Who should play the Black Panther?
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I was only being semi serious to be honest.Still a bit of a double standard thoughzen5887 said:
Kate Mara, a White actress, has been casted for Invisible woman.Happyninja42 said:
They are gonna be siblings, that has been confirmed. We just don't know if its going to be because of a blended family or adoption. We do know that their father is Black. The actor is Reg. E. Cathey.
I had the same thought, which is actually part of why I was irritated that they used him for Heimdall... in combination with the fact that I think characters should look as close to their comic counterparts as possible.Happyninja42 said:
See, one of the big problems with ethnicity swapping is it generates short term hype, but then once you associate people with specific roles (especially if they become controversial) it ties your hands. There are decent numbers of black characters in comics who should receive a good actor at the helm, and right now they just wasted one of the top prospects for a leading role as a black super hero for some quick PC controversy.
Most of my ideal choices are sadly too old to play the role, or associated with other characters. He's too old now but I thought it would be kind of amusing to have Eddie Murphy play "straight" for once and take on the role of Black Panther, and make a sort of meta joke about his character from "Coming To America".
Of course then again, when push comes to shove I tend to mostly wind up thinking body builders and pro wrestlers are the best choices physically for most characters, but they are never selected. For example I honestly think "Triple H" looks pretty much like Thor IRL, Hemmsworth did the job well, but early on when it was speculative from a purely physical sense he pretty much was the character come to life.
For BP they might want to actually use an an unknown though, some black child actor that's growing up if they can find one or whatever. Not sold on his acting but maybe someone like Will Smith's son (as crazy as he can be). The reason why is that if they want to do an origin story here, an older guy being BP might be more kingly but it also wouldn't work for an origin where he's supposed to be taking this mantle as a young man, in his physical prime. See, I like Idris for an established Black Panther, but that would generally be if they just threw him out, fully developed, and acted like he was always there somewhere. However with the concepts involved where they have to introduce the concept of Wakanda, various supporting characters, etc... that might not work, unless they plan to do it retroactively through flash backs or whatever.
Of course after how they ruined The Mandarin (I know some people liked it, but I didn't, since he's such a classic bad guy) who knows what they are going to do with Black Panther. For all I know they will say there is no Black Panther and it's all a marketing gimmick for the Wakanda vibranium cartel, he'll show up in the background a few times and talk big, while the supporting characters do everything, then eventually the mask will come off and you'll find out it was Justin Bieber... playing himself as a cameo, Wakanda hired The Beeb to be the face of their company so they could sell vibranium jewelry to all the girls who think he's hot. He'll do a musical number, and then after the credits will be a pitch for his new CD. It will be every bit as much Black Panther as Ben Kingsley was The Mandarin.
Yes, yes I do.MarsAtlas said:
I disagree. You should know that the Wakandans sent their scholars to study abroad and bring back their accrued knowledge to cause Wakanda to become the most technologically advanced society. It's not unbelievable that they also brought back mates/progeny of other races.
Then, I would suggest you familiarize yourself with Wonder Woman, because Themiscyra was strictly isolationist, were as Wakanda was merely concealed.
Ah, sorry about that.Guffe said:Dude....
We're both taking the piss here
Just kidding you know, I know sarcasm is hard in written form (been fooled myself several times when there have been no "//sarcasm" in a text) but that was clear from me and Dooley, right? <.<'
But, in my defence there are a bunch of people in this thread who seem to be, at least semi seriously asking "Hey, why can't Black Panther be white?"
For example:
Sure, if there was an equal split between white comic book characters and minority comic book characters, swapping them around might be unnecessary. But, unsurprisingly, it isn't like that, there are like three black characters in the MCU (six if you include Agents Of Shield) and no black leads. Representation in media is a real thing and is pretty important and white dudes are already pretty well represented.MetalDooley said:
As a man who has a cardboard cutout of Idris Elba standing at the end of my bed watching me sleep with an interchangable variety of hats (currently a Green Bay Packers Snapback), I endorse your first suggestion.omega 616 said:Personally? Idris Elba ... as a straight guy, he is a sexy dude! Plus I'll assume he has to look meanacing, while stoical and intelligent ... kind of like thisout of context, that hat is silly!
