The British colonies went out of their way to exterminate the Native Americans, dude. In many cases they succeeded, wiping out entire groups of Indian bloodlines :/Father Time said:
White People are... Better?
- Thread starter Clearing the Eye
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While I usually enjoy debates about colonial history, there's a little too much white anglo bashing going on here, although i'm glad others have put some context into the history other than whites raping everyone else, which paints whites as evil while glossing over that every race is just as bad as each other, if circumstances were different if could have been any colour.
All I want to add that a good part of European globalisation was born out of the constant fighting between the nations, to some extent the rest of the world was viewed as something to exploit to get one up on it's neighbour.
All I want to add that a good part of European globalisation was born out of the constant fighting between the nations, to some extent the rest of the world was viewed as something to exploit to get one up on it's neighbour.
Eh. It's shady. The Romans were "white," but they were certainly darker than you'd think.Axolotl said:
Seriously, black and white are just way too broad. We should stop using them. Confusing, lol.
Well exactly, but often people try to claim that whoever the "victors" of the past are actually the same race as them, it's a weird kind of racial pride. White people seem to do it the most, hell, they even made jesus white.Clearing the Eye said:
If you are referring to why they are the best places to live now, it's because they destroyed the other nations and set them back hundreds of years. Think of africa, or my area of expertise specifically, the Congo. Before the Europeans got there, the inhabitants already had a fully functioning monarchy, a whole kingdom (the kingdom of the Kongo). It had a deep tradition of metal-working and many interesting inventions, but they did not have the same amount of rich resources that Europe enjoyed, and advanced at a slightly slower pace. They got destroyed when many countries pretended to be their friends, all the while undermining the Kongo king's influence and power until they toppled him.
they them proceeded to pillage the resources(rubber in this case) for the next 100 years. And now the nation is a mess, much of it's culture and technology lost forever. You will find this pattern in many "non-white" countries. All they need is time to catch up and repair the damage caused.
PS: have you ever played the game "civilization"? Try it some time, at least once you will find your nation crushed because you happened to spawn/settle on a bad location. Same idea.
Well, it worked, I guess. Too bad for the other guys >_>TrevHead said:
China really shot itself in the foot with how closed off they were (are). Japan embraced a more open door policy and they virtually went from pre-industrial to superpower in a few centuries. China's still quite advanced, but they censor and shy away from Western culture so much that the people suffer. The government is one of the worse examples of being stuck in the past. Sort of the opposite of Japan--easily top dog for a long, long time, to still powerful, but poverty stricken and no longer king of tech.
Jesus being white is one of the more gob smacking inventions of Western culture. I know why it happened--it's easier to relate to and sell a religion if the prophet loos like you--but it's kind of sad how many people today actually believe Jesus *was* white. Like... C'mon... Dude was born in the Middle East >_>Darkmantle said:
I love Civilization! Today I spawned in a desert with very little floodplain. Instantly restarted, lol.
The thing is the Northern European white guys were just hungry for conquest and land.Clearing the Eye said:
In the Ancient times there were three major civilizations who were the driving Scientific force, who everything we have today was built off of. There were probably more but fuck you these are the big guys I would say started everything.
The Egyptians, who are African/Arabic.
Mesopotamians, who were plain Arabic-ish.
And the Greek, who were I guess you could call them Mediterranean. Though they were ALL Mediterranean. The Greek/Romans weren't white though, they're Olive/Light Brown whatever Ethnicity you call that, probably Latino for the Latins and Slavic for the Greek these days.
The Irish/Norse were the white ones.
The Mesopotamian and Egyptians were wiped out over time because they made no effort to export their culture. And the Islams picked up the pieces and.. They didn't run, but they did a slow but steady power walk with them.
I was in the middle of writing up a summary of what happened in other parts of the world and their contributions to modern society.. But that got way too goddamn long.
But when it came down to it, each civilization has had a contribution. The Romans and Greeks took technologies and inspirations from everyone else in the world and refined them or archived them.
I remember reading a small thing, I really wish I could find it again, where it described every part of the Roman infantry's gear. Like, the Shields were originally Celtic in Origin, the Armour and Javelins was Germanic, Bracer-type things were Persian, the Greaves were Arabic, and about everything else was taken from the Greek. This is all they did, they were attempting a form of Globalization, except they did it in the wrong way trying to turn the whole world into Rome.
When Rome fell so did the entirety of Western Europe. Literacy and sciences went down the tube for a thousand years during the Dark Ages. People developed superstitions and weird stuff. The only thing they had going for them was the abundance of metals and food.
This is why stuff like Audits and Hearings and such things are common terms because for just a little under a thousand years, no one knew how to read or write.
The white guys didn't do a damn thing for a little under a thousand years other than trying to kill people for the lawd. It wasn't until they Seized an Islamic city and found, what the Islams considered a small Library, but to the Europeans it looked like:
http://lovelylisting.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/funny-real-estate-your-daily-bookcase-all-for-you.jpg
After that literacy slowly began to trickle back. And around the 18th century is when Literacy was in full swing again and they pretty much picked up where the Greek and Romans left off. World domination, Sciences, and Globalization.
