Who do we blame for this?

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Elate

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Spot1990 said:
No one... These books are aimed at teenagers. They're allowed read shit. Giving out about teen fiction is like giving out about the lack of depth in The Hungriest Caterpillar.
Do not. Insult. The Hungriest. Caterpillar.

...Monster.

Anywhos, I still blame the authors, it's the fault the books read like crap, and they are the ones who accept the deals, so yeah.. still on the authors. Sure like most teenagers I wrote a few fanfics BACK IN THE DAY, but I didn't go and try and get them published, because I knew they were crap, I can judge the quality of my own work, these people obviously can't.
 

BeeGeenie

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Tsukuyomi said:
But who do you point the finger at for all this?
i heard twilight is written very good.
only the story doesnt make any fucking sense and bella is a self depiction of the author.

who do we blame? i do not know.
are we the ones to blame someone? hardly.
there are people who enjoy this guilty pleasure. and seriously, i think everyone has one.

so i just tell myself its just not my cup of tea and move along.

even if i sometimes is hard to do:



After a zombie becomes involved with the girlfriend of one of his victims, their romance sets in motion a sequence of events that might transform the entire lifeless world.
twilight with zombies instead of vampires. blame greed.
1. *well
2. Twilight with zombies? o_O Is this seriously a thing!? -_- Oh my *facepalm* I don't even...
 

FamoFunk

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I haven't read it or ever plan to. I never read or even watched Twilight either.

I feel safe in my little bubble.
 

manic_depressive13

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Yeah, what is this 50 Shades of Grey thing? I worked in a book shop for one day yesterday and about ten middle aged ladies ask about it, but we had already sold out. I didn't think anything of it until a middle aged man asked for it. My boss then exclaimed "What does he want with that book?" prompting me to ask what on earth all the fuss was about and thus learning it was creepy erotica. I'm kind of curious about it. I kind of want to read it just to find out how bad it really is, but at the same time I don't want to because it seems disturbing as hell.
 

Imthatguy

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chadachada123 said:
My grandma has about 30 variations of this kind of cover. Always the same thing, but with a different setting.

http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/Fabio%20cover.jpg

Edit: HTML is being dumb. I'll just post the link.
FABIO IST FABULOUS!!!!!!

This thread is now about how awesome this man is.
 

everythingbeeps

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I don't usually aim my rage at the authors. As has been said, they're just writing what they want. And usually they're published to little acclaim, and then the hype builds afterwards. Hell, 50 Shades was self-published on amazon and THEN became a hit.

And when you look at it that way, it's hard to even blame the publishers. Particularly in the case of 50 Shades...they already had a sure hit.

No, my problem is when publishers manufacture hype. I feel like that's what happened with Hunger Games. I saw that thing hyped all over the place before it became big; to me it was a case of the publisher telling us what we wanted to read.

I also have a problem with authors when they're Christopher Paolini and they think they're God's Gift to Shitty Fantasy Cliches.
 

Tsukuyomi

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Personally I'm not particularly raging at the authors. They'll write what they'll write. Publishers will publish what they think will make them money. As I said, it's not the fault of people who are involved. Stephanie Meyer genuinely thought she wrote something good and something that needed to be out there. Fine. That's her conviction and I can respect that. Doesn't mean I don't think what she wrote is horrid, but I respect her convictions.

I care because if, in the future, these novels are on some student's required reading list, it'll be my, our, fault for not ensuring that these pieces remain firmly in the gutter where they should be. If people want to read them, fine. But finely-crafted works of literature they ain't. (not that you can tell that from the hype.)

Personally I wanted to hear other people's opinions before I offer up one of my own. Speaking as the child of a teacher and having gone through public-education here in the U.S., I think a chunk of the blame can go on schools. More specifically English/Literature teachers and programs that essentially stuff books that are considered classics (whether they are or not is another discussion entirely) down hundreds of students' throats and in many cases to said students these things are boring, and have no relation to them in life as far as the student can see. Instead of teaching children to ENJOY reading, they're force-fed it. While the books themselves that I remember reading throughout middle-school and high-school were not bad per-se, and I appreciate them now that I'm an adult and I'm capable of reading them at my own pace and for my own enjoyment, I can see where and why there are so many people around me who say "I don't read.".

I think that part is where stuff like Twilight or Harry Potter got it's ravenous fans from. I can only imagine the amount of people who heard what those serieses were about and gave them a try and went "WOW! I didn't know books could be about stuff like THIS!"

It's not their fault. They are just discovering something that some of us have known for a long while: books can be about just about anything and they can be very entertaining and engaging when they are about something you like or are interested in or something you can relate to. They were not taught that, though. They were force-fed a progression of books that in some cases were difficult for them to make sense of or even read, TOLD what their opinions should be in that these are 'classic' titles and said titles are AWESOME despite whatever they think. All of that soured them on literature, only to be woken up now to the broader spectrum and, unfortunately, unable to tell trash from treasure.
 

m72_ar

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Colour-Scientist said:
Why is everyone so worked up about this book?

It's just a bit of erotica, it's not claiming to be Shakespeare. For a lot of women, erotica is almost as good as porn, some women even prefer it.

Also, I'd like to know how many people ranting and raving about it have actually read 50 Shades of Grey or the Twilight Saga.
I read it, it's incredibly boring.
For something that sell itself as an erotica there's nothing happening until 100+ pages. Then I give up reading it halfway.

You know what I'm reading instead? frickin The Quest when a 700+ pages book about the energy industry is more exciting than an erotica something have gone really wrong somewhere.

I knew I should've bought the 99c smut e-book on the kobo store instead of spending money on 50 shades
 

Eunjuay

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Who is to blame? The same people who follow Bat Boy, care which celebrity was hot but now is not, and who find Harvey Levin entertaining. Dribble pours out of every meduim we have...ex-except for the fine people at Escapist of course!
 

Jaythulhu

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I've read a few chapters, and it's far more than "erotica". It's outright textual porn. Poorly written, kinda disturbing as it goes on, textual porn, but porn nonetheless.

In fact, I've used the book to shame female friends who've tried to rip on me for watching porn movies. It's pretty damn handy in that regard, actually.
 

Daverson

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Well, you can only really blame yourself. If you spent more getting a good monitor, you'd be able to enjoy all 256 shades of grey like the rest of us. My favourite is #A0A0A0. *rimshot* [http://instantrimshot.com/]

(I only just noticed, "Rimshot" sounds like something really perverse. I can assure you it isn't though, if you've any reservations about clicking that link!)

On a more serious note, the people who buy it. Yeah, the author and distributor may have created it, but there's plenty of awful books out there that no one cares about. What people hate about these books isn't that they're a thing, it's the culture surrounding them. You can try and pass the buck, and blame their upbringing, but ultimately they've let themselves become what they are, and should be judged accordingly.

Alternatively, you could be a snob and blame the education system for teaching them to read in the first place. Maybe it was better when only people who actually cared about reading learned to read? Hell, it'd solve a lot of problems with the internet!