White People! Are you offended being called a "Cracka"?

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DEAD34345

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I wouldn't be "offended" as such, but only because I don't think there's a single thing any random person on the street could say to me that would offend me. It is a racist slur however, and assuming it's used as an actual insult (and not as a joke between friends or whatever) it's not any different from using the word "******". Discriminating people based on race is wrong, but the discrimination a person's ancestors may or may not have received doesn't come into that at all. A white person has as much right to not be discriminated against as a black person.
 

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CatBus said:
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I also mentioned the French and Russians. They're all "white" but you'd be a fool if you couldn't tell the difference between them.
Wow, just Wow.
Talk about bigoted and ignorant.
Are you saying it's bigoted and ignorant to be able to tell the difference between someone from France and someone from Russia?
I'm saying it's bigoted to claim that all members of any nation are the same and ignorant to claim you can tell them apart, the implication of your post was such. Or are you saying that you somehow intrinsically know that Thierry Henri is French and Stanislav Lebamba is Russian, from looks alone?
How about Mo Farah, you can tell he's English how exactly?
First off, LMFAO. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Good job confusing nationality with genetics there, chief. There are certain genetic predispositions perpetuated within societies. It's like the Swedish/Finnish etc have a large population of blondes. It's for no other reason than that is the defining trait within the gene pool so it is replicated most often.

Your examples are people who have drawn their genes from a foreign source but live in this country. Unless one of their parents was a national then they wouldn't inherit any traits commonly associated with their place of birth.

People are not unique little snowflakes. They're boring, mundane and infinitely repetitive.
Talk about missing the point, might want to work on your reading comprehension skills there friend.

Nationality has nothing to do with race, nothing, hell both are basically artificial constructs we invented to define ourselves (usually in reference to "foreigners"). Claiming that you can identify someone's "nationality", in fact claiming that you would be a "fool" not to be able to tell the difference between two "whites", one from France and one from Russia is what I took issue with. It's a broad generalisation revealing the ignorance of the poster.

Your assertion that there are geographically isolated, inherited traits common to people of a specific area is fine, claiming they are anything to do with nationality is however, rubbish.
 

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I'm sorry, but there is not a world where Cracka or Cracker could offend any white person. Right? I mean I'm pretty sure any of hear the word our minds do not jump to our skin colour but to delicious Saltine crackers. It's like calling someone Spaghetti.
I'm not the type of person who would be offended by it, but cracker or cracka was used to refer to the slave owner/employee who would crack the whip to get the slaves to work. "Cracking the whip." If anything it would imply that the one using the word thinks that a person is racist.
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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I'd imagine it's like "beaner" but for white people. I dun care either way but if it's not a slur then that's a double standard.
 

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i dont understand why the slur "pig-skin" or "piggie" never caught on it is more offensive and makes more sense since white people have complexions akin to pigs.
 

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I'm sure you're already aware of this, but in most of the examples you cited it's generally the case that the victims are enslaved by people of a similar skin colour (for example white Nazis force other, mostly white, people to work), so from a that point of view, it's not so easy to start lobbing racial insults at each other.
If you assume that the only ethnic differences are "White", "Black" and "Asian". In reality, there are hundreds (possibly thousands, I can't recall) of separate ethnic groups of wildly varying appearances and cultural heritage.

For example, Greeks would enslave Slavs (where the word comes from), Romans enslaved Germanics and Gauls, Egyptians enslaved Jews - these ethnicities all look similar, but are distinct from one-another for various reasons.
Sorry, I didn't express myself clearly enough. I apologise in advance for my excessive use of quotation marks; it's simply to express that "black" and "white" are artificial divisions which I don't consider to have biological significance.

I'm of course aware that "black" and "white" are both terms which describe hundreds of ethnic groups. What I'm trying to argue is that popular culture doesn't generally differentiate between them at a broad level, instead preferring these blanket terms. For example, I am Anglo-Saxon, and recognise that my ethnicity isn't exactly the same as a Slav's, or a Hispanic's. However, we are all "white". Likewise, different groups of people who are all generally conidered to be "black" don't claim to be one and the same. Or to take a different example outside of this debate, the Mapuche and the Quechua are entirely distinct ethnicities, but at the broadest level they'd both be called "Native American".

What I'm getting at is that it's harder for people to insult each other on racial terms when they're all of more or less the same skin tone (though not impossible, just look at the amount of racism shown to the Jews by other "whites"), whereas in the context of slavery in the USA, the simple fact that the oppresors and the oppressed had such differently coloured skin made it very easy to discriminate between them based purely on physical appearance.