So the moral of the story is:
If you want to be the very best. Kill everyone around you.
Elaborate because what you've just said is very generalised. Pretty much anyone who's ever had contact with the Native Americans tried to eliminate them, just by the time Americans got around to it, other nations were on more friendly terms. As for Indian, do you mean "Red Indians" linking on from your first point or do you mean the people from India because you've mentioned British colonies and since they were present in both areas it could be either.Clearing the Eye said:
Jack the Potato said:
Other Jack? Eyeball? Let's just agree that Humans Are Bastards and move on, 'kay?Clearing the Eye said:
OT I blame the English, and I choose 'English' as my answer for good reason. True, it's not really a fault of today, but it is with the old English empire that The New World was founded, where their principles were transferred into rougher locales and had to adapt to a less-refined way of life. This less-restrained way of life that eventually (which I say because of Puritans) evolved from them is where the American way of life does stem from at core. It's both the English desire to hold power over others along with the rebellious nature to answer to no one because we're the ones tilling this field, King George!
Historically, every war won and every territory or resource seized is because they want it badly enough. This seems to be the center of things here in the US. By god, YEARS obsessing over terrorism like you can make the idea go away and finally they root out the guy they wanted out of all of it. Crazy shit. They want it badly enough. That's the reason.
More like: knee-cap everyone around you, steal their shit and then kill them, lol.Bato said:
It's funny how much the Roman Empire gets mentioned in regard to Western culture and science. I think the Greeks did a lot more for what we consider the modern Western world. For a while they were almost an idyllic civilization, full of art, liberating government and proud people. But you know... people got jealous and fucked them pretty good :/
Actually the majority of the original historical advancements were taken from Egypt, the middle east, Persian and Mongol Empires. Almost all advancements in medicine pre-Greek/Roman Empire were done by the Egyptians and middle eastern countries, mainly because they used to record data and recipes which could be passed on and improved by scholars. At the same time however white people in Europe were uneducated and only really good at survival and conquering small territories which would unlikely remain in their control for long. The Romans and Greeks essentially just improved upon ground rules already set by Ancient Egypt and the middle eastern countries and made it more widespread.
After the fall of the roman empire the majority of "white" European countries were screwed up until the renaissance (mostly due to Christianity having almost complete control) where education, literacy and medical knowledge returned over time (which had previously been destroyed by the church or people became so uneducated over time that books were useless) and even then China had already discovered gun powder and were 100's of years ahead.
It is really only the past 400 years or so where White people have really taken control which is also due to the downfall and in-fighting in the middle east, Japan and China as well as the industrial revolution and the discovery of new countries which would be later colonised by mainly white people.
After the fall of the roman empire the majority of "white" European countries were screwed up until the renaissance (mostly due to Christianity having almost complete control) where education, literacy and medical knowledge returned over time (which had previously been destroyed by the church or people became so uneducated over time that books were useless) and even then China had already discovered gun powder and were 100's of years ahead.
It is really only the past 400 years or so where White people have really taken control which is also due to the downfall and in-fighting in the middle east, Japan and China as well as the industrial revolution and the discovery of new countries which would be later colonised by mainly white people.
the Empire of the Rising Sun had no civilians, all citizens were considered resources for the war, and at the disposal of the empire. near the end of the war people were being plucked off the streets and handed a rifle. at the time there were 2 choices, the bomb or a land invasion, in the event of a land invasion every man, woman and child would charge into battle and the invading armies would be forced to systematically exterminate the nation. the bomb did not just destroy two cities, it demolished the resolve of the empire, forcing surrender without the need for a far more bloody land invasion. the bomb saves lives.Clearing the Eye said:
Because they mean Caucasian.Darkmantle said:
Blue kinda colour is Caucasian areas.
As in place of origin it is certain a Caucasian place as an empire they took anyone as slaves and anyone can be a citizen so a valid argument could be made for being nothing.
Because the Spanish and French (maybe the Dutch, too?) butchered the Native Americans, it's less horrific how the early Americans slaughtered them? Not really, lol. It's the same with the English/Australians; we absolutely massacred the Aboriginal people, wiped entire family trees out and killed every single native person in Tasmania. Pretty fucked up.Blazing Steel said:
Europe is the ideal place for civilization to grow, for instance lots of flat arable land, rivers for transportation and water,ideal climates and more! European civs advanced at a faster rate because many of the basic needs other civilizations had to worry about we already taken care of by the area in which they lived. Also the constant warfare in this area plus the religious constraints that focused all the peoples efforts in one unquestionable direction led to societies that had to constantly advance to stay even with enemies/competitors.
It's a train wreck. I'm not some terrorist nut, but 9/11 and the various other attacks (such as in England and South-East Asia) pretty much ruined Greece. What do the Greeks export? Fuck all, lol. Besides tourism, they didn't have much bringing in money, so when the world went into lockdown, they suffered. Now, for the millionth time, Germany saves the Eurozone like a boss. Pretty amazing considering before WWII, Germany was a disaster and after it they were even worse off. Somehow they managed to get back on top in no time. Hard bastardsBato said:
