Who Would Pirate the One-Cent Humble Indie Bundle?

Malediozone

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If I would, I could. Only problem is that I only use my credit card for die hard emergencies. Way too many people have been screwed over by those.
 

Hawgh

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It's the principle of lying, stealing and cheating because you like doing it.

I would like to offer the theory that the potentially nearly nonexistent price doesn't help with the piracy issue. I could imagine someone who hasn't memorised their card info thinking "Where the hell's my wallet? Ah, they won't miss a penny anyway" *raises the jolly roger*.
 

Danpascooch

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John Funk said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
Actually, this friend of mine is a pirate, he thinks these guys are doing a great thing and deserve recognition.

This friend of mine is going to make a donation of $10 to the site, that should make up for about 10,000 of the pirated copies.

He also thinks that it's horrible that these people are not only pirating a game with no intrusive DRM that is so reasonably priced that it nearly physically hurts, but are using the sites own bandwidth to do it. What a bunch of pricks. But he wants everyone to know that those flimsy pretenses are real reasons, and it's wrong to blanket judge a group of people for the actions of a few.

Mind you, this is just a friend of mine.
 

Uncreation

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... uhm, people without a credit card, i guess (like others have already said). I for one don't have one. But this is the first time i've heard of this indie bundle thing, and i'm not really interested. So i won't pirate it anyway.

Also, this:

Sgt. Sykes said:
Not everyone has to know about this deal. It's not like people who usually pirate wander around looking for deals. I guess most people would pay a dollar or two, if they knew about this deal, but some just don't know about it. They just find a bunch of games on a sharing site, so they download it.
 

Kurokami

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John Funk said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.
 

Snarky Username

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So a quarter of the people who get this game go out of their way to be a dick...

This is why we can't have nice things.
 

thiosk

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I hazard that its about laziness and convenience. Why go to another website when you already have the torrent site loaded on the screen, queuing up everything you need?
 

Danpascooch

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John Funk said:
Asehujiko said:
John Funk said:
So... get a friend to do it, and pay them back?
Perhaps that's exactly what they did? Seeing as how Rosen listed that as one of the reasons for the numbers being as they are?

You seem to be completely fixated on the assumption that every missing sale is a pirate laughing at them behind his/her keyboard and not any of the multiple other causes mentioned.
I see where you're coming from but that's not what I meant, really.

I'm perfectly aware that there are people who aren't exactly "pirates" getting this game for free. But you're horribly naive if you don't think that of those 25% unpaid downloads, a good number of them ARE pirates.
How does one pirate directly from the site anyway? I am not asking methodology or how to do it, so don't flip a s--t people, all I'm saying is that I always thought it worked something like this:

1.) A guy downloads it or rips from disc
2.) Guy posts it online with a torrent file
3.) People get access to the file and download it using the torrent file

How do pirates manage to actually download it from the developers site without paying for it instead of filesharing amongst eachother?

I find it very hard to believe that anyone would attempt the ridiculously hard (if not impossible) task of trying to hack the site in order to save a penny.
 

Weaver

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How do you know they knew they could get the bundle cheap? Maybe they just frequent game forums or torrent sites and just see a post that you can get all these games easy and free, without even knowing you could have got them easy and cheap?
 

Danpascooch

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Kurokami said:
John Funk said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.
If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.
 

John Funk

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Kurokami said:
John Funk said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.
Yes, a team of dozens of people makes something their life work for two years with the aim of delivering a disappointing project. They're going out of their way to make a mediocre game. They don't want to make a good game, no, not at all.

Do you have any idea how absolutely asinine that sounds? Pirating is never justified, whether it's God of War 3 or goddamn Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing. If you don't pay for something you should not get to play it.
 

Weaver

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danpascooch said:
John Funk said:
Asehujiko said:
John Funk said:
So... get a friend to do it, and pay them back?
Perhaps that's exactly what they did? Seeing as how Rosen listed that as one of the reasons for the numbers being as they are?

You seem to be completely fixated on the assumption that every missing sale is a pirate laughing at them behind his/her keyboard and not any of the multiple other causes mentioned.
I see where you're coming from but that's not what I meant, really.

I'm perfectly aware that there are people who aren't exactly "pirates" getting this game for free. But you're horribly naive if you don't think that of those 25% unpaid downloads, a good number of them ARE pirates.
How does one pirate directly from the site anyway? I am not asking methodology or how to do it, so don't flip a s--t people, all I'm saying is that I always thought it worked something like this:

1.) A guy downloads it or rips from disc
2.) Guy posts it online with a torrent file
3.) People get access to the file and download it using the torrent file

How do pirates manage to actually download it from the developers site without paying for it instead of filesharing amongst eachother?

I find it very hard to believe that anyone would attempt the ridiculously hard (if not impossible) task of trying to hack the site in order to save a penny.
When you order it they just give you a link to the download page (which is associated with a key). However, you could share that link with anyone and they would easily be able to download the games.
 

Pilkingtube

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I.. don't understand, is the UK the only country with Debit Cards? Seriously?
When I was 16 I asked for a Debit Card from my bank and got my Visa card in 2 days, works exactly the same as a credit card, but without the middle man.. also, you can link your bank account directly to paypal if you're under 16 I think, so there really isn't any excuse to pirate this unless.. you know.. you're a bastard coated bastard with bastard filling.
 

Danpascooch

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John Funk said:
Kurokami said:
John Funk said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.
Yes, a team of dozens of people makes something their life work for two years with the aim of delivering a disappointing project. They're going out of their way to make a mediocre game. They don't want to make a good game, no, not at all.

Do you have any idea how absolutely asinine that sounds? Pirating is never justified, whether it's God of War 3 or goddamn Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing. If you don't pay for something you should not get to play it.
I don't take the position that there are no reasons for anyone to ever pirate, but this viewpoint of game developers being a bunch of rich bastards who will milk you for whatever you worth while giving you nothing in return is just wrong, and it bothers me that that opinion seems to be growing in popularity.
 

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John Funk said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
Or people who want to try it before they buy it. Or people who already own the games. X pirated copies does not translate to X lost sales, the courts have even recognized that.

I thought about doing the .01 thing (which is actually a net loss after the Paypal fee), but decided to do $5 when I noticed the EFF was on the list of charities.
 

Chamale

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I hate spending money online more than I hate to spend money. $.01 for an online purchase may as well be $20 at a store, because I don't have a credit or debit card and don't have a Paypal account. If I did get this bundle, I would certainly get it for $0.00, and I would feel justified since the creators make virtually the same as if I had given them one cent.
 

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danpascooch said:
Kurokami said:
John Funk said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.
If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.
You've never expected anything from a game that didn't come even close to deliver? Spore? Borderlands? I wish I hadn't paid for the empty promises, I did though.

I think downloading games is fine so long as you pay for those who earn it, in a perfect world that is. It won't happen in reality.