There are two final points I'd like to make. Firstly, since the black/white divide is the most immediately relevant form of racism to US culture, and since it is precisely US culture which is most disseminated throughout the world through TV and cinema, it makes perfect sense that this issue should be more universally visible that other problems which rarely receive media attention outside their own country. Secondly, I would argue that the slavery you mentioned which was practised by the Romans, the ancient Egyptians, and during the Middle Ages, all happened so long ago that no one nowadays is likely feel a personal connection to them, so any racial conflicts which were involved back then become meaningless to anyone who doesn't study them academically.

Overall I'm not disagreeing with you. I think you made a valid point.
 

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Nope.
I've even been called a cracker, I almost chuckled. I didn't (Cause I thought I'd get punched if I didn't pretend to be dejected by it)
It's odd, it just doesn't carry any weight for me.
 

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CatBus said:
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Abomination said:
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Abomination said:
I also mentioned the French and Russians. They're all "white" but you'd be a fool if you couldn't tell the difference between them.
Wow, just Wow.
Talk about bigoted and ignorant.
Are you saying it's bigoted and ignorant to be able to tell the difference between someone from France and someone from Russia?
I'm saying it's bigoted to claim that all members of any nation are the same and ignorant to claim you can tell them apart, the implication of your post was such. Or are you saying that you somehow intrinsically know that Thierry Henri is French and Stanislav Lebamba is Russian, from looks alone?
How about Mo Farah, you can tell he's English how exactly?
First off, LMFAO. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Good job confusing nationality with genetics there, chief. There are certain genetic predispositions perpetuated within societies. It's like the Swedish/Finnish etc have a large population of blondes. It's for no other reason than that is the defining trait within the gene pool so it is replicated most often.

Your examples are people who have drawn their genes from a foreign source but live in this country. Unless one of their parents was a national then they wouldn't inherit any traits commonly associated with their place of birth.

People are not unique little snowflakes. They're boring, mundane and infinitely repetitive.
Talk about missing the point, might want to work on your reading comprehension skills there friend.

Nationality has nothing to do with race, nothing, hell both are basically artificial constructs we invented to define ourselves (usually in reference to "foreigners"). Claiming that you can identify someone's "nationality", in fact claiming that you would be a "fool" not to be able to tell the difference between two "whites", one from France and one from Russia is what I took issue with. It's a broad generalisation revealing the ignorance of the poster.

Your assertion that there are geographically isolated, inherited traits common to people of a specific area is fine, claiming they are anything to do with nationality is however, rubbish.
Obviously you can't read since that was the point I was making.
Then why quote and attack my point, if you're making the same one?
 

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It is one of my favorite words... And I am VERY white. But then again, I'm English. So have fun trying to offend me.
 

Malty Milk Whistle

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No, as I often try to crack wise so I take it as an encouragement. Using the topical word is like a nigga whipping himself.

Kinda related - is using the word ****** prohibited on this forum and that's why people use nigga? Which is still essentially the same.
This informative sketch will show you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NY1y1aggUA
God I love Boondocks.
OT: not really, get called it ALL the time by my friend. To be fair we take the piss outa each other a lot. Which can get awkward when her incredibly far left black power sister comes round.
I'm very familiar with the The Boondocks but that episode never clarified anything other than white people always being wrong, like with the PC name for coloured people - oops, I'm racist/insensitive again. Also, I don't acknowledge nigga as a different word but rather a bastardization caused by lacking education/pronounciation or regional accents. I just don't see how the africanized version is any less racist than the original. It would be like homos preferring themselves to be called fags.
Holy passive aggressiveness batman!
And like many things it depends on context and usage. One was used to oppress and be a dick, the other one is a reclamation of that word, and has come to be a synonym of brother.
But you already knew that. And there's a difference between being called homo and fag, but here is neither the time nor place for such a discussion.

Also, if that's what you took from the Boondocks, then most of it's humour went over your head.
 

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Yes, the work Cracker or Cracka' is offensive if the person it's being directed at knows the meaning. It's a swapped version of using the N-word to refer to a black person.

And now, the origins of the term.

Way back in U.S. history, a lot of white people ran plantations (big farms) by having a lot of black people work as slaves for them. Usually, the plantation owner would survey the work by walking around the area with a whip and slinging it at any worker who seemed to be slacking or just at anyone they felt like beating at the time. This action is called cracking the whip on someone. The phrase was later shortened in slang to calling anyone who did this a Cracker.

In short, calling someone a cracker is the same as calling them a slave driver.
 

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Terms like these and whether or not they offend someone has to be taken by a case by case basis. I am not personally offended by the term "cracka" or "honky," on the contrary I find them pretty funny. However, I wouldn't doubt that someone out there would take offence to them, so if someone does take offense to your language you have the choice to either respect how they feel or...not I guess.
 

