can't just jump the Fiction/reality bind to say this is just like catagorizing real people. These aren't actors, they're creations. They were *created* with these traits, and no matter how you spin it I can't see how that's not messed up.

 

[Sarcasmed]

Trayvon's first response to Zimmerman approaching him was to run, and then come back later to tackle him and slam his head against the pavement.
He was violent, belligerent, and a thug.

1. If he was such a "thug", why'd he run away in the first place?
2. If he came back intending to finish Zimmerman off, why was he unarmed? He could at least have picked up a stick, a glass bottle, or a rock off the street.
3. For that matter, if he was such a "thug", why was he unarmed in the first place?

Also, it should be noted that since his acquittal, Zimmerman has saved a family from an overturned SUV. Find the story here [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/23/family-saved-george-zimmerman-grateful-terrified-t/]. Make of that what you will.

He can pull a family from an overturned car but he couldn't get out from under an unarmed 17-year-old he outweighed by almost 100 pounds?

It doesn't matter if Trayvon ran away at first. The end result was that he ran back and started a fight. There was NOTHING justifiable or legal about Trayvon's actions once the punches were thrown.

The "17-year-old" was 6'2", 170lbs, and a football player. Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether Trayvon was armed or not, nor Trayvon's age. This was NOT some little kid. And in all likelihood, he been tried as an adult had he survived the encounter. You can try as much as you want to make it seem like Trayvon was innocent. But the fact of the matter is that he wasn't, under any circumstances.

 

[kklawm]

White American culture, specifically, is unfortunately considered the "normal" culture. The media portrays white Americans and their experiences as the "default," and all other cultures as the "other."

I've never seen that, I've seen people use 'western culture' meaning America and Europe, in a broad sense to include commercialism and capitalism and a distinctively preferred visual appearance (not flat faced), certain fashion statements (anti men wearing skirts) etc.

But never USA as the pinnacle of some mystical white man culture. But I live in Australia things might be different where you live. There is the portrayal of middle class white suburban that is so crassly pushed onto people as a Hollywood stereotype, but that isn't a culture or a realistic representation of a culture. And Hollywood films(as a culture) do A LOT of very questionable things, there's a certain problem I've always had with movies and their representation of women that is almost worth a thread (namely the lack of diverse or unique female personalities in films).

Statistics don't lie.

WHAT?! I know this has nothing to do with what I said but how in the world could anyone make such a statement? This is why I usually don't post, there's so much I don't agree with... Let's just say at the very least it is very very easy to 'cook' statistics to make them support ANY argument. They have to be the closest numbers and maths can be to lying without actually being outright wrong.

 

[Overquoted]

I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask for some sources on this; I certainly haven't heard of any of that happening (though I live in the US). Specifically, I'd like some proof that these are widespread, common occurrences, and not just isolated incidents. I really don't think there is as much minority-on-white violence as you say there is.

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas
Statistics don't lie. But the conclusions are up to the reader.

You pulled this from what is basically a Buzz contributor...and it was a 'study' by a known white supremacist group. Okay.

 

[Overquoted]

You...still don't get it.

If some bronies are white guys...
And some white guys are WGDF...
Are all bronies WGDF?

In other words, if you aren't WGDF, this comic doesn't apply to you. If you are white, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you. If you are brony, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you.

CM included bronies/hipsters/bros because they are generally regarded as obnoxious or amusing. CM was painting WGDF as extra-obnoxious/amusing. It was not painting these other groups as WGDF.

and you aren't even close to my question. He specifically made *effort* to call out those groups. Large or small, intent or not he did that. That is a thing he did. Again, that wasn't accidental, so what was his objective? What was he saying? If I draw a picture of you, and I add an Eeeeevil snidely whiplash mustache, do you think "Well shit that can't be me I have no mustache." Or do you go "Hey! I'm not evil like snidely whiplash!" You can't just jump the Fiction/reality bind to say this is just like catagorizing real people. These aren't actors, they're creations. They were *created* with these traits, and no matter how you spin it I can't see how that's not messed up.

*facepalms* Being labeled a brony/etc would make a lot of people cringe. So, he was saying the groups in general are obnoxious? And then he used this to make fun of the WGDF.

How do you not get this?

 

[generals3]

But all I said was "I thought this comic was funny, and I'm white".

Which was a direct response to someone saying that "This is why people got upset about Yahtzee's post-op transsexuals joke".

You know... to tell him it's likely not the issue at hand.

Why not take him to task instead of me?

Oh wait i see what went wrong. I thought you found the irony "hilarious" and not the comic itself. My apologies for the misunderstanding. (I took both of you actually because i thought you were both on the same page in a certain way. I thought you actually agreed with him and were laughing at the irony)

 

[Jamz]

White people's culture.

What culture exactly covers all white skinned people of the world? By the time you add in everyone all over the world with white skin the only combined culture you have left is that they eat, sleep and defecate. Culture is usually classified using geography, for this very reason.

Well I wouldn't say there is a 'white culture' exactly, perhaps I shouldn't use that time, but the various white ethnicities, for example French, German, Swedish, Russian, Belgian, Irish, whatever you want, all have their own unique and rather fragile cultures and traditions I believe deserve to be preserved. Now, things change over time, don't mistake me for being opposed to change, and many old cultures have been lost to time, many an ethnicity has been lost, but we still remember and value them, we still teach their history and in a lot of cases preserve and admire their monuments.

his comes back to the question of: why do we value such things? Why do we preserve old monuments, why do we still celebrate old heroes and old events? Why celebrate the end of a war that is over, or a revolution that took place centuries ago? Because the accumulation of events and history makes up the identity of a country and it's people today, we are a product of the actions of our ancestors, their accomplishments and their failures.

I believe that importing immigrants who have no respect, or even contempt, for our history, culture, traditions and heritage, is inherently destructive.

Assuming that what you say is correct, then how would one go about stopping immigration? Would you enact a test, lower the immigration levels, or use some other way? I know that a great deal of American innovation is (was) the result of large-scale immigration of entrepreneurs and other talent, because this can be seen very heavily in startup businesses in silicon valley (I can try to find a source if necessary). The real question is whether or not you're talking about ending all immigration at all levels or if you want to specifically target unskilled/illegal immigration. I think that answering that question is a very important thing.

I respect what you say about identifying problems based on statistics about large groups (IE racial, social, etc.) in a given geographic area, but it seems to me that acknowledging those facts and forcing them against the American nature of the individual are constantly at odds. It is my believe that this is the biggest problem going on right now. Blacks commit more crime against whites than vice versa, as supported by the Department of Justice' findings. But is that the result of a different culture or more of a result of economic hardship left behind because of previous policies limiting their ability to climb the social and economic ladder.

In other words, I think the problem is more about the economic class and its ability to affect the outlook of people moreso than their ethnic background, at least in the United States of America. What are your thoughts?

Well my own personal take on immigration would actually be what it used to be, before 'mass' immigration became a thing. Firstly refugees and asylum seekers would be accepted, of course, I doubt any civilized society could deny them. Secondly I believe skilled immigration should be favored, if there are job openings, education openings, then if people have better prospects than in their home countries wherever that might be, I would welcome them, however not competing with natives for jobs is also important. Thirdly anyone choosing to be a permanent resident would have to pass language and history tests, prove they accept and wish to embody the values of their new home, and make a point of integrating. Too much immigration today is unskilled, en masse and by people who don't speak the language, couldn't care less about the values or culture and are simply looking for a meal ticket. For me it's less about race and all about intent, about what they plan to accomplish.
Does an Algerian family moving to France wish to become French, and raise their children as French citizens, or do they simply want to be an Algerian family living in France and reaping the benefits? The same goes for Mexicans, which is a big debate in the US right now, do they want to become Americans, or do they expect Americans to learn Spanish and send their earnings back to their family in Mexico?

On the subject of economic factors, it does play a part, but it seems to me that regardless of someone's social class they behave along the same lines. It's so disproportionate and so divided along racial lines that it becomes hard for me to draw any other conclusion.

