I expect royalties from this 'fan club'.Dr Snakeman said:
I won't put my face on a t-shirt for less than 75 percent.
Why are Americans so Patriotic?
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I won't put my face on a t-shirt for less than 75 percent.
Hardly. Some of the Republican presidential candidates believe Lincoln should have let the Confederacy secede.zehydra said:
Look guys (and girls), I live in a country that is (politically) about 18 years old. Historically, we've been around from 7th century. We are still recovering from the last war and genocides in Europe. (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia )
And I can't understand the point of *any* patriotism. It was patriotism that started most (if not all) wars in the human history. Because of Serbian and ours (Croatian) patriotism I was forced to grow up in a country that was (and still paritally is) based on coruption and hegemony. I just can't see the point of it.
And I've been to America during this summer and while (like previous posts have pointed out), most Americans just don't bother with it, the things we see (patriotism and such) as outsiders portray US as a very different nation than it actually is.
And I can't understand the point of *any* patriotism. It was patriotism that started most (if not all) wars in the human history. Because of Serbian and ours (Croatian) patriotism I was forced to grow up in a country that was (and still paritally is) based on coruption and hegemony. I just can't see the point of it.
And I've been to America during this summer and while (like previous posts have pointed out), most Americans just don't bother with it, the things we see (patriotism and such) as outsiders portray US as a very different nation than it actually is.
one of those old propaganda PSA oddly enoughtrollnystan said:
sorry cant find it for you as the name escapes me and youtube side links are not helping
I pointed out that I didn't mean everybody and that I was generalizing. Also, I'm glad that you think your right, I guess somebody has to.Matthew94 said:
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Relax, I think Volf is just backtracking, he knows he's lost the arguement and is probably trying to declare most of his posts as ''miscommunications'' before someone reports him for having next to no clue about what he's talking about (at least I LIVE in Northern Ireland and so have some say in the conversation)Matthew94 said:
Because we're fed crap about how our country is God's greatest gift to mankind from the age of two. We get patriotism shoved down our throat before we're able to make our own decisions. That's why we're so patriotic. Because we're told to be.
And that's also a huge reason why all countries are patriotic. Because they're told to be from a young age. We just get told sooner and more vigorously than most.
And that's also a huge reason why all countries are patriotic. Because they're told to be from a young age. We just get told sooner and more vigorously than most.
Britain is more patriotic, according to surveys.
Citizens of superpowers and former superpowers have a lot of pride. Does this really need a topic?
The notion that patriotism is love of your country and nationalism is aggressive jingoism or supremacism is flat-out wrong. It's using the current connotations of words rather than the actual definitions.
Patriotism can't exist without nationalism. Nationalism is the belief that your national group is unique and ought to have its own independent state. Patriotism is a just a nice way of describing nationalistic feeling in a country that already exists.
So yeah, I'm a nationalist. I think Americans are a specific group of people that are distinct from other people, and I think they should continue to inhabit a state with the borders that currently exist.
Citizens of superpowers and former superpowers have a lot of pride. Does this really need a topic?
This annoys me. I don't disagree with your sentiment, but you aren't actually using the meanings of the words.MelasZepheos said:
The notion that patriotism is love of your country and nationalism is aggressive jingoism or supremacism is flat-out wrong. It's using the current connotations of words rather than the actual definitions.
Patriotism can't exist without nationalism. Nationalism is the belief that your national group is unique and ought to have its own independent state. Patriotism is a just a nice way of describing nationalistic feeling in a country that already exists.
So yeah, I'm a nationalist. I think Americans are a specific group of people that are distinct from other people, and I think they should continue to inhabit a state with the borders that currently exist.
I know that my friend who moved to Texas says he has to sing the National Anthem every morning at high school. I find it amazing that...that many people can care so much for their country. It is a true and noble trait that can bring the whole nation together. Unfortunately, there are many obstacles in the way that stop it from doing that, but maybe someday it will pay off even more. Right now, loyalty to the United States of America can actually negatively impact you because of the partial corruption in the government. What a shame.
They're not any more patriotic than say, England, or other Western countries. The only difference is that Americans have much more to brag about. But I will say this: there are more people in America who vehemently condemn their nation than in almost any other country - I don't really know what its like in China.
That...that may have been the funniest thing I have ever read. You win the internet for the day. I'll win it back in no time but seriously, bravo.Daystar Clarion said:
Americans in particular have some terrible self-esteem issues, which is probably why we segregate ourselves into groupings so religiously. We want to be a part of something grater then ourselves, something grater then YOU. It's the only way we feel whole.
I've lived in America all my life and I haven't really met anyone who fits that stereotype, sure some would be proud of their country but they would admit it's not perfect. That's what pisses me off about these posters saying these stereotypes and in turn making themselves hyprocites so often. It baffles me how they think they're "smart" when they try to diss America the way they do.interspark said:
No. The pledge isn't really cared about at all, most people get away with not doing it at all and it's just a remnant of the Cold War. It's not that big of a deal at all and holds about as much weight on the minds of Americans as some tree in America, sure it's there but it's not a big deal or anything that determines anything.MelasZepheos said:
No in fact it's not different then what most nations do.MelasZepheos said:
That's the same with all textbooks across all nations. I laugh when British people rave about how they bombed Berlin and probably have never heard of a B-17 or whatever during WWII, when in actuality they took the night missions and America took the day missions as British bombers were less able to protect themselves. A better example would be how the Spanish armada isn't taught in Spain, or how the Armenian genocides is downplayed in Turkey, or how Japanese war crimes aren't taught in Japan etc.MelasZepheos said:
Keep in mind this is the normal courses, if they were to take advanced placement classes even the US history one would talk as bad as it was in reality. For example I was under the impression when growing up that the North (in context of the Civil War) was black friendly and racist free, that they hated slavery, but as a matter of fact up until the late 1850's most didn't mind slavery, it wasn't that big of a deal to them, sure it wasn't a good thing but it was fine that some had slavery. I was shocked that there were many race riots and that blacks were discriminated against too often (by the average European standard of course) not just that but how many countries banned slavery after America and soon before, like how Spain did it in the 1840's and even then Cuba didn't do it until the 1880's even though being ruled by Spain. Nevermind the fact that Brazil still hasn't found all of the slaves it was supposed to free like 100 years ago. On top of this I found out slavery wasn't necessarily as widespread and bad as I had been taught before, sure there was mistreatment but those were rare and most slave owners (most owning around 2-6) weren't even as harsh as the laws of their state would ask them to be. On top of that slaves lived in generally more healthy environments than the factory workers in the North.
Well its all caused by a thing known as the era of good feeling. After the war of 1812 Americans were feeling good about themselves after having beat the most powerful country in the world twice (though let's face it we barely won 1812) and a sense of patriotism emerged. I guess we just never let it go. But cmon it is like the ultimate Rocky story. Small undertakers defeats champion and all that.