Handful of years ago, I would have said Michael Clarke Duncan ... Never said this about a celeb before but RIP! That dude was imposing and built like a brick shit house!
Speaking of Michaels, Michael Jai White. Muscular, athletic, good looking ... he is agreatgood...decentactually kind of bad actor though. He is just wooden, like Kristen Stuart and Keanu Reeves had a kid ... can kick ass like an octopus in an ass kicking contest though!
Captcha: Grumpy cat ... well, he is a cat, just not very black ... or a good actor, you'd also have to teach a cat to talk.
mecegirl said:Kate Mara, a White actress, has been casted for Invisible woman.Happyninja42 said:
They are gonna be siblings, that has been confirmed. We just don't know if its going to be because of a blended family or adoption. We do know that their father is Black. The actor is Reg. E. Cathey.
Hmm, interesting. Maybe they'll have different mothers, to account for the significant skin tone difference.
I may have phrased that wrong.Let me make myself absolutely clear.I have no desire to see Black Panther played by a white dude.However I firmly believe that if you are adapting an existing work then you should stick as close to the source material as possible.That means Black Panther is black,Johnny Storm is a blond white guy,Judge Dredds face is never revealed,Arwen is a very minor character in LOTR etc.I would like to see more minority and female characters but I don't believe that just gender/colour swapping existing characters is the way to do that.And frankly I find it a bit annoying that colour swapping a well established white character is considered fine yet doing the same to a black character is horrible and racistzen5887 said:
Djimon Honsou? Since we're talking about the leader of an african kingdom, might as well pick an african actor.
Damian Wayne, of the Wayne's bros.
Nah, I honestly don't know; anyone on the list of "Who should play black James Bond" except Will Smith might work to be honest.
BRUTAL HONESTY THOUGH: Marvel kinda messed up when they casted Idris as Hoenheim. Not that he didn't rock that role; no, no, he BRUTALIZED, Hohenheim was Persepolis and Idris Elba was Alexander the Great (Go do some research, lordie knows you needz them edumcationifying).
Thing is though, in light of everything happening in Thor, Hohenheim played kind of a minor role to the grand scheme of things, and Idris is pretty serious lead material. He would have been great as Black Panther; I'm pretty sure at the meeting for setting up this movie, someone did say "let's get Idris for Black Panther!" forgetting he was already Hohenheim.
Nah, I honestly don't know; anyone on the list of "Who should play black James Bond" except Will Smith might work to be honest.
BRUTAL HONESTY THOUGH: Marvel kinda messed up when they casted Idris as Hoenheim. Not that he didn't rock that role; no, no, he BRUTALIZED, Hohenheim was Persepolis and Idris Elba was Alexander the Great (Go do some research, lordie knows you needz them edumcationifying).
Thing is though, in light of everything happening in Thor, Hohenheim played kind of a minor role to the grand scheme of things, and Idris is pretty serious lead material. He would have been great as Black Panther; I'm pretty sure at the meeting for setting up this movie, someone did say "let's get Idris for Black Panther!" forgetting he was already Hohenheim.
Don't be ridiculous. That would put Mister Fantastic in an interracial relationship. And if people can't handle a black Kingpin or Heimdall, they'll explode at Reed banging a black chick!Happyninja42 said:
Joking aside, I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of their rationale, albeit dialed up about thirty notches.
Honestly, though, it's fine with me if they never bother to "explain" it. The notion that siblings of different skin tones need more explanation than a guy who can light himself on fire and fly around is just strange to me.
And it almost certainly won't be the worst part of the movie.
He already played a role (one of the bad guy's flunkies) in Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't think Marvel would recast the same actor in a different role.MrCalavera said:
But that was a different movie studio. Fantastic Four is owned by Fox, Captain America & Avengers by Marvel. Marvel has never recast an actor in a different role, unless you're counting Stan's cameos or some sort of bit part/ extra work I'm not aware of.Lyiat said:
Retarded huh?Funny then that I'm not the one who apparently couldn't read the rest of the thread before jumping to conclusions.You know the rest of the thread where I clearly explained that I have no interest or desire in seeing a white Black Panther.I was merely pointing out the double standard that exists regarding colour/gender swapping existing charactersSheen Lantern said:
But apparently pointing out a double standard or caring about sticking to the source material makes me racist or retarded.Good to know for the future