Well. I suppose the mass immigration of Turks into Germany after WWII has led to a lot of problems in modern Germany, but I'm not sure exactly to what degree.
I see what you're promoting and I agree with you in many ways, but I'm not sure if this method of execution is actually a reasonable way to go about it. Your first and second points I totally agree with. That being said, I believe that immigrant competition for employment is actually a good thing for the nation as a whole. I believe that healthy businesses need to compete for workers with the ability to get things done. Not every native is entitled to a job, especially when there are those who are willing to do a better job for the same wage. It's the same reason why I'm torn on affirmative action, but that's a separate conversation.

I agree that there's too much unskilled immigration, but I'm not sure how the problem can be remedied in a decent way. On the one hand, I don't really see an effective way to limit this unless there were tighter immigration restrictions put in place to prevent this, but I'm pretty sure that those regulations are pretty tight as is (I may be mistaken though. would like a 2nd opinion).

The language is another thing I'm torn on. On the one hand, it states that there will be no national language in the United States. But I don't speak Spanish and I'm not sure if I like its proliferation. That being said, I don't know if it's "right" for us to limit that. At the very least, I believe that it should not be helped along. But what exactly is "helping it along"? There must be some middle ground, but I don't know what/where that is.

Also, what the shit is up with all the censorship in these forums?

 

[Shingro]

You...still don't get it.

If some bronies are white guys...
And some white guys are WGDF...
Are all bronies WGDF?

In other words, if you aren't WGDF, this comic doesn't apply to you. If you are white, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you. If you are brony, but not WGDF, it does not apply to you.

CM included bronies/hipsters/bros because they are generally regarded as obnoxious or amusing. CM was painting WGDF as extra-obnoxious/amusing. It was not painting these other groups as WGDF.

and you aren't even close to my question. He specifically made *effort* to call out those groups. Large or small, intent or not he did that. That is a thing he did. Again, that wasn't accidental, so what was his objective? What was he saying? If I draw a picture of you, and I add an Eeeeevil snidely whiplash mustache, do you think "Well shit that can't be me I have no mustache." Or do you go "Hey! I'm not evil like snidely whiplash!" You can't just jump the Fiction/reality bind to say this is just like catagorizing real people. These aren't actors, they're creations. They were *created* with these traits, and no matter how you spin it I can't see how that's not messed up.

*facepalms* Being labeled a brony/etc would make a lot of people cringe. So, he was saying the groups in general are obnoxious? And then he used this to make fun of the WGDF.

How do you not get this?

I get it fine, I just have a different objection that you seem unwilling to address. Sure, being called a brony would make some people cringe. Is that right? Isn't that just an aversion fad like every other dumb thing people are 'supposed to hate?' Why not put one in a fursuit? Make one a politician, give one a french accent. The thin one could hold up a justin beiber poster. Those groups of course are not ALLOWED to be pissed being intentionally associated with the racist behavior of the WGDF in the comic right? I mean they're *about* as annoying, so why not just all throw them in the same pool, 'bronies are as bad as racists,' front line news. I bet it'd get plenty of "omg best comic ever" cheers too.

 

[lacktheknack]

But all I said was "I thought this comic was funny, and I'm white".

Which was a direct response to someone saying that "This is why people got upset about Yahtzee's post-op transsexuals joke".

You know... to tell him it's likely not the issue at hand.

Why not take him to task instead of me?

Oh wait i see what went wrong. I thought you found the irony "hilarious" and not the comic itself. My apologies for the misunderstanding. (I took both of you actually because i thought you were both on the same page in a certain way. I thought you actually agreed with him and were laughing at the irony)

Ah.



I should have worded that more clearly. Sorry!

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

I thought this comic was pretty funny, because this is a nerdy kinda site with a nerdy kinda author making fun of nerds.

Nerds have long lost the innocent, good guy kinda image from those 80's movies. Alot of us are just as douche as that alpha ranger, just without the imposing physical stature. Instead we wave around "facts" like an iron mace.