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Smeatza said:
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No, I can't say I would. Especially seeing how my ancestors have never been systematically objectified, abused, and exploited for five centuries.
You're kind of missing the point then.
I'm not saying you should be offended by the word, but if refers to the cracking of a whip that a slave master would do.
So yeah the reason it's an insult is because your ancestors were (supposedly) performing the persecution. And use of the word cracker implies that you also do so, or condone it in some way.
In that case, I still don't feel it holds up.
I don't think an insult really works if it's trying to guilt someone in to feeling bad.
It'd be like trying to get your opponent to admit that they were wrong at the start of a heated argument.
 

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WaitWHAT said:
Considering that white people have never spent hundreds of years being enslaved and oppressed[footnote]Inb4 some white supremacist "proves" me "indisputably" wrong on this point[/footnote], there really isn't a white equivalent of the N-word which says "oh hey, I think you're utterly inferior and I wish I could put you back to work on my plantation".
Yes, but of course - thanks for clearing this up for me apparently my ancestors didn't spend five centuries being enslaved and oppressed [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_%28Ottoman_Empire%29], no that must have been something I fabricated in order to feel superior about my skin colour. Thank you for this revelation - I...I didn't know. I am sorry that until now I thought the word "giaour" was used by the Ottoman to refer in disdain to the white slaves and to remind them to know their place but apparently it was literally delusions of grandeur.

Honestly, go read some history, and THEN throw your snide remarks when you're sure, you aren't, you know, wrong or actually insulting. The world is a big place, you just showed you don't know it enough to try and preemptively insult people...while, in fact, insulting people at the same time.
 

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Altorin said:
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Been watching a lot of the George Zimmerman case. Last night I was flaberghasted when Erin Burnette of CNN referred to the word as a racial slur.

I'm sorry, but there is not a world where Cracka or Cracker could offend any white person. Right? I mean I'm pretty sure any of hear the word our minds do not jump to our skin colour but to delicious Saltine crackers. It's like calling someone Spaghetti.

Even honky... If I get called a honky the only thing my mind jumps is the old Jefferson's TV show.

Is there any white slur that has any bite at all? I mean I suppose "You impearalist swine whos anncestors kidnapped and enslaved my ancestors for years and then tried to pull that segration bullshit" but that'd be to hard to say in conversation.
You didn't know that Cracker/cracka was a racial slur? Also my ancestors where enslaved and sold by group's of my own race, slavery then and still now is a business that prevails. As I said before in another thread the Defense might have done a reversal. But yeah it is a racial slur that probably means shit to white people as a whole.
I mean I knew it was suppose to be a racial slur. And I know human trafficking still exist in this world, I was just talking specifically on black/white relations in the United States... Which I don't know about the world over, but the fact that at one time one could legally and openly own another human being in this country like cattle is fucked up.

I just don't feel the word carries any weight as an insult.
Is it because you think they're calling you a crispy topping holder served at parties? cause they're not.

They're calling you a filthy bigot asshole if they call you a cracker.. it goes back to being a cracker of whips.

It means "fuck you, your thoughts aren't worth anything because you're a filthy degenerate pig that takes pleasure in the pain and suffering of other human beings"

if you don't hear the word with any context, of course it falls flat
I actually didn't know the whip reference. Huh. Well I learned something today.

Is that legit common knowledge or am I just really that ignorant? o_O
 

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Gormech said:
Yes, the work Cracker or Cracka' is offensive if the person it's being directed at knows the meaning. It's a swapped version of using the N-word to refer to a black person.

And now, the origins of the term.

Way back in U.S. history, a lot of white people ran plantations (big farms) by having a lot of black people work as slaves for them. Usually, the plantation owner would survey the work by walking around the area with a whip and slinging it at any worker who seemed to be slacking or just at anyone they felt like beating at the time. This action is called cracking the whip on someone. The phrase was later shortened in slang to calling anyone who did this a Cracker.

In short, calling someone a cracker is the same as calling them a slave driver.
I'm wondering now how many black people today, if ever, use the word incorrectly to just mean all white people. Cause I think then, the only time I've ever heard it used in that context was that scene in Chasing Amy with Hooper X.

Kinda like how people incorrectly use the insult "Hack" in reference to artists they don't like when the definition of a Hack is someone whos lost passion for their art and just does it for the money.
 

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That's the thing about racial slurs against white people though, and the whole "it's racist that black people can call each other '******' but other races can't call black people that". White people enjoy a rather unique position which I believe Louis CK puts it best:
White people are not in any way shape or form in danger of experiencing the REAL problems of racism unless they troll through a ghetto at 3 in the morning after some black kid gets shot by a cop and acquitted. There's no worries about not being able to get a job because the interviewer thinks you're just going to steal everything. There's no fear that you're having a bunch of kids with different men just so you can collect a bigger welfare check. You don't have to worry about being wrongly profiled by the cops, maybe even being assaulted or shot for the slightest bit of error. There are clearly instances where white people have been the victims of racism, but, overall, it is the absolute whitest thing ever to believe that you've experienced true racism because you were called "cracker" or because you can't say a word.